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Old 04-25-2016, 06:14 PM   #2701
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Re: 2016 PokerStars MTT Discussion Thread (New Schedule: 2016/04/25)

Change all those 3-stacks to STD FO tournaments, also u should let ppl know that the deep stacks arent that deep anymore
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:26 PM   #2702
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Re: 2016 PokerStars MTT Discussion Thread (New Schedule: 2016/04/25)

Def should make the Bigs longer levels, it's getting pretty shallow pretty quick now.
Come in here and give us a response. If you change the bigs structure then the schedule looks pretty awesome!
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:31 PM   #2703
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Luke, players have always continued to register the BIGS regardless of how long it took to finish. Having a chance at big money is where the appeal is at. Give us a few tourneys that have the old BATTLE ROYALE structure. Its amazing being able to play real poker late instead of watching flips and run outs. Don't you agree that we have enough turbos in the schedule already? Let players that want to play shorter tournaments register one of the gazillion turbos if they don't have more than "5 hours" to play a tourney.

If you are truly concerned about the amount of time it takes to finish a tourney, why not speed up the beginning stages and slow things down later as we get deeper into the tourney? It def smells like another Stars ploy to lower regs edge
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:33 PM   #2704
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Def should make the Bigs longer levels, it's getting pretty shallow pretty quick now.
Come in here and give us a response. If you change the bigs structure then the schedule looks pretty awesome!
+1
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:45 PM   #2705
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Change all those 3-stacks to STD FO tournaments, also u should let ppl know that the deep stacks arent that deep anymore
cool thanks, i might actually try playing one then

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Old 04-25-2016, 06:47 PM   #2706
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Change this Omaha's/8 6max! this tournaments are not playable anymore. How can you make all tournaments 6 max?! This is total nonsesn and ridicules. Make standard 9max and courchevel 8 max as it was before. In a few days nobody will play this. Very good that there are lot of new torunaments but 6max and their structure just sucks!!!
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:47 PM   #2707
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Re: 2016 PokerStars MTT Discussion Thread (New Schedule: 2016/04/25)

Ok having played a short session myself tonight, I have some remarks. Basically it are the point I've already raised. I'll just be talking for the 'bigs' now. In my experience, early is allright, feels a tad faster than it used to be, but that's not too bad. I like the thought of being itm a bit faster anyway. The levels 600/1200 700/1400 800/1600 900/1800 all are good, but then the structures becomes messed up.

It then jumps from 1/2k => 1250/2500 => 1500/3000 => 2000/4000 => 2500/5000
compared to in the past 1/2k => 1200/2400 => 1400/2800 => 1600/3200 => 1800/3600 => 2000/4000 => 2400/4800

Not only were the levels in the past longer, the jumps were also significantly smaller. For example in a regular b22, you go from 1/2k to 2500/5000 in only 36 minutes compared to 60 (!!) minutes in the previous structure (and you actually had bb4800 instead of 5k as well) And this is for a midstakes big, in a lowstakes bigs this all happens in only a matter of 32 (!) minutes, which is about half of what it used to be.

To me, especially the jump from 1500/3000 => 2000/4000 felt huge, and I was watching avg, and I saw it dwindle from 32bbs in bb3k to 24bbs in bb4k & 21bbs in bb5k. If you really want to keep this blind structure, I would suggest adding at least 2 or 3 minutes starting from bb2k. You'ill still have the bigger jumps, but at least they are compensated by longer time levels then.

Let's say you add 2 minutes starting from bb2k. You'll then have at least 44 minutes of play (still doesn't come near the previous 60 minutes)

Maybe adding 3 minutes is even necessarily. You'll have 44/48/52 minutes of play compared to the usual 32/36/40 we have now. So basically it would become like this then:

7/8/11 minutes for lowstakes bigs
8/9/12 minutes for midstakes bigs
9/10/13 minutes for highstakes bigs

Increase blinds at start of level 17 (300/600) and increase them again at start of level 25 (1000/2000).

I think this change/or something similar is necessarily and should happen as fast as possible bc you are really hurting yourselves now.

