i would like the structure to be slower
with 12 min levels from the start they could make it 7 hours or so for day 1

They think people that dont play it anymore spend that money on the site so no rake is lost. Wednesday night was 20k for first at the main poker tourney, now how much is it? Is there a poker tourney to play or only PKSO roulette flipament? And first is the only well paid place in PKSO. 4th of 278: 2k, second place of the main nightly 3.6k... how much it was, 14-15k?

You cant take this rep seriously after you read his response to sect7g.How could anyone believe the microstakes schedule is better now and creates excitement.

Whats exciting about rubbish payouts where you win far less than you use to, everything being 6 max, all classic micro stake tournaments like 3r being removed, all classic micro tournaments not being supported at all like 1r x3, only tournaments with a good gtd being a ****ing bounty builder, every promotion pushing you to play a spin and go.The list goes on.

The micro stakes schedule now is about as exciting as the $2 ante up $200 gtd getting a GUARANTEE BOOST to $250 gtd

This is very true for me. I've played those promos that say "Win from $1 up to $5000" (or similar) and I've only ever won the absolute minimum. Now when I see them I just chuckle and ignore them. For example, the current 'Pyramid' promo, not interested thanks. You can fool some of the people some of the time but...

+1 on that too, i saw that pyramid promo mentioned in the lobby and didnt bother clicking on it.Back in the day every stars promo was something to look forward too.Now i dont bother as the odds are im going to have to play another one of those horrible spin and gos for a chance to win something

I'm in the exact same boat...

Only ever won the minimum, if anything at all in these promos that promise much and yet deliver little.

Researched the pyramid promo and found it so worthwhile (being sarcastic) that, i've completely ignored it and not taken part.

The current deposit promo where you get up to 25 tickets to a FR that only pays a total of $500 to 256 places and has 10000+ entrants (all-in shootout), is also pretty weak and not worth bothering with.

Be nice if we had something that gave players a decent chance of getting something decent back.

Sadly, they don't anymore see a reason to run decent promos

Even if you compare the 1M new freerolls with the old supernova, you'll see how much the new one sucks. Used to have a slow structure and 100k 1st (std itm % w ~200$ mincash) and now it's a 5-min lottery where everyone gets 15$

The sad part about this is even if they did put out a worthwhile promo there's a fair chance that you wouldn't even be bothered reading the details based on your very real experiences. This is especially true for rec players and the problem is compounded the more confusing the promo.

Stars have "gone to the well" with low value promos far too much since January (and collectively it's been worse for 4 years) and I believe the problem is now rearing its head. Promos using the same "value" as February are likely not getting the deposits they once received and instead of changing course they're doubling down with more cheap promos and accepting a lower percentage of deposits, which shortfall is made up with, by doubling the "opportunity" of getting a deposit.

Stars is now beginning to give off the perception of desperation. This is the worst spot to be for an operator and this perception which is held by many needs to change. By carpet bombing anything that doesn't add revenue with a metric attached is a huge mistake. Stars as a company doesn't read into player perception very well and feel that they can ride their laurels which were built off of history. This business model won't work in a sped up society.

I do. 6-max is 100 times more fun to play. I skipped all full rings and will continue to do so if some of those 6-max will be reverted. Making Omania's 6-max was awesome decision. Now I finally want to play them daily.

Removing all the full rings wasn't very smart though, because some ppl enjoy playing them.

As a micro stakes player I’m finding it very difficult to keep playing on stars with the current micro schedule. I generally play 4/5 days a week and while most those days I dont start paying til about 6pm GMT, there are couple of days I like to play earlier. However if you look on the schedule from 12:30pm - 18:00pm there are only 12 (1 being women only too!) reg speed games available in this 5 and a half hour timeframe. While in the same time there are 17 timebomb tournaments.. Surely the timebomb tournaments are to detriment of the site if players are literally logging in and playing for 15-45 minutes at a time.

The schedule needs a serious overhaul, for example why is almost every 6-max game now hyper turbo, with exception to one or two and the ‘Micro Major’ 6-max games?? Lots of us like the 6-max games but when its just shove/fold poker from the get go it’s a no brainer to avoid these games.

There is no real depth to the schedule anymore and find it somewhat illogical that there are no deepstack games detween 11:45am and 21:10pm for micro stakes players. A $3.30 or $4.40 one earlier would attract a good field regularly.. Also a Mini Sunday Marathon would be great too, a $4.40 buyin starting around the time of the High stakes one would draw huge fields I’m sure for the Sunday regs and recs alike.

There’s also very few reg speed games that aren’t a big or bounty builder. A few more regular tournaments up to $4.40/$5.50 wouldn’t go a miss for most regs i’m sure. Also why not abolish the pko’s completely and just have the bounty builders. Same game, different name dont make no sense at all. Even if it means having the occasional turbo bounty builder on the schedules.

As for Micromillions well... GG. Would of loved prior notice to plan accordingly but sure will reserve judgement til the 14th.

More perception problems :/

There's actually more 6max on the schedule than there ever has been (I think), but since all the hypers are 6max it seems like all 6max is that format. :/

Although I have never seen the exact data, the idea is that Timebombs have very little overlap with main schedule players. They are there just for people who have 15-30 minutes - likely mobile players - who want some tournament play. The problem is there is no place to put them in the client except in the MTT lobby, even if they are closer to sit and goes.

