LOL, you realize that PKOs basically pay twice as much for first as second, right? I mean I don't love the payout structures either, but you do make more money in the places you finish most frequently in your deep runs. I mean most players are going to finish between say 10 and 50 in a smaller field and say 45 and XXX in a larger field tourney, so those payouts being a bit bigger is a plus. Obviously it is at the expense of the final table payouts, but I mean this trend has been happening for years (increased payout numbers, decreased money for final tables) because they think it will prolong the recs stay in poker if they keep winning, but don't win enough to cash out.

Play there, don't play there, but the outrage is just so tired. They offer what they offer, their software is better than everyone else by miles, their game selection is still better than most (though some are competing), but their pay tables are the deepest and their rake is higher. It's like choosing a restaurant, you know what it costs and what you're getting, eat there if you want to, don't if you don't, but they aren't going to change their overall strategy for a few people on 2+2, nor should they. It's their business to do with as they wish.

Lel.If im going to fancy restourant which is pretty looking offer more thing on the menu but all things in the menu is way more salty than the other restourant and the waiter is not caring at all about me as a customer i will mby once or twice more and if theres no change i will change the restourant ,but lets be real i will change it at the first time .So pretty bad example .As we see party and other sites gets bigger and bigger guaranties .Stars becoming quite ****te all tournaments which i play last year have half the guarantie from 2017 and i dont know how many times less than 2016-2015 and its not like many counties left -australia is not even in my schedule time,israel ,slovenia isnt that big,india is big but even then i didnt see many players from then ,so from wheres this 20-50% less guarantie or even more?They suddenly change their payouts which were good for years and years ,this is not change for good this is bad management if u want to keep ur business for long time and i can give u examples for real time busineses which have good promotions and when they stop them and other offered better they bankcrupt for 2-3 years at most .

Actually my example was perfect and you just agreed with me, I said complaining in HERE is doing nothing and boring, just stop playing at Stars if you don't like them anymore.

I never said they were better than anyone overall, I said you know what they offer:

+ Good software
+ More game selection
- Deeper pay tables
+/-/? Weird payouts

So just make a choice, either eat at their restaurant or don't. Bitching in here has done ZERO in the multiple years I've been reading this thread. They have a game plan and this is it. So either get out of the site what you can for now or move on, nobody here is listening to you or anyone else except for other players.

So yes, if you go to the fancy restaurant and the food sucks, they won't change their menu just cause you tell them it sucks, but they will either change their menu or close their shop when nobody eats there anymore.

But as I said above, PokerStars still has good qualities overall, like their software, so they aren't in danger of closing up shop anytime soon, even if their MTT offerings become withered more and more.

U agree with me i also agree .After i put the post about the changes i check again and these changes where implemented this monday and i checked all the schedule untill next monday and im excited to say to you guys that all blue majors which are non PKO and except million and storm are being changed .Now all from 1 to 5 place take less money ,2 take like nows 3 ,3 take like 4 now ,first take little bit less,all places out of FT (last 2-3 tables takes more money) allmost all of them also have their % payout increased by very small % and for all of them is now second takes half of first .U said something about PKO also paid same ,but thats not the truth i have seen first take 3 times second if he earns bounties but also second takes very near like 1st if the 1st didnt earn bounties,also they dont reward 20% of the field ,yes they reward if u are not ITM also but they are other story at all .

Or how about you just stop reading this thread if it triggers you so much, think of it as a restaurant if it helps.

Good one, you know how to use the word "triggered" incorrectly. I'm not triggered because I stated my opinion, I'm just stating my opinion that this section of the forum is dead and if I saved anyone from wasting their energy typing another useless message that no one in a position of authority at Stars is going to care about then it was useful.

I do like that I am "triggered" because I stated a balanced view of Stars and their current strategy, yet the people in here calling Luke names and and posting endless streams of sarcasm and negativity are just solid citizens protecting the ecosystem of poker.

Anyway, I unsubbed this thread long ago, but I check in occasionally to see if there is an update re: schedules or series.

So don't worry, I'm not here often and you can enjoy your circle jerk in peace again.

@luke
can you please contact people responsible for FT deal popout and tell them to fix it

ATM it has ICM & EQUAL chop and chat is not possible while pop out is up

imo deal poput should have ICM DEAL, CHIP CHOP DEAL & CUSTOM DEAL (chip lider atm of choping should have admin rights and put numbers)+ chat should be able in popout so players can discus deal

old full tilt like 5+ years ago had this kind of FT deal popout and it was working great, please fix this ASAP

agreed, so frusterating since stars OWNS FTP software

Reduce min entrants on the high rollers to 4 please.

