The Sunday Marathon lasted 13 hours this past weekend. It is extremely unlikely that this structure makes its way into daily games. For the Bigs, I think I would start with just the final table and see how the reception is. It would be a bit of a lengthy trial, as it only affects those who make the final table.

Not every single tournament is created for Europeans.

The early and late majors are indeed for different markets, though a significant % of the fields are from Europe. I don't foresee the starting times significantly changing, but in my last post I suggested a small tweak of 14:00, 14:30, 15:00 ET instead of the current 14:00, 15:00, 16:00 start times.

As far as PLO8 and NLO8 go, it seems like the consensus is that peak time is missing micro-stakes. Do you feel the same way? Your suggestions are both in that area.

Here's the places where re-entry is listed:









It is possible within the functionality, but I'm not sure players would like it if the tournament became shallower when the stakes were highest. It’s a good point though and something we’ll keep in mind for the future evolution.

Shortened your post, but I wanted to say that from my perspective it’s the most limited use of color in a long while.

They still exist as satellites for Bounty Builders and a few other tournaments. I know that the argument for offering them is that they're a fixed cost, but I'm not sure that should matter in a cash prize pool. I think the fixed cost argument makes more sense for a satellite where someone can spend a maximum of three bullets in a 1 in 10 satellite.

This implies that the early stages are too deep in the non-branded tournaments. Anyone else feel the same? I don't want to arbitrarily reduce late registration unless the consensus is that the early stages are too deep or somehow late registration runs too long and the bubble is reached.

That would put it within 30 minutes of the Bounty Builder $109. The Big $109 will stay where it is so there is a reasonable gap between high stakes tournaments.

Every day has six tournaments. With only a few exceptions, they begin at 05:00, 10:00, 12:00, 14:00, 15:00 and 19:00. The 15:00 time slot will always feature a game other than NLH. Plan accordingly.

Thanks for taking the time. I've written down the 19:00-21:30 time frame to take a look at. I'm not sure the red tournament schedule will be shuffled right now, but I'm happy to fill in some gaps. There is also the possibility of a new major or two around 21:00 using the new functionality, but no promises and no timeline there.

A lot has changed in a year. In order to offer a $1M guaranteed, it was decided that the main event would be re-entry.

Thanks, I've passed this feedback on.

The number of regular 9-max turbos was lowered in the new schedule, but the Hot turbos haven't exactly been great performers in the past year or so and having fewer overall provides them a bit of time in the spotlight. I'm going to focus on regular speed tournaments before looking into the turbos.

I'm assuming the gap you refer to with the Big $4.40 and BB $4.40 is the 21:00-23:00 ET time slot?

Timebomb tournaments existed in the old schedule. In fact, there is exactly the same amount as the old schedule. They were slightly reworked to never hit the sync breaks and to have a slightly lower buy-in, but that was it.

I do what I can to provide notice of promotions (IE Mountain Series). The team responded to feedback here and put the tab in the client with the dates and the main event. I posted the dates at the beginning of June. This just isn't the type of promotion where we'll provide dates and a schedule months in advance. Perhaps we should rethink that for future MicroMillions, so thanks for the feedback.

The MicroMillions or Sunday Million one? The Sunday Million/Phase/Omania ones were created by me, and I certainly do not claim to be a marketing genius.

I do not have an idea yet, however, the $82 KOmania on Saturday is full ring PLO8!

While you commented above as well, I just wanted to note that there is a balancing act in play here. I cannot add dozens of tournaments and expect them to all have reasonable guarantees. It is important to add tournaments at a slow pace and see how the rest of the schedule performs.

No, there is no leaderboard element in this MicroMillions.

The blue micro tournaments have done pretty well, but I'm torn about adding an additional suite of them. They don't need satellite support and the more you add, the more it cheapens (literally and figuratively) the majors brand. I'll give it some more thought.

