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Old 07-03-2016, 10:30 PM   #5201
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There will come a day when the lobby looks like a rainbow with 0 "regular" games, I don't doubt the only reason "blue" games got introduced was because there was too much red in the lobby already. I mean there are already multiple bigs and hots at the $22 and $27 buyin levels in a day at different time slots.
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:41 AM   #5202
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Even if they are re-entry add some full ring turbos.
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:45 AM   #5203
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is this payout a joke?

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Old 07-04-2016, 12:50 AM   #5204
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Yes. Yes it is.
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Old 07-04-2016, 01:25 AM   #5205
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Guarantee Boost = let's find tournaments that have no chance of overlaying and marginally increase their guarantees so we excite exactly no one

could have been a really cool unique idea to get players online playing again, but yeah u blew it now, i see "guarantee boost" and just sorta roll my eyes now
Spot on.
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Old 07-04-2016, 08:40 AM   #5206
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Guarantee Boost = let's find tournaments that have no chance of overlaying and marginally increase their guarantees so we excite exactly no one

could have been a really cool unique idea to get players online playing again, but yeah u blew it now, i see "guarantee boost" and just sorta roll my eyes now
yep....pretty much
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Old 07-04-2016, 08:46 AM   #5207
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A two hour late registration period is too long .. .. With the low payouts, it wasn't worth it .. .. However, the extended late registration period is still a turn off, as I tend to only register for tournaments with a late-reg period that ends before 22:00.
+1

Imo 2hr+ late reg should only exist for major tourneys where the prizepool are bigger. Non special tourneys shouldn't be having this long late reg, at max they should have 80 mins late reg. I hope Luke takes this feedback seriously.
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Old 07-04-2016, 10:12 AM   #5208
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Hey Luke, can you add PLO and PLO8 reg speed at micro stakes please? Because we don't have then at all. (20:00-00:00 CET) Add 9-max or 6-max or add Omania whatever just add some omaha reg speed in that time slot. And don't make them re-entry... Come on Luke! We want to play omaha, add some reg speed for us please.
Hey, nice suggestion. I don't see any micro PLO or PLO8 from 12:35 to 19:05 ET. There's several $11, but nothing smaller. What buy-in do you think would do best? $3.30? Any additions in this game/buy-in combination will likely be re-entry. I haven't seen anything aside from a couple complaints here that indicates re-entry is hurting the non-NLHE games.

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Make Bigs and Bounty Builders play a little deeper (hopefully by overall increasing stack depth and not simply by using this, but even this can work). They are not deep enough, there has been proof posted in this thread by me and others. Should be a bit deeper on weekdays and even deeper on Sundays.
I do plan to use the functionality in most, if not all, tournaments on the regular schedule. I think it is good for the game if the pressure of playing a final table is heightened with longer levels. This may just mean 4 minutes in a hyper-turbo, 6 in a turbo, and so on, but it will make a big difference in the playing experience.

For Bigs, what about 20 minute levels at the FT for $44+, and 15 minutes for all stakes up to $33? I could advertise this via a lobby flyer in order to give the Bigs a bit of a boost as well...

Feedback?

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lol.

just. lol.

why not earlier? to be honest, i don't really expect an answer to this question.. why should you.. really, really sad. you let us microplayers wait one whole year to play a series and then you treat us like this. this is really disappointing.
I'm sorry you're disappointed with the timeline. I'll communicate this feedback to my colleagues. As a result of feedback here, we've put up the MicroMillions tab so that players know it is coming. For now, it is only populated with the main event.

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Will there be a Micro Millions leaderboard with PCA package for the winner like in previous series?
No, but we'll be offering puzzles and a "Last Man Standing" prize of $1,000 for the player/s who cashes the most days in a row during the series.

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Oh I missed Luke's once a month appearance, so I guess I shoulda been on the ball..

So no responses.... probably ever again to individual posters; just a FYI about some changes, a last minute MMs schedule, slightly better(?) pay table in some tourneys...

So after MMs, micro grinders have a **** schedule again? ****ing wonderful man.

Thanks for pretty much nothing.
If you think the current micro schedule is lacking, please make suggestions! I have added multiple tournaments since the new schedule was released purely with micro players in mind. There have already been several detailed posts outlining gaps in the schedule. I plan to address them after receiving additional feedback.