+1

This would be a massive QoL improvement for the software.

They're obviously not going to let you guys make custom deals and fleece the recs.

custom deal option is way better for all (including recs), imo when players are allowed to negotiate/make custom deal there will be more chops and payouts will be flatter which is beneficial for punting recs and imo is obv stars goal... when you only have ICM or EQUAL chop option, is more likely that there will not be a any deal at all because no reg will take icm deal (except when he is masive chip lider) or equal deal(except when he is shortest stack) 3-4 way with 2-3 weak recs

all "fair" deals/chops at FT imo are somewhere between ICM and CHIP chop

I feel like recs almost always overestimate themselves and rarely agree to some ridiculous deal. So +1 for custom deal

@luke
can you please explain why mid stakes turbos and reg speed ("hot" "big") have such terrible FT payout structure
-why #1 is ~ 2x from #2???
why #1~=#2+#3???
why #1~>#2+#4???
why #1>#4+#5+#6 ??? etc etc do u even look at the payouts???
are u aware of variance playing push fold 10b-20bb/20-30bb avg stack at hot/big FT??
-why more people get itm?
-why min cash is smaller in hot/big then in PKO?
WTF???

HOTs payouts 82$ 44$ 55$

BIGs payouts 82$/44$/55$

compared to pkos/BB payouts?? 82$/44$/55$

even hipers have better payout structure??

WTF have you done and why have you spread the money/payouts in the middle??
its not rocket science just make min cash ~1,5x from buy in and put more money in top 5 on FT
who cares if finish #45 or #33 or #25 and get extra 0.1% of buy in for busting 3 tables later after we get itm??
its really no surprise that every day GTD drop and people play less and less MTTs on stars

What changes has been implemented in new "end user agreement" and "privacy policy"?

Its funny links PS provide honestly say those docs unavailable in my region but I have to accept it to be able to keep playing PS....

Hey, it would be really nice to get a "blue" Mini Fat Thursday/Tuesday 22$ turbo, would be probably crushing it

It is easy to explain why they did it, they need to pay more players that money is circulating longer on the other hand they want to have a decent 1st price, so pay everyone + give the 1st Price way more.

Looks like their economics dudes are doing their job printing more money.

of course i understand all that but wtf are payouts/pay jumps at FT
they can do the same thing they are targeting but they dont need to give extra 10$-20% those guys in the middle from min cash => FT
they can just flat the middle payouts/payjumps to be for bigger number of players and put all those money on FT

the problem is that people are not dumb they look at payouts and see that first is artificially pumped to look bigger and 2-5 are insignificant compared to #1 => less people every day play/reg those MTTs and every MTT GTD day in/day out is declining and less and less people every day will reg/play those MTTs

It decrease reg edge. If a tournament pays out a lot of people but is also very top heavy then ICM becomes less and less relevant, thus punting recs make far fewer ICM mistakes deep in the tournament. Bad nit regs will also get heavily punished by this structure.

These structures are a gold mine for stars. First they keep more money circulating and second they decrease reg ROI and massively increase variance. It's win win across the board for Stars.

Yea agree with that and understand the concept (greed)
The problem is that all MTTs except pkos are declining because some regs are not playing them so gtd is going down then recs are not playing them because smaler price pool, then field gets tougher so more regs unreg pre, gtd goes down more recs unreg pre and mtt die...

its hapening very very fast ...every week smaler gtd for daily mayors and less people are playing payouts are geting worse, like big 109 hot 109 will be like 20k gtd in February also hot 55 and big 55

i somehow understand this payout concept for huge feilds 5k+ mtts when people chop ft, but cant understand why the are dooing this for small fields mtts with less then 1k players it doesnt make any sense to me + deal popout ofering only icm or equal chop is absurd
Oh well i guess is ongame #2 agenda in play rip

DING DING DING...we have a winner! Seems to be the overall strategy with everything and not just the payouts (ty walmart captain obvious).

smart people have stopped responding in this thread, smartest people have ignored it altogether.

I made table comparing Stars, 888 and Party MTT Payouts structures for everyone to see how bad Stars get. Payout changes are basically same for all the non-PKO tournaments with buy-ins up to $82.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

dont play anything <$82 on stars going forward if you like money

starting today/tomorrow every tourney under $82 has that horrible payout structure ,this includes all blue/red tournaments , hypers , omaha8 etc

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

Did u read this page i allready said that.I didnt play anything different thant bounty builders and sunday storm...

The ft payouts are total joke!!