Then another point I'd like to raise. I play somewhat in between midstakes, but I also noticed the lack of good lowstakes tournaments for those players. Please bring back these 2$/3$/5$/8$ rebuys 11FO 8FO 5FO 16FO etc for these players, bc I can really understand their frustration now since the only options they now have is either bigs/hots or a turbo. I was looking at the schedule, and while I think it's an improvement for myself, I thought 'man it must suck to be a lowstakes grinder now'.
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:48 PM   #2708
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Re: 2016 PokerStars MTT Discussion Thread (New Schedule: 2016/04/25)

#FIXTHEBIGS
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:52 PM   #2709
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Hey Luke, what happened with all the HU Hyper and HU Turbo KO MTT's ? Is this an error or you are not offering those anymore ? Thanks.
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:54 PM   #2710
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Change all those 3-stacks to STD FO tournaments, also u should let ppl know that the deep stacks arent that deep anymore
They should write how they did to the 4xTurbos or SPLASH now, whatever: "Deep stack, formerly known as regular speed!"
And I would like to ask all the higher stake players to cut down their enthusiasm: your turn will surely come. Don't you think that you are an untouchable elite like you did (most of you, anyway) when the cash and SNG players protested not a long time ago against some pretty rough changes. I foresee changes to higher buyins tourneys as well in the near future, after the waters will calm down with the lower stakes players: bigger rake for sure, maybe even not counting towards FPP balance (hey? if you have money to pay for a 200$ BI, why do you need FPPs for? you rich bastard!), maybe even bigger antes and quicker blind structure. If the lower stakes players "accepted" why wouldn't you? And besides...who is going to take your side when you will scream "OMG! Pokertars! You are killing poker!!"? Cash players? SNG players? Lower stakes players? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Call me a visionary, just like Amaya's poker team. And don't forget this thing started some time ago. The trend is to eliminate as much as possible any edge anybody can have and to rake in all the $, so poker will be just like any other casino games. No edge for the player.
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:57 PM   #2711
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Re: 2016 PokerStars MTT Discussion Thread (New Schedule: 2016/04/25)

Blind structures are not the best. Think about adding longer levels (and better blind jumps) the further tournaments go. It makes absolutely no sense to play a tournament for 4-7 hours and then flip coins for the majority of the prize pool. This isn't bingo.
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:57 PM   #2712
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Re: 2016 PokerStars MTT Discussion Thread (New Schedule: 2016/04/25)

WTF stars, why cut out the $2.2-$27 tournaments that used to be great and run every hour? The guarantees were great and they rarely overlayed. WTF!!!!
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:58 PM   #2713
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Destroying the low stakes!!!
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Old 04-25-2016, 06:59 PM   #2714
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Re: 2016 PokerStars MTT Discussion Thread (New Schedule: 2016/04/25)

Just change the name Poker Stars to Turbo Stars and then we'll have complete transparency.

Edit: I will say that some changes look pretty awesome, others not so much. To give more effective feedback, I suggest bumping the 4min levels in the hots back up to 5 (at the very least).

Also drop your rake on rebuys - wait a sec, where did the 109r's go?

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Old 04-25-2016, 07:08 PM   #2715
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Hey Luke, what happened with all the HU Hyper and HU Turbo KO MTT's ? Is this an error or you are not offering those anymore ? Thanks.
+10000, i hope it is some sort of a mistake
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Old 04-25-2016, 07:11 PM   #2716
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Hey Luke, what happened with all the HU Hyper and HU Turbo KO MTT's ? Is this an error or you are not offering those anymore ? Thanks.
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+10000, i hope it is some sort of a mistake
+2000

I stopped playing HU MTT for a while, but plan to go back to them eventually. Now there is nothing to go back to! LUKE PLEASE
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Old 04-25-2016, 07:11 PM   #2717
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Also drop your rake on rebuys - wait a sec, where did the 109r's go?
its a turbo, couple hours later
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Old 04-25-2016, 07:26 PM   #2718
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Def should make the Bigs longer levels, it's getting pretty shallow pretty quick now.
Come in here and give us a response. If you change the bigs structure then the schedule looks pretty awesome!
This. Can't stress how much. There is a part of me that likes the idea as getting ITM quicker and tournaments taking less time is appealing but still - Turning the bigs into essentially Turbos is wack as F.

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Hey Luke, what happened with all the HU Hyper and HU Turbo KO MTT's ? Is this an error or you are not offering those anymore ? Thanks.
Prob not an error but hopefully. These were fun for everyone. Sigh.
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Old 04-25-2016, 07:38 PM   #2719
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Ok played the new schedule tonight and finished last 2 tables and final table twice on 109+ tournaments. So there is definitely no bias in my criticism given that I ran well.

Some decent things. Schedule IS actually quite nice, at least for me in Europe.

Structure IS a problem, as so many said. There is something I probably never saw. The 320 at the time we were 20 out of 97 the late registration was still open. With 18 paid players. MEaning you join at the end and fold every hand you'll (most) likely be paid.

And there is more, if you get itm you get first 370 $ for 320 invested. Is that some kind of joke ? I went deep on this one and pay outs at the end are ok but seriously, win 370 on 320 invested when finishing 16/97 ? 1.2 pay out, sweet !

