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Old 02-25-2015, 11:00 AM   #1
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Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me **Resolved**

Hello,

Name: Paul Petrus Adrianus Berende
Nationality: Dutch
Birth Date: 1. April 1988
2+2 SN: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/217184/
Skype: paulberende
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/paul.berende.7
Location: Magnoliastraat 3, 4814 cn Breda

[Edit/MH: Passport photo removed]

Paul reached out to me late August last year. He was looking for a stake, after it hasnt been going his way and he wasnt able to play the limits he has been playing anymore. I know him for pretty much my whole career now both online and live and had my first livedeeprun together with him - so we already met and talked. I wasn't planning on taking on more stakees, but his stats and his reputation was quite convincing so I started backing him on 8/9/2014 for 4 sites.

He has been grinding quite some and piled up some MU in the first couple of months and he was lazy reporting, but I checked all of it on sharkscope and it seemed correct. So it was not optimal, but a little bit as expected.

I started travelling in November/December - February 2014 and thats when it started to become suspicious. He didnt play regularly (still okish volume) and there were a couple of times where he didnt update the sheet for 7 days or didnt write me any messages that he was gone. After I confronted him it was "family" or a "festival" (which being facebook friends with him I know is correct) but the span of time he didnt communicate in hindsight was definitely more like avoiding conversations with me. Back then I knew that he probably wasnt the most reliable person and poker player out there, but I was pretty sure that he was an honest guy and I didnt think one second of it somehow being something really negative.

So Ive been hardcore-travelling in Nov/Dec/Jan where I only sent money and was available at skype to chat.
I had some shares in EPT he busted, he played multiple sites and I checked in with sharkscope everytime when he asked for money - but I didnt check it 100% for correct numbers while travelling.
When I came back home beginning of February I checked in with all my stakees and checked statistics and after I checked all his screennames on all sites and the belonging numbers I found quite a gap from sharkscope to his sheet and requested an audit - and thats where it starts to become really weird.

First I asked for Moneybookers/Neteller Screenshots to check it right away.
He refused that:
Paul Berende:
i think its lame that your accusing me of stealing, and i have to defend myself by sending up peronsal stuff at this point

then
Paul Berende:
im gonna discuss this with my brother first before i send u information from account history etc, because i feel like this is not the normal way to go but ok, i feel really accused on something here..

after that I asked for PokerStars and FTP audits so I can check it, he refuses that:

Fedor Hold
so why dont you just be cooperative and do me a favour and show me something that eases my mind
like the audit of Stars and FTP
or some screenshots
Ive been scammed twice already I cannot just believe your word
so if you are telling the truth then it should be quite easy for you to prove it

Paul Berende
like i said im gonna talk about this with my brother first and think about this before i send u any personal history, if you don't want to send any $ then for tonight , that would be really lame
and i don't think i deserve this

Fedor Hold
how is a stars audit personal history

Paul Berende
just any account history info with my info

Fedor Hold
the info I already have

He also wrote this:
Paul Berende
like i said im not gonna request any files yet before I talk about this
i want to know if this is normal, in all my 7 years playing poker i never have done anything like this

I replied to that with a quote of someone really well known in the business who said that its super standard. He didnt respond to that.

now after this conversation I start to become really worried and Im already quite sure that he somehow took money from the stake when I was gone.
I gave him a deadline to send me the audit and he just dissappeared and didnt really answer me anymore.

His last words:
I dont have to defend myself for something like this, I have backed people myself and backed others and I have never had anything like this. If u wanna ruin my name by saying I stole money go ahead, but it is beyond ridiculous.

I'm 99% sure that he took money from me (although I couldnt check with an audit) and Im really dissappointed. I gave him two deadlines, he didnt cooperate in any way and now I feel obliged to let the community know.

He had about 119,165$ in Makeup. He sent me back the remaining roll of 4400$~ on monday.
I assume hes down about 80-85k$ on 5 sites.
I think he stole about 25-35k$ over the course of the last 7-10 weeks.

If you have any information regarding the matter, please let me know.

