true true, just trying to understand all the feedback.

A lot of people complain without seriously thinking about the consequences of their proposed suggestions. Sadly a lot of "suggestions" weren't in their own best interests and because of this they were implemented by Stars and the drawbacks only became obvious after they were done.

Ya but you forgot that part where they initially butchered the structures and when that finally got fixed they went ahead and butchered the payouts whilst all the while butchering the guarantees.

That's a whole lot of butchering!

Luke, can you please fix the payout structure of all single draw tourneys? I mean the payouts that is in use has so many flaws, I did tell you about this last year and you acknowledged and you changed their payouts on 29.09.2015. Can you bring that payout once again?

Today I was playing this tourney which got 72 entrants and it paid 14 places - thats like paying 20% and the min prize was 1.47x times thats way too low.

Another thing, it pays 3 places even if their are 3-4 players regd at the start - we have already seen one big overlay because of this.

And also the difference between the 3rd and 4th place is bigger than 2nd and 3rd place in this crappy payout

Luke - could you shed some light on what's going on with the guarantees in the Omaha MTT schedule? I usually play 4-5 days a week and it seems like the gtds have been dropping steadily despite the tournaments rarely if ever overlaying and seeming to regularly exceed the guarantee, at least as far as the times I have played. It could be that I'm playing on days when everyone else is also so I'm not seeing the smaller fields that cause the overlay and resulting guarantee drop?

So their solution was to kill all the successful regular speed and turbo games and make the schedule only butchered specials, hypers and timebombs.

They were not acting on anyone's suggestions here, they are merely imposing that they are.

These are not the tournaments we liked and wanted more of, they are new games altogether.

PS is trolling hard with the three days time slot between MM schedule releasing and starting date.

Removing all kind of sng mtts with 90/180 players (turbo/non turbo freezeout/rebuy/psko/ko) and making 180 players zoom with 7-8 minutes per level and when itm to be non zoom is very good imo coz some players are playing 1-2 tables and with zoom they dont have to wait a lot for action at the table and ofc for all is good to make more hands per hour : PS- more rake, fun player - more fun and regs - ft. Its hard to multi tabling zoom with tournys but thas the only - i see. Making itm stage non zoom is a must and multi tabling should be easy.

Non turbo players maybe will lose some roi but gain more tournys per hour compared to nowadays games and turbo players will gain some roi and gain more tournys per hour imo.

so r u saying remove all 90 and 180 player sngs and replace with 180 player reg speed zooms? And force the traffic into those zooms u r saying? lol lol lol

this is a terrible suggestion

please tell me I am reading that wrong.....?

7-8 min per level is not normal sped its semi turbo.
Open PS and see how many games for 90/180 players are running and how the traffic is divine. Play one table and see how slow is the action. Zoom is good thing for mtt sngs.

And what if people don't like Zoom?

Totally disagree. MTSNG 90/180 with 15 min blinds are perfect. No need to ruin them... If you don't like that "slow action" you can just play turbo or hyper.

+1

Zoom MTT's...personally couldn't think of anything worse, hence why I have them filted out (along with a few other things to be fair, such as 'time' - another format I especially dislike).

I like the idea of zoom but killing everything for them is terrible.
Stars really needs to add on demands for off peak hours.

My mistake for 7-8 min per level. I forgot that some tournys like 45 players or less have 10 min not other 15min per level. So zoom with 10 min blinds.

If people dont like zoom they would start to like it or wont play others will come.

For me zoom 180 person with 10 min blinds is perfect so i like that idea and wrote +1 to the first player that suggest it.

How about for games under 3$?

Zoom 180s is the worst idea in this thread it will completely kill those games.

so that translates to 'how about just **** micro grinders some more?'

what about rake every bounty in 10%?

rake is killing the games (all games tbh)

It depends on the time of day. (The following focuses on non-turbos only.) Look at just the BIGs/Bounty Builders from $0.25 - $4.40 (that are still running at this time), I see 8 of them from 11:30 ET to 15:00 ET, with one starting every 30 minutes. After that, we have the following tournaments:

16:30 - $2.2 Bounty Builder
19:00 - $3.30 Big
21:30 - $4.40 Bounty Builder
22:00 - $4.40 Big
00:00 - $2.20 Big

That's eight in a 5.5 hour span, followed by just 5 in a 7.5 hour span. For me, I would like to see a $1.10, a $2.20, or even a $0.55 after 18:00 up until about 21:30.

By the time I get home from work and eat dinner it's about 19:00, and if I were to play tournaments I would register for anything starting after 18:00 for the next three or four hours. Besides the above tournaments, the ONLY regular speed, non-re-entry is a single $2.20 at 18:15.

If I add re-entry tournaments, the ONLY additional option is a $1.10 6-max tournament at 20:30 (and I filter out re-buys & re-entries).

The above tournaments have late registration of 2h00, 2h10, and 2h20. Why do the tournaments have different late registration periods, and why is the difference so small?

I haven't played any MTTs in a quite a while due to a combination of the structures, the payouts, and the late registration period. A two hour late registration period is too long. Combined with the structures being super slow at the start it takes far too long to make the money (then the structure is way too fast in the middle). With the low payouts, it wasn't worth it. Now that the payouts have been updated, I may start playing again at some point. However, the extended late registration period is still a turn off, as I tend to only register for tournaments with a late-reg period that ends before 22:00.

The PLO schedule structure is beyond terrible right now.



Please swap the $55 PSKO to the $11 6M PSKO spot that starts after the $55 Omania. Having the schedule in this order:

11 6m
27 6m PSKO
55 Omania
55 PSKO
27 6max
11 6m T PSKO

Would bolster the prize pools for both the $55 omania and $55 PSKO rather than having them spread 4 hours apart with tiny prize pools and probably not a lot of carry over between players. I actually just checked and there was only 1 player of the 5 remaining players in the $55 PSKO than even played the $55 Omania.

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Also Every game that is reentry should be advertised as such along with the number of entries in the lobby, Im sure there are ton of players that have no idea that some of the games are reentry. Is it really that hard to list the games as:

$215 SUNDAY MILLION [1RE] $1,000,000 Gtd
Omania $55 PLO [2RE] [6-Max] $6K Gtd

?

k, noted.

Guarantee Boost = let's find tournaments that have no chance of overlaying and marginally increase their guarantees so we excite exactly no one

could have been a really cool unique idea to get players online playing again, but yeah u blew it now, i see "guarantee boost" and just sorta roll my eyes now