It's clearly not all perfect. Played the big 109 too, and have to say it was not as bad as many say, although indeed too quick. Mine lasted around 6 hours and I did not really feel that it was push/fold crapshoot only, but an hour more would probably be much better.
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Old 04-25-2016, 07:42 PM   #2720
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I have noticed the changes you made and I'd like to state some points:
It was nice that you added new tournaments but please tell me are you serious?? what are these structures in bigs and builders? 8/9 min levels and 7/8/9/10/12 & HUGE level jumps. You can easily add turbos but you can do that without deleting the regspeed tournaments and destroying bigs and builders. I think most regs have the same issue and this is no good at all neither for you and the regs. EVERYTHING IS TURBO NOW!! You have to change this ASAAAAP
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Old 04-25-2016, 07:49 PM   #2721
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The 320 6max NEEDS 5k start stack...with the antes from the start its way to shallow with 3k.

Mostly positive regarding the schedule in general, feels like there are alot more stuff to play now, and soooo nice to FINALLY get antes from the start!
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Old 04-25-2016, 07:51 PM   #2722
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Ok having played a short session myself tonight, I have some remarks. Basically it are the point I've already raised. I'll just be talking for the 'bigs' now. In my experience, early is allright, feels a tad faster than it used to be, but that's not too bad. I like the thought of being itm a bit faster anyway. The levels 600/1200 700/1400 800/1600 900/1800 all are good, but then the structures becomes messed up.

It then jumps from 1/2k => 1250/2500 => 1500/3000 => 2000/4000 => 2500/5000
compared to in the past 1/2k => 1200/2400 => 1400/2800 => 1600/3200 => 1800/3600 => 2000/4000 => 2400/4800

Not only were the levels in the past longer, the jumps were also significantly smaller. For example in a regular b22, you go from 1/2k to 2500/5000 in only 36 minutes compared to 60 (!!) minutes in the previous structure (and you actually had bb4800 instead of 5k as well) And this is for a midstakes big, in a lowstakes bigs this all happens in only a matter of 32 (!) minutes, which is about half of what it used to be.
Consistent level jumps are the more significant part here. If a tourney structure does not have reasonably consistent jumps between levels then there will always be people abusing their timebanks, etc to take advantage of those jumps in that structure. Sometimes it's also just unavoidable and the inconsistent jumps will effect all players experience long run in a negative way. Fix this part first Luke.

If you need an example just take a look at how much better the newer SnG structure in the 6/9/18 mans plays compared to the former structure which had those early level inconsistent jumps. You added antes and sped up those SnGs a small bit compared to their former structure but players supported those changes because they went towards making the structure more fun, with more poker play with the antes, and the levels now had some consistency to them which was the most important change you made to that structure IMO. Do something similar with your MTTs without speeding the time played to much in your REG speed MTTs and I'm sure you'll also have alot of satisfied customers and PokerStars will get what they want out of the structure as well.
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Old 04-25-2016, 08:03 PM   #2723
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really looking forward to hyper micromillion series in july lol
i dont see the point why you didn't let more regspeed mtts in the schedule beside all the hypers and turbos.
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Old 04-25-2016, 08:04 PM   #2724
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Changes look very consistent with everything the company has said in its quarterly releases and done in other games in recent months. Average winning player ROIs across the board will be lower, recreational player money will wash around in the system longer, average recreational player satisfaction will increase.

Expect this trend to continue as guarantees in the lower edge games get pushed higher at every available opportunity (and vice versa for the higher edge formats).
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Old 04-25-2016, 08:13 PM   #2725
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11$ - 33$ from 21.30-00.00 CET is absolutely rubbish, especially the turbo section which was working really good from 22.30 - 00.00.
a lot of .eu players played them while not regging reg-speeds so late to wrap up the session and now there is a big hole of nothingness.

before rake changes there was in said time slot:
(1/9 Prog. S. KO)

11$ Reg (21.30)
3.30$+R 2x Turbo
27$ Turbo KO
16.50$ Turbo
7.50$ Turbo
27$ KO Turbo
11$ Prog. S. KO. Turbo
11$ Turbo
Hot 7.50$

now there is:
(2/4 Prog. S. KO)

33$ 6max Turbo Prog. S. KO
Hot 22$
22$ 6max Turbo Prog. S. KO
Hot 7.50$
and a ridic. low 8k gtd. 33$ Turbo, lets see how that turns out
well said! we need more good turbos to wrap up the session this time zone

I also like the new hots' structure but hate the big's structure

I think the new schedule will work great for rec players therefore optimistically softer fields maybe?
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