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Micro mills was rebuy heavy in previous years so id assume it will be re entry heavy instead, with monster fields and awful payouts, not sure why anyone is pleading for this series to return.
Certain time slots (early and late for Europe) have more re-entry than before, but overall the series is a healthy mix of popular formats.

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Any promotions to get guarantees on the rise after the euros next week?
I haven't created a lobby flyer (the space between your filters/tabs and the list of tournaments) for next week yet. Any ideas on the content? I could:
  • Highlight a specific brand (not Omania, Bounty Builders, or $10K Payday)
  • Highlight the new functionality and tournaments it is being tested in
  • Create a more generic flyer with an interesting stat such as X $100K+ guarantees, $Y guaranteed on Sunday, etc.
  • Highlight the majors each day. "Monday's Events", and so on.

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When is the next 1 million freeroll coming? iirc Dnegs and Amaya told us there would be 4 this year. Only one freeroll so far and we are halfway...
July 17th.

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Luke a fair question for ya. About 9 months ago you posted that your intention was to promote and add more microstakes MTT's into the schedule... yet for the MM's it's obvious to all that with 3 days promotion this is undoubtedly no longer the focus. What's changed?
The amount of time that MicroMillions is our lead promotion is a separate concern from the number of micro-stakes tournaments in the main schedule. I believe the new schedule offers more excitement for micro-stakes players looking for big prize pools, but I'm happy to continue to receive feedback and tweak the schedule. Additionally, the MicroMillions tab is now live in the client.

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The gtds are gonna be really bsd for the MM...I'm afraid to look.

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The overall series guarantee is lower than before, but the average buy-in is lower as well. There is no Sunday Storm SE in this MicroMillions, which typically contributed $600K to that number.

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Why all blue MTTs in low stakes starting too early/late? Such as: $11 Mini Monday 6-Max, $11 Mini Battle Royale, $11 Mini Fast Friday, $11 Mini Saturday KO, $11 Mini Sunday Starting, $11 Mini Sunday Wrap-Up. All of them are starting at 12:00 or 02:00 CET. All of those new good MTTs are starting too ealry or too late for european players. I'm registering in MTTs between 20:00-01:00 CET, so I can't play them. Can you make half of them playable for us, european players please? Or just add 3rd MTT (you have early and late edition) starting at 20:00-22:00 CET. High stakes has a very good schedule, but micro and low stakes is lack of MTTs, at least for EU players (even mid stakes not so good). So please, add more MTTs for us or just fix the starting time.
I agree that it might be too late for Monday and Wednesday specifically. What about changing starting times from 14:00/15:00/16:00 ET to 14:00/14:30/15:00 ET? I'd rather not start them all at once and I do want the focus on the two higher buy-in tournaments. Would that make a big enough difference overall?

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Luke, can you please fix the payout structure of all single draw tourneys? I mean the payouts that is in use has so many flaws, I did tell you about this last year and you acknowledged and you changed their payouts on 29.09.2015. Can you bring that payout once again?

Today I was playing this tourney which got 72 entrants and it paid 14 places - thats like paying 20% and the min prize was 1.47x times thats way too low.

Another thing, it pays 3 places even if their are 3-4 players regd at the start - we have already seen one big overlay because of this.

And also the difference between the 3rd and 4th place is bigger than 2nd and 3rd place in this crappy payout
They'll all change beginning Monday.

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Luke - could you shed some light on what's going on with the guarantees in the Omaha MTT schedule? I usually play 4-5 days a week and it seems like the gtds have been dropping steadily despite the tournaments rarely if ever overlaying and seeming to regularly exceed the guarantee, at least as far as the times I have played. It could be that I'm playing on days when everyone else is also so I'm not seeing the smaller fields that cause the overlay and resulting guarantee drop?
Well, Omania guarantees have gone up, so surely you're not talking about those.

Guarantees have been dropping across the whole schedule, not just Omaha games. It is due to seasonality/Euros and the trend will hopefully reverse in the next few weeks!

