last week it was 40k, but before EUROs I think it was 60-65k .....

80k back in the old timeslot a year or so back.

It was even 100k 1 year ago

It's lower than party's 109$. Errrrr.....

yeah folks. its totally the euros and summer season.......nothing else to blame here......not at all.

party poker if it fixed its lolsoftware could easily take all mtt business from stars, site is dead apart from bounty builders they try ruin them on a sat to making it 75/25 bounty/pp

At this rate The Big $109 guarantee will soon be less then 1st place used to pay

did it ever overlay?

I'm enjoying the new majors.

But to be fair, i just care about SCOOP and WCOOP at PokerStars.

it is actually sad. the big 109 was the mtt that I most enjoyed during the monday-friday grind

the thing is if pp has a bigger gtg for the 109 and weaker players, why the hell would ps expect people to keep playing there?

Move it back to its original time slot

I also stopped playing when the b109 was no longer worth playing.


Fwiw none of this garbage is worth playing with your ****ty ass pay strucutures u greedy monkeys.


Funny u guys can gtd 1M every Sunday. But still Sunday gtds are the pits.

If you look in the lobby the Bounty Builder GTD's are growing while the freezouts are getting cut. Its not rocket science there is a form of social engineering (there is probably a better word) to move players to games where edges and ROI's are smaller.

Lower your traffic on stars and move, it really is that simple especially when there are overlays elsewhere.

lol barely 100k players on when I just checked. On a sunday? They have failed so bad they now get Monday traffic on a Sunday lololz

pathetic is still the only word I can come up with. Well degenerate and stupid also come to mind as words to describe pokerstars.

How's your bottom line going? How's your stock prices? How's your debt coming? Bad, Bad, Bad?

Well that is what I thought.

Keep setting the world record in a billion dollar business failing.

You can't compare images of 2015 & 2016 as a means of discounting the influence of the Euros. The UEFA European Championship is on a 4 year cycle: 2012, 2016, 2020 etc.

All of this. I moved my play a year ago as the writing was on the wall. I wonder how long they'll drag this strategy out before they start to re-invest in the games. There's no overlays. There's no promotions that will result in giving players a windfall that would actually cause them to cash out.
Even the "Million Freeroll" will result in Pokerstars profiting when you consider the qualifiers to get into it and the fact that the payouts are 90%+ ITM which results in such little money per person that nearly no one will cash out and it will get recycled into rake again.

Pstars, put out a promo that excites me and I'd play on your site. As it is you guys are the cheapest in terms of promos yet have the toughest games.

+1

im not someone who really follows any sports in general so i didnt know that but, do you really think that about a 50% decline is just because of it? doubtful.

say the year by year decline is 10% ( hypothetical figure here as i dont know how much its been declining year by year, im a rec who actually started in jan 2014 so i literally joined just in time to see the titanic sink ) lets be generous and say the whole euros thing is another 20% it could actually be more could actually be way less to be honest i dont know.

wheres the other 200 people?
where did that 20000 in the prize pool decide to go to?

i think its safe to say at this point every single implication since the new schedule in april has been a colossal failure if you look at prize pools across the site. Sure whats left of the guarantees are being met but its a far cry of what it was even a very short time ago.

Sunday Million is barely scraping by and has now been tarnished
Sunday storm is now barely scraping by with a guarantee thats lost a third in pretty much the last 2 months. yes that one was switching between 300 and 275k but it was 300 more often then not.
the sunday grand which was the sunday 500's replacement....apparently.....double the buy in smaller guarantee.
warm up is down to 250k,
even on the micro side its going down look at the hot11, thats 20k during the week now. i could be remembering wrong but didnt that used to have the same weekday GT as the B11?
are the bounty builders even growing anymore? for a while there weren't some of the micro/low ones actually capping on sundays? whens the last time that happened probably not since any of these changes.
yeah maybe these are ****ty examples but i dont play a huge amount so i cant remember off the top of my head what everything is/was/usually is this time of year. However more then a few people are saying these lows are unprecedented to say the least.

you have been getting pretty much nothing but almost unanimous complaints from almost everyone who still bothers to post here. people not being able to grind much volume compared to before, the ****ing abysmal pay tables, i might be able to remember MAYBE one or two partially positive remarks about the non holdem schedule, people not getting any excitement and consistently skipping sundays now like jesus christ.

one more thing i want to ask about luke is what about micro millions?
We are now getting within 3 weeks of when you said it would be held. all we know is that "its gonna look different then what were used to"...........considering all the complaints we don't exactly have a whole lot of faith right now and would like some details so we can maybe give some goddamn feedback. look at WCOOP already having its own thread how many MONTHS before its actually gonna happen.
boy oh boy if we get some super gimmicky **** fest with only a few freezeouts the whole series and a reentry main event i wont be to impressed. At least use a decent paytable for the damn series if nothing else.

+1 to pretty much all of that, also good luck with a decent pay structure for MMs, if there even is a micro mills this year. But we can dream right?

freaking paytables are just so tilting.. days where you should be even easily and you're down $$$$$

@Wutever55: There's a lots of legitimate complaints in this thread about PokerStars' MTT policies. But there's very few posters who in addition to complaining give PokerStars something worth reading & it's important to present solid arguments & data where possible. Do you think Luke will read your post that begins by addressing me & then shifts to Luke Wutever? Is there anything useful for PokerStars to note in your post?

Overall do the rare valuable posts get buried in dross? As you allude to yourself this isn't an "MTT Discussion Thread" as per the title I actually read your entire post Wutever & above is what stands out. Sorry.

Getting back to your original post that I replied to & the image you embedded ~ you [or the person you copied it from] compared two identical dates [June 25th 2015 & 2016] that fall on DIFFERENT days of the week.

At the moment the Daily Big $109 guarantees are at their lowest on Fri & Sat [$35k] & at their highest on a Sunday [$100k]. The other four days of the week it's $40k. Can you go back to the source for your image & tabulate the guarantees/entries for each day of the week in the 4th week of June last year?

That would make an interesting discussion & you'll find out something - a legitimate point to raise with Luke that doesn't need to contain any "I don't know, but..." guesswork. What do you think?

i mean the $700 psko being $100k guarantee is just laughable 7x the buy in of the bigger 109 and has same guarantee

That's interesting. In my lobby I can't see a $700 psko with $100k gtd today - what is the tournament ID #?

I do see a "$700 Super-Sized Sunday [Progressive KO]" with $175k Gtd [462 entries] & the $109 $100k Gtd [1487 entries].

Loki, Luke and pokerstars have all the data in the world for pokerstars.

There is no need for us to present it

There is simply not enough time in the day for them to look at it.

Does that make sense?

Wasn't my point. This is a discussion thread & I don't see enough of that. I think it would be a more useful thread for everyone if there was more comparisons between the situation now & previously with numbers, dates & so on so that people are more able to say "good point" or "hold on that isn't correct, because.."

You can see two examples from two different posters in the immediate two posts before yours where I respond to what appears to be [to me] gross errors. PokerStars recent 'experiments' need robust criticism & that is best delivered with a touch of evidence

There is a lot of dross in this so-called "Discussion Thread"

Does that make sense?