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07-11-2016 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by twiyPRO
lol... ironic mode on? hehehe

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But think about this:

Something like "Thursday Fifty/Fifty" or "Sunday 50/50 Storm". I'm not talking about "Big Fifty/Fifty $215". U know?

Just one or two major tournaments with this type of game.
It's enough. And nice at the same time.

I bet a lot of regular players and also professionals would play in this tournament.

And tons of recreational players too.
go away heathen
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07-11-2016 , 02:20 PM
Thanks a lot for considering scheduled steps tourneys, Luke.

Several evenings last week there were no step 1's even registering. Seems to have dipped.

I'm confident these will work.

They already work pretty well on party and 888 with their own equivalents.
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07-11-2016 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by mashxx
go away heathen
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07-11-2016 , 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Danshiel350
Thanks a lot for considering scheduled steps tourneys, Luke.

Several evenings last week there were no step 1's even registering. Seems to have dipped.

I'm confident these will work.

They already work pretty well on party and 888 with their own equivalents.
these would be great
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07-11-2016 , 05:20 PM
Well, I busted 103rd out of over 5100 in the Sunday Jumbo Shrimp. over 800x buy-in for 1st. My payout....5x buy-in. I beat over 97% of the field and that is my reward?! My first thought "I should have been doing house work. What a waste of time".
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07-11-2016 , 05:39 PM
Luke,

Please, please reduce the late reg times. I stopped playing the deepstacks and they are my favorite format. The problem is the last 30min or so you get a bunch of people late reging (and re-entering) and gambling it up. It plays like a frenzy rebuy and ruins the tournament.

Can we please drop back to 1 hour? There is still plenty of play at that point.

I believe I've mentioned this at least 2 times in this thread, but if you could factor in the stack depth when determining late reg duration it will help protect the integrity of the play. No one should ever be able to sit down with under 30BB. Some tournaments let you sit down with under 10BB!
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07-11-2016 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
This implies that the early stages are too deep in the non-branded tournaments. Anyone else feel the same? I don't want to arbitrarily reduce late registration unless the consensus is that the early stages are too deep or somehow late registration runs too long and the bubble is reached.
I wouldn't describe my own feelings as the early stages being too deep, but I do feel as if the early stages move WAY too slowly (which could be due to the structure starting too deep). With a 3k starting stack I felt like the 10/20 level was a waste of time with pots being too small to care about. I also feel that the BB progressing at 20 > 30 > 40 > 50 > 60 > 80 over the first hour is too slow. I would cut out the 10/20, and maybe the 25/50 level.

Part of my dislike for the long late-registration period stems from the amount of time it takes to reach the bubble. I do not like playing for 2.5 - 3 hours, especially in a micro tournament, with nothing to show for it. I know this is more related to structure than late registration. However, there have been comments on this forum before about the blinds being too high at the end of the registration period which made registering near the end of the available time not worth it. As a result, structure changes were made to increase the depth of the starting stack at the end of late-reg, resulting in a slower structure.

If the late registration period was shortened it would allow for slightly faster structures early on, allowing the bubble to be reached sooner. To keep overall tournament lengths the same, the mid-game structure could be lengthened, as it already goes way to quickly at this stage. Any levels that may get removed from the early stage could be added to the middle stage of the tournament.

Edit to say that I feel as if this applies to all (regular and slow speed) tournaments, not just the ones that are not branded.

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
Thanks for taking the time. I've written down the 19:00-21:30 time frame to take a look at. I'm not sure the red tournament schedule will be shuffled right now, but I'm happy to fill in some gaps. There is also the possibility of a new major or two around 21:00 using the new functionality, but no promises and no timeline there.
If you don't foresee the times of the red tournaments changing, what about adding the possible new major at 20:00 or 20:30 in an attempt to more evenly space the special tournaments throughout the evening?