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It depends on the time of day. (The following focuses on non-turbos only.) Look at just the BIGs/Bounty Builders from $0.25 - $4.40 (that are still running at this time), I see 8 of them from 11:30 ET to 15:00 ET, with one starting every 30 minutes. After that, we have the following tournaments:

16:30 - $2.2 Bounty Builder
19:00 - $3.30 Big
21:30 - $4.40 Bounty Builder
22:00 - $4.40 Big
00:00 - $2.20 Big

That's eight in a 5.5 hour span, followed by just 5 in a 7.5 hour span. For me, I would like to see a $1.10, a $2.20, or even a $0.55 after 18:00 up until about 21:30.

By the time I get home from work and eat dinner it's about 19:00, and if I were to play tournaments I would register for anything starting after 18:00 for the next three or four hours. Besides the above tournaments, the ONLY regular speed, non-re-entry is a single $2.20 at 18:15.

If I add re-entry tournaments, the ONLY additional option is a $1.10 6-max tournament at 20:30 (and I filter out re-buys & re-entries).

The above tournaments have late registration of 2h00, 2h10, and 2h20. Why do the tournaments have different late registration periods, and why is the difference so small?

I haven't played any MTTs in a quite a while due to a combination of the structures, the payouts, and the late registration period. A two hour late registration period is too long. Combined with the structures being super slow at the start it takes far too long to make the money (then the structure is way too fast in the middle). With the low payouts, it wasn't worth it. Now that the payouts have been updated, I may start playing again at some point. However, the extended late registration period is still a turn off, as I tend to only register for tournaments with a late-reg period that ends before 22:00.
Thanks for this post. It is very helpful! It is intentional that there is extra Bigs/Hots/Bounty Builders at micro-stakes during peak time. Are you saying that you prefer more red tournaments, or that the later ET time period just needs filled out with more regular speed, non-special tournaments?

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The PLO schedule structure is beyond terrible right now.



Please swap the $55 PSKO to the $11 6M PSKO spot that starts after the $55 Omania. Having the schedule in this order:

11 6m
27 6m PSKO
55 Omania
55 PSKO
27 6max
11 6m T PSKO

Would bolster the prize pools for both the $55 omania and $55 PSKO rather than having them spread 4 hours apart with tiny prize pools and probably not a lot of carry over between players. I actually just checked and there was only 1 player of the 5 remaining players in the $55 PSKO than even played the $55 Omania.

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Also Every game that is reentry should be advertised as such along with the number of entries in the lobby, Im sure there are ton of players that have no idea that some of the games are reentry. Is it really that hard to list the games as:

$215 SUNDAY MILLION [1RE] $1,000,000 Gtd
Omania $55 PLO [2RE] [6-Max] $6K Gtd

?
As far as re-entry goes, it is listed in four different places within the client for each tournament. This isn't some underhanded scheme, but is only a matter of deciding how much information is listed in each tournament name. It is no different from shortening Progressive Super-Knockout to Progressive KO. Players will become used to finding re-entry in various places.

As far as the Omaha suggestions go, I'd rather let Omania breathe a bit before rearranging the schedule. I understand your point that the $55s are a bit far apart, but they both have a solid following in their respective time slots considering it is in the middle of summer. Would moving the $55 up to ~17:15 or so make a difference, or is that still too late?

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Guarantee Boost = let's find tournaments that have no chance of overlaying and marginally increase their guarantees so we excite exactly no one

could have been a really cool unique idea to get players online playing again, but yeah u blew it now, i see "guarantee boost" and just sorta roll my eyes now
The Guarantee Boost tag is simply a visual signal that means the guarantee was increased recently. It is the time of the year where we are safest on guarantees. Guarantees cannot be aggressively raised since prize pools are still suffering from the seasonal downturn. In the coming weeks and months, many of these tags will hopefully seem more meaningful to you.

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There will come a day when the lobby looks like a rainbow with 0 "regular" games, I don't doubt the only reason "blue" games got introduced was because there was too much red in the lobby already. I mean there are already multiple bigs and hots at the $22 and $27 buyin levels in a day at different time slots.
The number of red tournaments was increased significantly in the new schedule. The blue majors were introduced so that a new tier of tournaments could be highlighted. The Sunday Million should be different from the Big $1.10. For what it's worth, people on this forum were practically begging for us to use the same buy-in multiple times within a brand.

Anyways, I suppose this is sort of a moot point since KOmania is both blue and red.