I do wish the deep stack games and formats could find the right balance. It's been hard to get the right format, the right buyins and the right timings that get players to register. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be any, even if they aren't big. I agree there should be more.

And I hate the name Bounty Builder. It's just another name for Progressive KO. Just like BIG is just another name for Freezeout. It's marketing, but not the best naming or labeling convention. Something like BIG and BIG PKO would have worked and better connected the formats. Could have had BIG, HOT, BIG PKO, HOT PKO, and then still had all the side games that were FO, Turbo, KO or whatever structure type without sats and without the large GTD.

Just some late night thoughts.

I wouldn't have minded the large influx of 6-max hypers if it weren't for the increase in rake and decrease of rakeback. Basically everything thats >55$ is a rake trap and unbeatable pre rakeback for anyone but top tier SNG-regs.

The (ante)structure on hypers desperately need a revamp imo. There's room for a handful more blind levels and/or different starting stacks.
Ideally the structure would resemble that of a bounty builder w/ 15% antes imo.

Hot pko would be vnice !!!! I agree w that, pls make some 9max ko or psko turbo !!! Now is too much 6max in this schedule...

I like lots of 2-day events. I don't like playing beyond the hours I would normally go to sleep. In a vacuum I like it. With for example the sunday million being single day I think it's inconsistent that this one gets the much faster structure but is multi-day.

Luke I really like the idea for Bigs up to 33$ to have 15 minutes final tables and 44+$ to have 20 minutes final tables. Make it happen!

Is it still worth posting in this thread?

Is it possible to include everyone's bounty in the hand history?
Since there's so many PSKO's nowadays, it would be nice to include the bounty amount in the hand history so we can review them a lil more thorough.

+1

well it seems like daily in micros there are 24x hyper 6max, 1x special blue 6max, 6x regular speed 6max, and 3x turbo 6max (one is a zoom).

So I guess anyone with any perception at all would FEEL like they are all hypers.

I agree with your ideas on branding the pkos better.

The levels in deepstacks are perfect imo, my favorite structure these days, just need more buy-in amounts (like 1.10, 3.30) and more added time slots for them. But I think you are right, also there, finding the right games for the right times is important, but overall just get them on the schedule and fine tune later is a step in the right direction. Everyone knows new tourneys might not have the greatest gtds, oh well. Get enough new games in the evening and this problem can fix itself.

turn like 3-4 hyper 6max into turbos and I would play them every day

Amaya has come to the conclusion that micro players are mostly losing-break even players that don't care about rake, they just play for the sake of playing and will continue to play for the sake of playing regardless of the changes.
This is why all micros mtts are mostly hypers and turbos, to milk every penny, and this is also why they don't care about the micromillions series and have put little effort into it. Most events will be fast turbos or kos.

would be an alright turbo schedule if they weren't 90% pkos

but as it is the turbo pkos are overdone and it's becoming bunk.

Turbos; filtering out rebuys.

we've only got 4 full ring regular turbos per day, 4 zoom turbos, 9 hots, 1x 8max turbo, 3x 6max turbos, 8 pkos, 1 zoom pko, 1 SKO.


Hots: I am fine with 9 seems like the perfect #.

Zooms: I play occasionally, if I am doing a solid grind I play any of them I can, but can't see myself wanting more.

PKOs: I feel the schedule is a little beyond overboard with these, some could be super KOs instead imo.

Full Ring: I would like to see as many of these as Hots, spread throughout the day. I would be ok with reentry.

8max: Is a very good format imo, would like to see it get a couple of more games.

6max: Lets break this down.

Hypers 24 times a day.
Hyper buy-ins;
4x $3.30
7x $2.20
6x $1.10
4x $0.55
3x $0.27

So we have as many or more games in any single buy-in level in hyper 6max than we do regular 6max turbos in all buy-ins combined. In fact not including hots/ pkos, there are more 1.10 hypers then games in any category of turbos.

There are more hypers than hots and turbo pkos and 6max turbos combined.

Micro grinders are NOT going to grind that many 3.30s and 2.20 hypers, these games are filled by people in higher stakes, playing down for hypers. This part of the schedule is not micro player friendly.

I would say 2x 1.10s, 3x 2.20s and 1x 3.30s should be made turbos from the hypers.

Hey guys

I have been reading a lot here lately but have not made an account to comment on this. But I feel like I really need to tell you what I think about the current micro schedule. Because I am one of the players who you are "targeting" with these actions lately.

I have not played a single MTT in the last few months. Before that I was a degenerate who sometimes won something but then played to high stakes etc etc the standard recr. player story.

So I logged back on in on my account this sunday and saw that I had a few dollars left in my account. After a few months of not playing and I final tabled a sunday mini major (those are nice additions to the schedule btw). I made a pretty decent cash for a small investment. Recr player dream right?

But then the day after I wanted to play some more good micro/low stakes MTT's like I always did when I won something. And in a few months sometimes even weeks I would have lost maybe all of it. And you guys would have picked up a decent amount of rake from me.

But when I got back online this monday and I looked at the schedule. Only hyper turbo psko stuff. Sorry not for me. I withdrew more 90% of my winnings the same day.

This rec. player will take his money to another site. I hope more ppl will do the same thing and that stars realize that they made a big mistake.

Sorry for my bad english.

I like stories with happy endings

to go on, I finally counted how many micro timebombs there are.

72

this number is staggering to me.