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
Just wanted to chime in and say that the 45 minute Timebomb tournaments are far, far less popular than the shorter versions, even after adding a small amount of late registration. So while I haven't investigated any data, I think Timebomb tournaments appeal to a different subset of players. Going on that assumption, it is unlikely they'll be adjusted to appeal to this forum's preference.
There are 45 minute versions? Do these have crazy fast structures, or are they similar to the slower, 60 minute games that used to exist? (I suppose I could look these up myself )

I enjoyed the longer, slower timebombs because even if I wanted to play a slightly longer session, it was nice knowing exactly when the tournament would end and I would be free to move on to other things.
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07-11-2016 , 06:05 PM
10k for the 1st in the 1MM freeroll? why don't you guys put a flat payout, so no one is going to whidraw the 10$ and you guys can rake it all back

if you guys going to be a complete fk.in..g tool, do it right at least
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07-11-2016 , 06:09 PM
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Well, I busted 103rd out of over 5100 in the Sunday Jumbo Shrimp. over 800x buy-in for 1st. My payout....5x buy-in. I beat over 97% of the field and that is my reward?! My first thought "I should have been doing house work. What a waste of time".
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07-11-2016 , 09:31 PM
Thanks a lot Luke! Another suggestion, don't know how practical it would be, but some more turbo satties to Hots. Most if not all are hypers.
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07-12-2016 , 05:29 AM
Luke,

Would you consider adding a pl5co8 komania to the schedule on sunday? Sunday o8 schedule really needs to be more special than how it is atm with the one and only nlo8 komania being not a daily mtt.
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07-12-2016 , 06:33 AM
Luke, please have a look at the Big 33 structure(the late one with fewer players).
Doesn`t help too much those 15 min blinds levels at FT if we played till there only 10 min levels.
When we where like 40 players left we were just at Level 26 and 12 min blinds starts only at Level 36.
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07-12-2016 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by matteo85h
Luke,

Would you consider adding a pl5co8 komania to the schedule on sunday? Sunday o8 schedule really needs to be more special than how it is atm with the one and only nlo8 komania being not a daily mtt.
Also with spreading the komanias to different bi levels(7.5-27-82 or 27-82-320) you could really make the omaha/omaha8 weekend offering special and worth to play.
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07-12-2016 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rafe
Well, I busted 103rd out of over 5100 in the Sunday Jumbo Shrimp. over 800x buy-in for 1st. My payout....5x buy-in. I beat over 97% of the field and that is my reward?! My first thought "I should have been doing house work. What a waste of time".
I busted ~140th in the mill last week and 1st was 180k and I got a measly 800 bucks. Please ship the monies. Kthxbye!
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07-12-2016 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Danshiel350
Yeah, Sunday Million as a 2 dayer might be unrealistic but i love the idea of a 2 day event on a Sunday aimed at those with a job.

Maybe have one for the Euro people and one for the Canada/ROW timezones.

$82 $109, or 215

Also, as has been mentioned, another solution is to introduce more phase tournaments.

I realise that you dont wanna clog the lobby but having one for Medium and High woulcnt be too cluttered imo. $27 gets my vote for selfish reasons.
I've enjoyed those phase tournaments although I'd imagine those type of tournaments redistribute a higher % of money overall to winning regular poker players which isn't in PokerStar's best interest.

Why not have some sort of tournament that instead of phases of which a player account can continually re-enter, limit it to one entry per account but have Day 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, etc or even set it at consecutive days at a specific time slot but have it filter into a final day set at a specific time and date. Basically phase tourneys without the re-entry part for players that bust out of any single phase.

You could even do this with a big Sunday Tournament where the first three Sundays of the month you set Day 1, 2, 3 all culminating to reach the last Sunday of the month final day which would have a larger and more impressive prize pool for that event.

In addition to this why don't you consider making some 2 day tourneys but rather than have then run across consecutive days why not have Day 1 on say Sunday and then have the Day 2 be picked up and played on the following Sunday. This would work for some players that work but get off a specific day more often and are interested in this type of better structured formatted MTT yet do not want to dedicate 10+ hours a day to playing it.
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07-12-2016 , 06:21 PM
I want to play normal speed, freezout mtts and sng 180 payers with some abi like at the moment around 2$, so i play all normal speed nlhe 6-9max mtts from 1-5$ and sng 1$ 180 player. I start to reg around 7pm CET up to 2am CET and cant get more then 12-14 tables at the time. During that time around 12-14 4.5$ 180 players sng are played so when i add them i cant have more then 14-15 tables. I want to play more tables but i dont want to play bounty builders, ko, turbo of all kind or 90 players sng. So what ps can do for players like me? - to add (imo its good idea to replace all 180 turbo/normal speed sng, but it looks like wont happen) zoom sng with one of those player counts 180/240/360 that have the same structure like current 1$ 180 players sng and when its itm to not be zoom and bi levels to be like 2$, 5$ and 10$ or 3$ and 7$. If u promote them a lot of mtt players that have small amount of tables like at the beginning/ending of their session will add those zoom sng and btw its easy to play zoom sng with phone/tablet.