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Even if they are re-entry add some full ring turbos.
When? What stakes? What is missing?
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Old 07-04-2016, 10:22 AM   #5209
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Haha so much for the 'he wont respond anyway' crybabys

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Old 07-04-2016, 10:41 AM   #5210
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Old 07-04-2016, 11:03 AM   #5211
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Nice to see some feedback here again.
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Old 07-04-2016, 11:06 AM   #5212
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For Bigs, what about 20 minute levels at the FT for $44+, and 15 minutes for all stakes up to $33? I could advertise this via a lobby flyer in order to give the Bigs a bit of a boost as well...

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Sounds good, but make sure to add another increase before the FT - like at 27 or so. Basically, the Sunday Marathon structure is really really good, I wish more MTTs (majors or bigs or whatever) could get that structure implemented.
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Old 07-04-2016, 11:49 AM   #5213
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Luke, you can add $3.30 PLO at 19:05 CET (13:05 ET) and $2.20 PLO8 at 23:05 CET (17:05 ET), one of them 9-max please. Also you can add some KOmania tournaments for micro and low stakes at saturday or sunday.

About blue tournaments: Would be great if you make half of them (at low stakes) a bit earlier. I mean those MTTs which is starting at 02:00 CET (20:00 ET). It's too late for EU players. And those MTTs, starting at 12:00 CET (06:00 ET) are too early. If possible, make half of them at least 23:00 CET (17:00 ET) or those who is starting to earlier, make them 19:00 CET (13:00 ET). We want play those $11 blue MTTs but we really can't. It's too early or too late at low stakes for EU players.
You can make it as follows:
Monday: $11 Mini Monday 6-Max [Early Edition] 12:00 CET (06:00 ET)
$11 Mini Monday 6-Max [Late Edition] 23:00 CET (17:00 ET)
Wednesday: $11 Mini Battle Royale [Early Edition] 12:00 CET (06:00 ET)
$11 Mini Battle Royale [Late Edition] 23:00 CET (17:00 ET)
Saturday: $11 Mini Saturday KO [Early Edition] 12:00 CET (06:00 ET)
$11 Mini Saturday KO [Late Edition] 23:00 CET (17:00 ET)
Or change early editions instead of late and make them 19:00 CET (13:00 ET)
About sunday: There is 4 good blue MTTs which starting too early or too late:
$11 Mini Sunday Starter 12:00 CET (06:00 ET)
$11 Mini Sunday Kickoff 15:00 CET (09:00 ET)
$5.50 Mini Sunday Stack 23:45 CET (17:45 ET)
$11 Mini Sunday Wrap-Up 02:00 CET (20:00 ET)
As you can see it's too early or too late for EU players who starting their session at 18:00-19:00 CET (12:00-13:00 ET), so please make some changes. Make at least half of them to start between 19:00-23:00 CET (13:00-17:00 ET)

Same with the few MTTs of medium stakes: $22 Mini Super Tuesday [Early Edition], $33 Mini Super Tuesday [Late Edition]
$22 Mini Thursday Thrill [Early Edition], $33 Mini Thursday Thrill [Late Edition]

High stakes looks good enough.

Micro stakes is lack of MTTs of course and I have a suggestions. Add some blue MTTs at sunday and make it something like $4.40 Mini Million starting at 21:00 CET (15:00 ET). Add something like $3.30 or $2.20 Sunday Battle PKO starting at 20:30 CET (14:30 ET).
Also you can change starting time at $3.30 Saturday Micro (14:00 CET (08:00 ET) is too early) and $3.30 Sunday 6-Max (16:15 CET (10:15 ET) is too early).

P.S.: $44 Sunday Marathon starting too early, $22 Mini Saturday Scuffle starting a bit late and $27 Saturday Eliminator starting a bit early. But the main thing is of course those tournaments, which I wrote above.

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Old 07-04-2016, 11:57 AM   #5214
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Luke pls just put re-entry in the title of the tournament. It is confusing because I have to constantly check in the structure tab just to verify. I know it's not underhanded but it may come off that way to some players. Pls make it more clear in the title. Thanks
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:20 PM   #5215
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yes I agree, please put "[Re-entry]" in the title
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:47 PM   #5216
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20 min for FTs sounds great but cud possibly be a be too deep when it gets short handed would it be possible to decrease the levels maybe by HU or 3handed
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:56 PM   #5217
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There will come a day when the lobby looks like a rainbow with 0 "regular" games, I don't doubt the only reason "blue" games got introduced was because there was too much red in the lobby already. I mean there are already multiple bigs and hots at the $22 and $27 buyin levels in a day at different time slots.
This is a major problem and we're only seeing the tip of the iceberg. As more and more players leave Pstars the problem will accelerate. The problem is gimmicks that try to bring artificial excitement and benefit but in reality offer neither. Yet these gimmicks and slight of hands will accelerate even though players are leaving due to them.

