I decided to sharkscope the whole field of a small 33$ MTT on pokerstars that i play on a daily basis.
I already had 1/3 of the field marked as regs and a couple funplayers.

I thought 90% of the remaining 2/3 would be unknown fish. WRONG.

I could not believe my eyes when player after player turned out to be winning regulars. And the few recs were not even that bad.

Atleast 70% of the field were winning players and the other 30% either breakeven or slightly losing with very few big losers.


Is it time find a new livelihood?

If you want to just nit it up and get free stacks from fish? Yeah that ship has sailed.
If you want to actually get good and crush those mediocre regs? Still plenty of opportunity for that.

70% winners doesn’t make sense obviously. Try filtering for recent results. You will find most won all their money 4-5 years and are now slight losing players who are addicts/too dumb to let go

Yes it’s possible to level up and squeeze on the leaks of the weaker regs. Is it worth it? No. So Yes... it is time to do something else.

glgl

^ nailed it

playing COOPs or the occasional sunday is still enjoyable, but if you're an MTT reg playing pokerstars on a tuesday afternoon may god have mercy on your soul

A lot of the regs are bad ( im one of them if i can be called reg ,but im new to the game and learning fast so i will improve very soon) with small to noone winnings .Theres still alot of fun players ,just must pick what tournaments u play .I pick only red ones and PKOs since they have all the fun players .I checked many times profiles of fun/fish/weak regularly playing people and they prefer bounty builders .So its not dead its just harder.If u are weak dont play with the regs .

Any good MTT player will absolutely destroy these games. There's a negative selection effect or Peter Principle or whatever you want to call it, where the people most qualified to crush certain stakes are likely to play higher.

There are far fewer pure fish especially at non-peak times, but a metric ton of poor regs.

No actually good player would be at all bothered by even 99% of the field being this sort of player.

Idk what destroy means to you but i made a group of 11 good mid/highstake players on sharkscope and for games 11-44 dollar they average 3,73$ profit per game or 18.5% ROI the last 2 years. (66K sample)

Game changed entirely since solvers came out. Tons of dinosaur regs who used to win big but haven't kept up with modern theory and are now chugging along as small winners.

Right now anyone who is prepared to grind solvers hardcore will rise up the ranks very fast.

$33 daytime on Stars confirmed tougher than COOP High Rollers.

Even if you're right and it is an insanely tough tournament, there are other sites where $33 games are still beatable I can assure you

Also, how are you defining 'good' players in your sample and how many of those games are turbo?

obv random $33 bowls, $44 deep stacks on pokerstars are going to be very reg heavy. If you take the sunday storm or $5.50 bounty builders, I'm sure you would find 70% of the field are big losers

This is pretty at it.
3$ per game is good.
Then its just put that and count youre monthly salery=
is it worth it?

There are very few players that makes 5k$+/month.

A group of regs I think are very good, 0-55$ and 0-109$, this year

not $3 a game

Most "regs" are playing so far from optimal in mtts even if they are winning in the games . So yeh potentially you could still abs crush the games and you don't need to spend 1000s of hours on pio either but you do need to be prepared to actually outplay people and not just rely on hitting hands and getting it preflop in with solid ranges
What I mean is the avg low-midstakes reg often has huge gaps in their strategy , particularly bvb and in the more intricate spots . But if you are relying on solid 3b and push/call ranges then you prob won't see a big edge as most mtt regs have a pretty decent grasp of that although again theres lots of spots where the avg reg will be particularly value or bluff heavy I think

Is it worth it ? If you love playing the game then yes but as a pure money making idea then def not like I wouldnt say to a non poker player oh yeh you should def begin playing its a great way to make money..

So looking at popcorns lists $8-9 a game is the near elite of very good and running ok results (as I assume there are other very good regs who are not running good not included in there m)

Hard to math it out but lets say for example expectation for being among the best playing is $6 a game

30 games a day = $180 a day

Really not close to enticing for playing full time if you are in a western /rich country and considering all the downsides

Swell hobby tho

MTTs are loaded with fish. The variance is very high. The players that like money play cash games.

I would say game selection is super important these days. Firing random regfest tourneys from higher end of your avg buyin is rarely a good idea. Every tourney should make sense from some perspective and its still possible to make decent money playing mtts. Just need to know what ur doing.

Not even close to dead, here are some notes I took today at $20-35 MTTs:

db 3/4 on 2t on 6342 rainbow, cshvd 33 bb mp
rsd 3x w 99 xd a527 called pot bet on 2 r
limpd sb b pot.5 on a69 2h
shvd 3x pot on 6t on 864 in xd pot

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STATION IDIOT cd q3 3s on q2ak4fl bb v btn

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rsd 2.5x, limpd 2x
shvd 4x spr on 2349t
cshvd 25 bb co w aqo

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limpd 3x, cd 5x rs w k10o xd down on 4tn w 10h fl
rsd 3x, 3b 5x 3x w q8o cd shv on 696 after cbetting

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shvd 100 bb first hand and 2nd hand w a5o

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rsd 3x 3x fd v 3b, limpd
b q10 2s on 710j3fl 3 ways and then hu for all in pot on t NO flush

I could go on and give 10-15 more examples from today, but you get the gist of it, AWFUL play, not just inaccuracies in raising k7o instead of k9o on btn or mistakes like cbetting ako on 865 btn v bb, but massive blunders. This is ONLY today and ONLY A FEW of my notes.....

Sounds like you will be crushing $1000 level mtts in no times 70AD

having to decipher these notes ingame would tilt me a lot more than those „massive blunders“ themselves would.

+1 i would run out of timebank before knowing what the note says.

I shall attempt to translate:

donkbet turn 3/4 pot on 6342 rainbow board
check shoved with 33BB stack from middle position
raised 3x with 99 and checked down on A5272 board, proceeded to call pot bet on river
shoved 3x pot on 8646 in checked down pot.


****ing ass hole called me down with Q3 on Q2ak4 board with a 3 high flush on the river while sitting in the BB versus me on the button. **** this guy!


raised 2.5x
limp/called 2x
shoved 4x the pot on 2349 two toned board
check shoved 25 BBs in the CO with AQo

limp called 3x
called a 5x raise with KTo, checked down with 4th to the nuts with a ten high flush and raised 3x on river
3-bet 5x
raised 3x with Q8o and called shove on 696 board after continuation betting.


shoved 100 BB first hand and did it on the second hand with A5o


raised 3x with 3 high flush draw versus a preflop 3-bettor
limped and bet 2 streets with QT on 7TJ3 flush board in 3 way pot, got all-in with no flush versus another player

Mission accomplished.

If you can't understand these notes (having made them yourself if you're reading them in-game) then poker probably is dead for you

Whilst he's a bit of an eccentric fellow, he does sound to be actively trying to better himself.

Surely this is going to trump crying about your surroundings, not just in poker but in any walk of life.

Except perhaps at international onion conventions.

hi 70AD

Thanks m8, I can only hope to one day be able to achieve legendary status of spending a decade on a poker forum to be making snarky comments, now that is how you know you've made it.

Join Date: 2009

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