I see and understand what amaya did and doing to high roi games so dont have high expectations that normal speed zoom sng will be added but lets try like ps will add turbo zoom sng and then mega face palm for me...
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07-12-2016 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mecantplay
I want to play normal speed, freezout mtts and sng 180 payers with some abi like at the moment around 2$, so i play all normal speed nlhe 6-9max mtts from 1-5$ and sng 1$ 180 player. I start to reg around 7pm CET up to 2am CET and cant get more then 12-14 tables at the time. During that time around 12-14 4.5$ 180 players sng are played so when i add them i cant have more then 14-15 tables. I want to play more tables but i dont want to play bounty builders, ko, turbo of all kind or 90 players sng. So what ps can do for players like me? - to add (imo its good idea to replace all 180 turbo/normal speed sng, but it looks like wont happen) zoom sng with one of those player counts 180/240/360 that have the same structure like current 1$ 180 players sng and when its itm to not be zoom and bi levels to be like 2$, 5$ and 10$ or 3$ and 7$. If u promote them a lot of mtt players that have small amount of tables like at the beginning/ending of their session will add those zoom sng and btw its easy to play zoom sng with phone/tablet.

I see and understand what amaya did and doing to high roi games so dont have high expectations that normal speed zoom sng will be added but lets try like ps will add turbo zoom sng and then mega face palm for me...
So the problem is you cannot add more micro speed high ROI tournaments to your already 14+ table count at the micros to get more volume in? LoL, it's not PokerStar's problem that you struggle to mass grind the microstakes for enough to earn a living. Move up the stakes and/or add a higher stake or move out. Some of the complaints from the micro grinders in this thread are utterly ridiculous.
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07-12-2016 , 09:00 PM
I think the big problem with late reg is that mtts start too deep and late reg is way to long

Imo you should make it starting

5000 starting stack,15 min lvl

25/50
50/100
75/150
100/200
150/300
200/400

End of latereg or +/- 1 or 2 more lvl

250/500
300/600

XxxxxxxxxxxxX

400/800
500/1k etc

So the point is early stage to play faster and people get ITM max after 3h-3:30h and mid stage play is longer

The way mtts are runing this days you are geting itm after 3:30- 4h + from the start of mtt which kinda sucks because is stimulating late reg when you can late reg after 2 hours with ~ 20 bigs when at least 1/3 of early reg field is bust, or after 3 hours when almost 50% of feild is bust with 10 bb and 15% of feild is paid and try to run it up

Last edited by Re8uZ; 07-12-2016 at 09:08 PM.
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07-12-2016 , 09:37 PM
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Now I'm not sure if there is a chance to bring back the tourneys under their former label. But as you continue to run 'Omania', alternatively you could at least add the former O8 games to that umbrella. In particular:

Daily 15:30 (ET) $27 Omania FLO8, $1.5K Gtd

Sa 13:30 (ET) $215 Omania Weekly-H PLO8, $10K Gtd
Sa 13:30 (ET) $82 Omania Weekly-L PLO8, $8K Gtd

Su 13:00 (ET) $215 Omania Weekly-H NLO8, $12K Gtd
Su 13:00 (ET) $82 Omania Weekly-L NLO8, $10K Gtd

Su 14:30 (ET) $530 Omania Weekly-H FLO8, $15K Gtd
Su 14:30 (ET) $82 Omania Weekly-L FLO8, $4K Gtd

NEW: Su 16:30 (ET) $215 Sunday NLO8 Hyper [6-max], $30K Gtd
Except for the Hyper, I do suggest to make them 8-max (formerly 9-max). If you for some reason don't like the -H/-L approach please bring back at least the $215 versions. I opted for a higher buy-in for the FLO8 to target both high stakes MTT and CG players.

HORSE and 8-Game are still well represented (albeit maxed out at $82) but their individual games Stud(8), Razz, 2-7 need a comeback too.
I very much appreciate all the suggestions - they do not go unnoticed. Since we've had a lot of discussion about Omania, I should say that my current preference is to have Omania majors. This would result in the Monday/Wednesday/Friday $320 Omahas and potentially the Sunday Grand being brought under the Omania umbrella. I think this would provide the most flexibility with the offering in terms of adding and removing tournaments while simultaneously giving them a higher profile. Any thoughts?
It's absolutely fine to combine all major Omaha tourneys under the Omania umbrella.