Just wanted to chime in and say that the 45 minute Timebomb tournaments are far, far less popular than the shorter versions, even after adding a small amount of late registration. So while I haven't investigated any data, I think Timebomb tournaments appeal to a different subset of players. Going on that assumption, it is unlikely they'll be adjusted to appeal to this forum's preference.

For what it's worth, when I'm talking about the schedule here, I'm typically not including Timebomb in my statements. For instance, if I was talking about full ring turbo tournaments, I would not be lumping Timebomb in with those.

There will be a healthy mix in the future, though it will still favor 6-max.

We'll be running EPT Barcelona Spin & Gos, so this isn't possible this time around.

It is helpful if you point these out, as I do not have a quick way of finding such instances.

I've passed this feedback on.

It is very simple--there are more peak time branded micros. While this may not excite grinders, the hundreds of thousands of micro players are enjoying these additions. As you can see above, I'm going to address some other specific concerns regarding the micro-stakes schedule.

The non-satellite hyper-turbo structure in play now is deeper than it has ever been. I even saw a few complaints about it being too long when it was released. I don't foresee any major changes here--they're meant to be faster than turbos and are, while still providing as much play as possible.

It is tough to pull the trigger on making the Sunday Million a 2-day tournament. We don't have a lot of data--most of it is from WCOOP/SCOOP, where the general player makeup is different, they have different reasons for playing, prize pools are bigger on an average Sunday, etc. I think it is something we could try in a period of higher liquidity. Perhaps we can trial it this winter.

Done beginning Monday. I've also made a lobby flyer to go up next week until Sunday.

currently there are no 15$ 180mans in the lobby. Is that normal this time of day?

The small tweak of 14:00, 14:30, 15:00 ET instead of the current 14:00, 15:00, 16:00 start times will help a bit.

Just add few PLO MTTs reg speed in that time slot 19:05 CET (13:05 ET) and at 23:05 CET (17:05 ET). $3.30 and $2.20 if possible.

PLO and PLO8 would be great, but if you add just 2 PLO it's ok too.

P.S.: Please add some NLHE reg speed between 22:45-00:15 CET (16:45-18:15 ET). Buy in $2.20-$4.40.

It's good to have you back luke.

Awesome news. That's something positive at least! While you are evaluating the effects of the change, please take a look at the overall structure. For example, Big109 plays really really swallow between the 3 and 4 hour mark, with an average stack constantly below 30bb. I'm sure this change will make FTs' gameplay a lot better, but the previous stages still need some tweaking imo, at least the bigger buyins.

Think it was the SM one I was referring to, though I've had the same thought a few times that it looks a bit cheap/tacky. Maybe I'm just aesthetically over-sensitive

Sunday Million as a 2 day event would be be something I'd love to see implemented on a personal level.

Yes please to the trial.

I can understand the argument that player pool is different on a normal Monday to a COOP, although I doubt it's different in a way that makes 2 days less appealing.

i.e. those with jobs, especially from Europe, would find regging it weekly much more viable.

I know Monday is a day avoided by many regs, but i'm sure people could make an exception if they had $1.5-2k locked in the SM and a chance to play for $200k.

would never work in my opinion since 70%+ of the field have a regular job on monday

That's exactly why it works. I'm one of that 70%, I'm from the UK.

It finishes at 8:00a.m. Monday morning for me in the UK. Which is 9 in Europe, 10 in Russia etc etc.

If you have a job, that's pretty hard to fire regularly.

However, if it cant run later than 3:00a.m. then that's another matter.

I do see how it's complicated though due to people in Canada/ROW.

I think I pointed out adequately that there is little or no balance in the new schedule. Thanks for brushing aside all my suggestions, tho.

I like the idea of 2 day Sunday Million a lot ..Especially if some structural changes will be made in order to maintain 40 bb avg stacks day2

I work fulltime and I always skip SM except for major series. Two day event would make me play more often. It starts at 20:00, everybody who has a job will be back home for the 2nd day already, and be pumped to play if you make it significant enough (semi late ITM).