Fedor

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Old 02-25-2015, 11:38 AM   #2
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

refusing to send an audit is absurd
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:42 AM   #3
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

this is extremaly shady
i could understand refusing a bank/ewallets audits (altough its pretty weird as well)
but lack of stars/ftp audit is ridiculous and cannot be justified
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:44 AM   #4
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

how is copy of passport not personal but stars/ftp audit is personal lol
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:51 AM   #5
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

kanker padjes
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Old 02-25-2015, 11:57 AM   #6
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

This is ridiculous. 100% he stole that money from you.

Scummy prick.
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Old 02-25-2015, 12:08 PM   #7
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

Backer has a right to see absolutely everything. Stars/ftp/mb is super super super standard and should be a regular precautionary check. I check with people who have been friends with me since day 1 and will continue to. They understand because of he hundreds of scamming stories that happen.

There is a chance that Paul doesn't realise this and just
Assumes you are doubting him. However if he is in any way shape or form experienced in staking agreements like he suggested he should really Understand how über standard this is.

Paul - most people who have ever said anything about you to me has always been very positive about how great a guy you are, I'd really recommend trying to cooperate with fedor here and work out the problem.
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Old 02-25-2015, 12:13 PM   #8
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

also pay T-Macha the 10k back, if you havent done it yet, mr.padjes.


really sad you slipped into this kind of bs, paul gl on the comeback!
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Old 02-25-2015, 12:16 PM   #9
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesusjapiee View Post
I know this probably sounds funny for non dutch people but its a pretty terrible thing to say. /offtopic

*** any horse refusing to send audits etc, you're playing with someones else money, do whatever it is to show you're innocent **** morons. kinda shocking to hear this about padjes, although its proven time after time that even long time big winning regs arent to be trusted 100%. gl getting your money back
It's funny for Dutch people aswell.
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Old 02-25-2015, 12:18 PM   #10
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

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I know this probably sounds funny for non dutch people but its a pretty terrible thing to say. /offtopic
just banter calm yer tits

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Old 02-25-2015, 01:28 PM   #11
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

lol @ not sending stars audit because it's "personal info"

Stole the money 100%
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Old 02-25-2015, 01:39 PM   #12
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

Was wondering who staked him. srry for you fedor.

The guy has A LOT of debts.

gl
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Old 02-25-2015, 01:43 PM   #13
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

trainwreck ...
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:10 PM   #14
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

and this is why you have the stakee agree to give audits and screen shots before you stake him - ideally in a contract and not just "i agree" in a skype chat. friend or not, its just SOP
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:20 PM   #15
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kanker padjes
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:56 PM   #16
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

padjes ***'in that ass!
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:57 PM   #17
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

Waaaaw. Guilty for sure! Gl with it
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Old 02-25-2015, 02:57 PM   #18
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

he's chill irl tho , prolly just anotehr poker degen that's broke i assume....
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Old 02-25-2015, 03:17 PM   #19
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

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Was wondering who staked him. srry for you fedor.

The guy has A LOT of debts.

gl
Unfair to say things like this that is so vague. Say it all or say nothing imo.
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Old 02-25-2015, 03:30 PM   #20
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

wow he was always one of the guys i looked up too when i started playing, wondered about why i didnt see him much at the tables anymore, now i know why i guess

gl fedor!

(and yeah sending an audit when requested is super super std)
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Old 02-25-2015, 03:51 PM   #21
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yeah my bad, prob better to say nothing because i dont know of these guys would appreciate it if i named them here. But its clear the guy has several outstanding debts (like the 10k from T Macha) and they probably all hoped that he would just grind it back.

Sad situation, hope it gets resolved. gl fedor.
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Old 02-25-2015, 04:54 PM   #22
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

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wow he was always one of the guys i looked up too when i started playing, wondered about why i didnt see him much at the tables anymore, now i know why i guess

gl fedor!

(and yeah sending an audit when requested is super super std)

+1
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Old 02-25-2015, 06:06 PM   #23
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Pff this sucks and it's a pretty big shock for the part of the Dutch poker scene who wasn't up with the situation yet.

Good luck resolving this Fedor.
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Old 02-25-2015, 06:54 PM   #24
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Re: Paul "padjes" Berende stole money from me

Haven't red this yet, but need to insta chime in to say you need to take that passport picture down now.
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Old 02-25-2015, 08:14 PM   #25
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why do passports get removed from here but are allowed to stay in other threads?
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