But you did not address my main point:
You have removed 3! High Stakes Weekly O8 tournaments only to be replaced by 1! (Fr Omania High Roller NLO8). Especially in regards of FLO8 this is extremely frustrating as there is no more offering whatsoever. So could you please at least re-add that one to the schedule:

Su 14:30 (ET) $530 Omania High Roller FLO8 [8-max], $20K Gtd

I've opted for $530 to cater also for lo8/mixed games cg players. I'd appreciate if you'd give it a test run. I'm pretty sure it won't fail. Also don't be concerned about collision with the PLO Sunday Grand as it's a completely different game.
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07-13-2016 , 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mecantplay
I want to play normal speed, freezout mtts and sng 180 payers with some abi like at the moment around 2$, so i play all normal speed nlhe 6-9max mtts from 1-5$ and sng 1$ 180 player. I start to reg around 7pm CET up to 2am CET and cant get more then 12-14 tables at the time. During that time around 12-14 4.5$ 180 players sng are played so when i add them i cant have more then 14-15 tables. I want to play more tables but i dont want to play bounty builders, ko, turbo of all kind or 90 players sng. So what ps can do for players like me? - to add (imo its good idea to replace all 180 turbo/normal speed sng, but it looks like wont happen) zoom sng with one of those player counts 180/240/360 that have the same structure like current 1$ 180 players sng and when its itm to not be zoom and bi levels to be like 2$, 5$ and 10$ or 3$ and 7$. If u promote them a lot of mtt players that have small amount of tables like at the beginning/ending of their session will add those zoom sng and btw its easy to play zoom sng with phone/tablet.

I see and understand what amaya did and doing to high roi games so dont have high expectations that normal speed zoom sng will be added but lets try like ps will add turbo zoom sng and then mega face palm for me...
No no no. No zoom MTSNG please. I like $1 and $4.50 180 man reg speed. They are perfect, don't change them. Better add some micro stakes MTTs reg speed between 22:40-00:15 CET.
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07-13-2016 , 11:32 AM
Wednesdays don't have bb 109 because of the Battle Royale at 20:00 CET? but it's 215$ buyin?!
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07-13-2016 , 04:00 PM
Luke, MicroMillions Main Event seems like a good tournament to utilise / show off your new variable blind level timing feature - just a thought
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07-13-2016 , 04:19 PM


Pretty sure this daily major should play deeper and not end up being a turbo shovefest on the FT... It's too shallow even for a freezeout, and PKOs should play deeper than those to offset the bounty part. It had decent structure throughout but got ****ed on the FT. Maybe add the ft-level-time increase thingy or add another blind-duration jump close to the end?

#maketournamentsdeepagain
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07-13-2016 , 05:05 PM
Hmm I went deep last week in that one and it played very deep back then tbh. ^^ Adding the conditional feature at ft's wouldn't hurt though
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07-13-2016 , 06:51 PM
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Pretty sure this daily major should play deeper and not end up being a turbo shovefest on the FT... It's too shallow even for a freezeout, and PKOs should play deeper than those to offset the bounty part. It had decent structure throughout but got ****ed on the FT. Maybe add the ft-level-time increase thingy or add another blind-duration jump close to the end?

#maketournamentsdeepagain
I don't understand comments like this. This is a 440 person field that lasted almost 10 hours. It has 15 minute levels after level 6 with a deep starting stack and lots of tiny level increments. It has a much better structure than almost anything else you'll find online. And just because apparently play slowed down an insane amount randomly this one time you're now complaining about it being too shallow on a forum. This structure is gorgeous, if it'd be much slower it'd be painful and that type of thing should only be in deepstacks/series.

Analyzing the way this one played, the final table bubble took 40(!) minutes. Blinds went from 4.5/9k to 8k/16k. 7handed play took another amazing 35 minutes. Yes, the average stack in your screenshot is only 18bb, but when the 8th player busted the average stack was still over 25bb, and that's after 10handed lasted an eternity. How this is possible with 75% bounties is beyond me, but if you were playing in this it blows my mind how you blame the structure.
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