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02-15-2016 , 11:55 AM
well for how many years we have PSKOs in the schedule? still bounty values nowhere to be found in the HH, I'm sure it's hard to implement, I understand.
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02-15-2016 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
I'd want to sum up your post Luke by 'meh' but nevertheless thanks for answering. I wonder if Pokerstars connects drops in participation with smaller gtds, lesser VIP rewards, worse promotions (randomized ****, optins, penny promos) and overall fewer incentives to play. I think they don't, you can always blame the market.

Not sure how are you going to explain then that majority of us is playing a lot of other sites because of how bad stars offering is compared to the past. Somehow other sites seem to be able to take risks when pushing gtds and they manage to maintain their tournaments at much higher levels than Stars does for some. Just look at 888, party and stars.fr (yeah, this one baffles me the most). Why your strategy is so much different and why it seems like every other site is slowly growing and stars in decline? Pokerstars.fr overall did take noticeable hit in traffic recently as well, but you can clearly see they're trying hard to stay exciting.
yeah, it's very easy to say numbers are declining etc but you have been doing nothing to give/keep the incentive to log in and play.
You 've actually been going the other way around with all the vip level changes, etc.
Last year we've only had the COOPs going and some one day golden sng/milestone hands in december with the rest being really meh or just plain sh*tty "complete this challenge and get a ticket to a 10K shootout with 10K players in and maybe you'll get $1" woohooo!

Other years you've had golden sngs, milestone hands or the carnival running for weeks, you had double vision sundays, wcoop week etc etc (all such great promos btw) of course the traffic will be low and certainly much lower without any of these promos for such a long time now.

cheers

ps. really like the sunday mini additions #ackowledgingthegoodstuff
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02-15-2016 , 12:02 PM
Phase 1 will die out if you raise the buy in because recs will fire less shots at it and it will end up like ftp, with phase 2 just being mostly regs.
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02-15-2016 , 12:07 PM
Did you ever have re-entries in any of the SM anniversary events ?? so why this time ? Don't you guys believe in yourself anymore ??

can we expect a 5x Rentry next year since it's going to be 11M ???

I'd prefer lowering the guarantee rather than a re-entry....or even double the starting stack and adding another hour of late reg or something else...... but no reentries pls in the SM...
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02-15-2016 , 12:08 PM
Biggest problem with phase tournaments is the final Sunday phase 1s are soooo much more +EV than the earlier phases that it's a huge disincentive to play the early ones. Ideally all phase 1s would have close to the same size fields and average skill levels, but that's just never happening unless the phase 1s are restricted or capped, which in turn seems a terrible idea.

I'd be surprised if raising the buyin from $11 led to an increase in participation if the format remains the same, but I've no more positive suggestions to offer tbh. I think phased tournaments are great fun but they probably belong in the occasional / special category rather than as part of the regular everyday schedule.
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02-15-2016 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
I'd want to sum up your post Luke by 'meh' but nevertheless thanks for answering. I wonder if Pokerstars connects drops in participation with smaller gtds, lesser VIP rewards, worse promotions (randomized ****, optins, penny promos) and overall fewer incentives to play. I think they don't, you can always blame the market.

Not sure how are you going to explain then that majority of us is playing a lot of other sites because of how bad stars offering is compared to the past. Somehow other sites seem to be able to take risks when pushing gtds and they manage to maintain their tournaments at much higher levels than Stars does for some. Just look at 888, party and stars.fr (yeah, this one baffles me the most). Why your strategy is so much different and why it seems like every other site is slowly growing and stars in decline? Pokerstars.fr overall did take noticeable hit in traffic recently as well, but you can clearly see they're trying hard to stay exciting.

edit: most important point you're missing that you talk about how 3x reentry strategy is not much different from 1x and 3x is clearly better than 1x and ensures the gtd. In other posts by Pokerstars reps it seems you guys acknowledge that majority of your players is micro/lowstake and not playing much. I'm myself around $25-$30 ABI in the past year I am playing most special freezeout $215s throughout thee year, however if it's a reentry or anything else I will most likely skip it, even if it's 2mln gtd. My problem is that it maybe a problem of many and therefore a lot of players that would pull the trigger and play SM anyway they'll decide to skip it worrying that they won't be able to reentry if they bust and stronger players will have that advantage.
disagree.
Party is pushing and they pay bigtimes for the good gtd. Stars.fr is broke like all other french sites (except sundays ). 888 seems good but that's it. Why would Stars push all the gtd. when they are not reaching the gtd all the time and have to pay the overlay themselves, makes no sense from a business perspective.

@million: obv would like to see the 10M a 1x reentry then a 3x reentry but 50k players are playing it, how many regs are buying in for fkn 3 times? I would guess its not that much, so its whatever, if they think they getting a huge overlay let people play it 3 times and whoever wants can play it 1 times. To not play it, because other players can reenter makes no sense at all. Your first Buyin has an EV, which will be slightly lower for a 3x then a 1x, when 50k players are playing, the EV is almost the same. So every next bullet has a lower EV, but for regs its anyway massive +EV to fire more bullets. So let them make it 3x for this one time. I actually think its great for all regs to have it 3x in this specific MTT (with 50k runner, would be diff in a random Milli).

@:Schedule: I think the schedule is improving, BB where a good thing, now they need to bring some more of those gimmic games and change the structures (Bigs & Hots). At least i feel its ridic soft right now, so i do not think that the lesser VIP-Rewards have any negative impact on MTTs (obv diff to SNGs and CG).


