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Old 11-17-2017, 11:11 AM   #6051
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Re: ****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****

Hey hey,

Been away for few days, glad a lot of the changes have gone down well, and for the suggestions we will keep looking into them. Off peak likely after Caribbean.

Regarding rake on online event, $5200 with 0 rake back and $5300 with 40% rakeback is one important point to remember, second point is that we will always be running $5.3k seat satellites that can be used for other millions events etc, so keeping the buy in consistent is important too I believe.

I'll try and find out more information if people want.
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Old 11-17-2017, 01:48 PM   #6052
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Hey hey,

Been away for few days, glad a lot of the changes have gone down well, and for the suggestions we will keep looking into them. Off peak likely after Caribbean.

Regarding rake on online event, $5200 with 0 rake back and $5300 with 40% rakeback is onet important point to remember, second point is that we will always be running $5.3k seat satellites that can be used for other millions events etc, so keeping the buy in consistent is important too I believe.

I'll try and find out more information if people want.
Think you write well and have brought in some great changes but this line is a bit of a clanger. Suggests you guys are leveraging the rakeback offer to increase rake, which is not what regs signed up for when they moved from stars! I agree with the others who say this rake increase is significant - a bit similar to when rebuys started being raked.
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Old 11-17-2017, 02:06 PM   #6053
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Re: ****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****

Quick fix for Millions online rake: award double rake from Millions Online event. It'll cost you a bit more than lowering rake for $100, but it'll allow keeping same structure and it won't feel rake grab. You can't after all compare rake in live tournament with online tournament.

Also, not everyone is getting 40% rakeback. Most will be getting 25% even with Millions buy-in (especially satellite qualifiers). Those (usually recs) would be most pleasantly surprised if they would get $180 rakeback instead of $75.
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Old 11-17-2017, 02:53 PM   #6054
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Re: ****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****

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Think you write well and have brought in some great changes but this line is a bit of a clanger. Suggests you guys are leveraging the rakeback offer to increase rake, which is not what regs signed up for when they moved from stars! I agree with the others who say this rake increase is significant - a bit similar to when rebuys started being raked.
Players moving over would be paying less rake. Anyway obviously this wasn't the reason for the price point, I'm just saying from overall pov we're offering basically the lowest rake vs competitors (as far as I can see)
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:32 PM   #6055
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Re: ****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****

Rake on a tournament should be just a cost of running tournament plus profit for the site. It should also be not too high, so that the games are beatable. Having a $300 rake on a $5000 tournament seems actually outrageous, you'll have the best players in the world in it and rake it 6% where the highest buyin your biggest competitor rakes 6% is $500, so 10x less. I don't think you can explain that with a rakeback, all sites offered rakeback to get people playing more, it's just ****maya who took it away. Plus, rakeback is not visible to a person who simply glances at a tournament. They will see just $100 more rake charged for no reason.

You should keep doing things better than your biggest competitor not worse and it shouldn't be difficult. And these things should be immediately obvious for the customers.
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:39 PM   #6056
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Re: ****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****

I play low-midstakes but this seems like a scumbag move , what's next oh let's make 1ks $1000+$75 , 5ks are 6% so 1ks surely can be 7.5% ?

6% rake is 6% rake , doesn't matter if people PERHAPS pay a marginally smaller amount of effective rake under certain conditions , you set a dangerous precedent that you're willing to raise rake at the expense of players .

Players pay less rake on your site because your software is literally garbage which only allows you to play a few reg speed tables stacked if you don't wanna time out 50x an hour .
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Old 11-17-2017, 03:50 PM   #6057
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Re: ****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****

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Players moving over would be paying less rake. Anyway obviously this wasn't the reason for the price point, I'm just saying from overall pov we're offering basically the lowest rake vs competitors (as far as I can see)
No they're not at this case. Even Stars is offering 5000+200 raked tournaments, and even with 25% rb (if we consider Stars having 0% for this purpose which isn't actually true) rake is effectively higher for most players playing in a single 5000+300 tournament.

Some sites in the past have actually made their 5k events online rake-free, like Ongame in the past (Grand Slam). I have never seen 300 or more rake in any 5k event ever online before this.
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Old 11-17-2017, 09:18 PM   #6058
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Re: ****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****

Party should prob run some Spin & Go satellites to the $5,3k

Players who get seat via them makes the avg. field weaker than what $5,3k normally should be, which then attracts regulars who wouldn't normally play $5,3k to take a shot (=reduce risk of overlay)
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No they're not at this case. Even Stars is offering 5000+200 raked tournaments, and even with 25% rb (if we consider Stars having 0% for this purpose which isn't actually true) rake is effectively higher for most players playing in a single 5000+300 tournament.

Some sites in the past have actually made their 5k events online rake-free, like Ongame in the past (Grand Slam). I have never seen 300 or more rake in any 5k event ever online before this.
Ah the mythical rake-free tournament.... Party actually ran one like 11 months ago as a satellite - was for 2 or 3 saturdays. Rebuys were rake-free also so plenty of tickets were distributed.

Btw this is all about profit. Look at the HUSNGS. The rake on the 1k games and above is down to like 2% and lower - it's all about what the market can sustain, and the MTT market is where the profit is atm.
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Old Yesterday, 02:17 PM   #6060
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Re: ****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****

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Party should prob run some Spin & Go satellites to the $5,3k

Players who get seat via them makes the avg. field weaker than what $5,3k normally should be, which then attracts regulars who wouldn't normally play $5,3k to take a shot (=reduce risk of overlay)
Sadly the sat spin and gos are pretty dead because the rake is HIGHER than the standard games lol. They're only a deadweight on the selection menu. Don't get too many regs either because of no tournament dollars.
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Old Today, 03:02 PM   #6061
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Re: ****Official PartyPoker/Bwin 2015 MTT Discussion Thread****

really against the fact that your 2 main sunday MTTs dont finish on a sunday and are simply Day 1A. Have been skipping them indeed.

Should be the opposite if you want to make them multiday tournaments. 1a/1b/1c should play Fri/Sat/early Sun and Day 2 on Sunday peak time.
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