Analogy- Restaurant is full $1 coffee, becomes half full so $2 coffee, WTF it's now empty.

Full Tilt ruined themselves with this approach. Both with the gimmicks and the fake valued promotions. Once fooled by the true lack of value a recreational player discounts all future offerings as having no value and overtime won't even bother reading the tos of them. So good promos become ignored due to the bad ones.

The MTT lobby looking like a rainbow is the concept that FullTilt used when they got really desperate and started the crazy gimmicks right after BF.
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Old 07-04-2016, 12:57 PM   #5218
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Monday: $11 Mini Monday 6-Max [Early Edition] 12:00 CET (06:00 ET)
$11 Mini Monday 6-Max [Late Edition] 23:00 CET (17:00 ET)
Wednesday: $11 Mini Battle Royale [Early Edition] 12:00 CET (06:00 ET)
$11 Mini Battle Royale [Late Edition] 23:00 CET (17:00 ET)
Saturday: $11 Mini Saturday KO [Early Edition] 12:00 CET (06:00 ET)
$11 Mini Saturday KO [Late Edition] 23:00 CET (17:00 ET)
As you can see it's too early or too late for EU players who starting their session at 18:00-19:00 CET (12:00-13:00 ET), so please make some changes. Make at least half of them to start between 19:00-23:00 CET (13:00-17:00 ET)

Same with the few MTTs of medium stakes: $22 Mini Super Tuesday [Early Edition], $33 Mini Super Tuesday [Late Edition]
$22 Mini Thursday Thrill [Early Edition], $33 Mini Thursday Thrill [Late Edition]
So, the problem here is these are supposed to be very early - for Asia and Australia - or very late - for Brazil, Canada and insomniac Euros. It's not a mistake; it's designed that way!

But I can see how these tournaments are really attractive to players at the $11 buyin level. What if there were more micro versions during European peak hours for you and your stake level?

For example, what if we had $11 Micro Super Tuesday and $11 Micro Thursday Thrill running at 19:00 CET (13:00 ET)? These don't exist and could help fill what seems to be a need.
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:06 PM   #5219
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So with the rake changes is that it for 1r 1as? I used to love the 11 or 5 cubes but I know the format lost popularity when rebuys were raked
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Old 07-04-2016, 03:46 PM   #5220
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Please make sth for the late reg. 2h20 is just too much. For majors it's ok, but not every tourney.
Lot of people don't play because it's basically just take 4hrs to win a min cash. 90 mins is more than enough
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Old 07-04-2016, 04:13 PM   #5221
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it is basically impossible to grind 6+ MTTs on ps with gtg+ 30k if you don't play ko mtt... this is so much BS...

you need to understand that people just reg because there is a gtg, and they can play for a big prize...if the gtg is low, they just dont reg
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Old 07-04-2016, 05:31 PM   #5222
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i dont want slower final tables when im playing for less money than i should be with these **** payouts
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Old 07-04-2016, 06:32 PM   #5223
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Luke pls just put re-entry in the title of the tournament. It is confusing because I have to constantly check in the structure tab just to verify. I know it's not underhanded but it may come off that way to some players. Pls make it more clear in the title. Thanks
+1

I did notice in the MTT filter that, there is a box to tick in order to hide re-entry tourneys (which I have personally done) but, do agree it should be more visable and easier to determine what MTT is what in terms of it's structure.
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Old 07-04-2016, 06:46 PM   #5224
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Re: 2016 PokerStars MTT Discussion Thread (New Schedule: 2016/04/25)

pls bring back some 9max 27 turbo psko !!! like from old schedule....
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Old 07-04-2016, 07:56 PM   #5225
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Re: 2016 PokerStars MTT Discussion Thread (New Schedule: 2016/04/25)

Hi, I think that old time slot for big 109 would be way more succesfull than current one. Consider it, please.
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