@Phase: I would like to see the Phase being a 22$, or a 16,5$.

#bringSundayMiniRebuyWarumup....
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02-15-2016 , 12:14 PM
so, since a lot of gtd's suffer from times to times, why bother lowering them and not just make everything a re-entry? bigs/hots/storm/kickoff you name it.
i mean, why not?
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02-15-2016 , 12:46 PM
i agree that changing the $11 phase to $22 or $33 is the way to go.
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02-15-2016 , 12:59 PM
about phase, i never play it midweek cause i don't know if i'm playing on sunday, so i uncheck phase at the filter and sometimes end up missing it because of this.
also, with the last phase 1 late registration ending at 10:45 ET i sometimes miss it cause i haven't logged in yet.

imo it will die out if you raise it too much
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02-15-2016 , 01:05 PM
$22 for phase 1 can be ok, but higher wont work i think. also i wouldnt suggest to change it because you will cut off one of the few mtts from micro/low players where they can win 10k+

#bringbackmicromillions
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02-15-2016 , 01:39 PM
Luke,

I based my statement on what is realistically possible. 50k players is possible but not if Pokerstars wants to increase margins in satellites compared to prior years.

Right now there are no satellites in the lobby except 1 dollar 4x shootouts. That isn't going to cut it.
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02-15-2016 , 01:42 PM
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Biggest problem with phase tournaments is the final Sunday phase 1s are soooo much more +EV than the earlier phases that it's a huge disincentive to play the early ones. Ideally all phase 1s would have close to the same size fields and average skill levels, but that's just never happening unless the phase 1s are restricted or capped, which in turn seems a terrible idea.

I'd be surprised if raising the buyin from $11 led to an increase in participation if the format remains the same, but I've no more positive suggestions to offer tbh. I think phased tournaments are great fun but they probably belong in the occasional / special category rather than as part of the regular everyday schedule.
This is true for higher buyins but the 11$ are stupid soft 100% of the time in my experience. I would personally like the buyin to be higher, but I doubt anything above 22$ would work on a weekly basis.
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02-15-2016 , 04:25 PM
+1 for MTT end times.
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02-15-2016 , 05:47 PM
phase mtt higher than 22$ would not work imo

i like the idea of adding a hyper phase last chance and adding some on early sundays and maybe saturdays
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02-15-2016 , 06:02 PM
Just make the phase a $22 trny.
Add mini weekender on Saturday for $82. (No garuntee needed even first time just a nice color will do.
Weekly 1K you said you were open to it. Remove s500 ( or keep??) add weekly 1K 2 hours before s500 starts. Put 3 deadline pink satties to it and watch it boom.

Please please please, yes mini declined some but the demand is there. Please just give the other minis.
Seriously people complain about start garuntee but start them low and build them.



Storm gets overlay because 30K 10% of them r too dumb to realize how good storm is too play. . Make it 1x rentry the day Sunday is 3x reentry and see it boom.

Mini weekender on Saturday. $82 is perfect
Mini rebuy is must. The same trny ran later 11r Sunday edition and gets half the people of Sunday mini rebuy did.
Mini warmup is obv free $ and take
Mini thrill 109$
Mini Tuesday 109$.


People just want to be a part of something and play anything in big colors.
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02-15-2016 , 06:07 PM
as a midstakes regular, i'll only be re-entering once in the millie (if it's before bb300 or w/e), and i think this applies to the vast majority really

shot takers and recs really have a big disadvantage compared to the regs who don't care
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02-15-2016 , 06:17 PM
the fact that mini mily got 20% or so more entrants than the bigger 22 speaks volumes

55$-82$ mini weekender sounds awesome

mini warmup herpaderp

mini rebuy herpaderp

mini thrill/st is whatever as we have the 109 bounty builder BUT rename them on thursdays and tuesdays. think mini milly has proven the effect of rebrandings coupled with purple new timbey tags

run KO week before march is over please

makes s500 a 1k is fine by me but also replace the 55 2x nonsense timbey with sth that makes sense

55 hyper needs to be 6max ffs

Spoiler:
pretty please
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02-15-2016 , 08:20 PM
Think increasing the buyin in 11 phase MTT would be a big mistake. The MTT is great as it is, gets tons of participation from regs and recs alike.

Why can't we get a couple of daily red hyper MTTs? Feel like people really enjoy hyper MTTs and it's strange to me the only red hyper is the supersonic.
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02-15-2016 , 08:53 PM
+1 to weekly 1k on sunday...or as once a month option if comes with huge gtd. would prefer to keep sunday 500 and add the 1k...or how about a sunday 700 turbo? if you must, then i would rather you change sunday 500 to sunday 1k then not do anything. thanks.
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02-16-2016 , 12:12 AM
If full tilt merge will be very interesting..
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02-16-2016 , 01:12 AM
wat
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02-16-2016 , 01:45 AM
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wat
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02-16-2016 , 09:05 AM
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If full tilt merge will be very interesting..
tbh I don't think it will have any impact on Stars. The site just doesn't have enough players that don't already have a Stars account.
If they were to sell the software then that would be great for online poker.
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02-16-2016 , 09:12 AM
Great for online poker, bad for Stars. They have a asset that could be sold for a big price, but would it hurt them to much to see to rivals?
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