A big yes for making SM a 2-day.

I'm also in for 2-day SM, it would definitely make it more significant etc, but the majority of the people posting itt are regs so the feedback about a tournament filled with recs is probably not very reflective of the overall consensus, especially since we're talking about a very drastic and significant change and not simpel structural changes.

2-day SM sounds very nice!

I mean, winamax is a huge rec oriented site aimed at french market so you'd think the french are not likely to dedicate two days for a tournament. Yet many of their majors are 2-days and day 1 often ends rather early. I think in the current landscape with most poker players having regular job making longer sunday events 2-day would be beneficial for everybody.

Europe makes up for 90%+ of their players though, stars cater for huge markets in Canada and South America

There is a 1.10 6max MTT at 12.25pm ET and a 3.30 6max at 4.40pm ET.

Please could we have a 2.20 regular speed 6max at around 2.30pm ET.

Every hour throughout the day at 23 minutes past the hour, you have alternating HORSE and 8-Game micro MTTs. However, at peak time for 2 hours, you have chosen not to have them where there are $27 versions. We're not going to play a $27 MTT because a $2 one isn't available.

Please could we have a 2.20 8-Game and a 2.20 HORSE at 2.23pm and 3.23pm ET like throughout the rest of the schedule. Or maybe $3.30 versions as it is peak time.

I like straight up PLO Hi MTTs, whether 6max or 9max, but at the micro level around peak hours, we only have a 2.20 PLO 6max at 12.09pm ET with around 350+ runners, and a 3.30 PLO 6max turbo at 1.39pm ET with nearly 300 runners. There is a hyper one after 3pm, but thats too fast for me. So given the field sizes, it shows there is demand for PLO Hi.

Please can we have a couple more PLO Hi micros around peak hours, preferably regular speed ones. 6-max or 9-max is fine with me.

Thanks for your time!

Very big yes for 2-day Sunday million ( although I played it once ).

I think optimally it should be made to stop around 27-18 Left for day 2

Poker pro's are the one with potentially adjusted sleep schedules. I'd think that recreational players much much more than pro's would appreciate sessions shorter than 8 hours and not having to play until 2 hours before they have to get up for work. Another big advantage of a 2-day sunday million could be 20min levels on day 2. I just don't really see a downside to it, but I think in practice numbers are pretty similar. The long-term overall happiness of the players playing it is probably a lot better as a 2-day though.

@margenov a time limit seems a lot better than X amount of players left to me, it's much clearer and predictable so people can plan their play in combination with work or whatever else. And your suggestion still makes day 1 last until 5am which doesn't accomplish much in the main region this change would target. Though I suppose it'd help for the eastern americas.

You make a valid point!

When the old b109 and 109BB were only 45 minutes apart they performed much better than they do in their current time slots.

I used to play both everyday in the old schedule. Now I only play the BB109 cuz frankly there aren't enough mid/hs non-turbo offerings in the current schedule for me to want to start my day a couple hours earlier and reg a B109 40k. Prefer these tournaments closer together, the data shows it worked well.

Great changes on the final tables playing longer! And thx for participating in the thread.

Any thoughts on adding in higher buyin phase Mtts like the $11 one?

like $55/$109/$215 along those lines, like a low(which we already have) a 'medium' and a 'high'

Suppose a micro one wouldn't go a miss either as there are so many micro fans.

Moving the hot 44 back even just half an hour earlier would be pretty key. If you swap the start time with the 109 hyper, I'd bet more players would fire BOTH instead of skipping the 44 if busting the 109 hyper first. More incentive for the guys playing higher that mix the mid stuff in on top of high stakes to fire the 215 hot as well with this setup.

What do you guys think?

Luke, thanks for the new heads-up 32 man sitngo. A few different buy-ins might be good.