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11-09-2015 , 02:05 PM
You removed a $20 turbo freezout, a $20 turbo 6max, a $20 turbo PL Hold'em and did not replace them with anything. 5 of the tournaments I used to play are gone without replacement, I'm down to 8 tourneys now.

Please add more $22 turbos and don't remove any of the existing ones, especially the rebuys.
11-09-2015 , 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lotus guardian
You removed a $20 turbo freezout, a $20 turbo 6max, a $20 turbo PL Hold'em and did not replace them with anything. 5 of the tournaments I used to play are gone without replacement, I'm down to 8 tourneys now.

Please add more $22 turbos and don't remove any of the existing ones, especially the rebuys.
the $20 turbo 6 max is there still its just changed a bit as its not listed as a turbo but if you look at the blind structure it still is
11-09-2015 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by the_bridler
When does the power series finish and what happens to the mtt schedule once it does?

Seems like there arent many changes and most tournaments have just been renamed, but i do like the addition of turbo freezeouts at 9pm.

What i dont like is the main event is re entry.Your flagship tournament should never be re entry and now it seems to have dropped to 109 buy?
Doesnt make sense for there to be the weigh in at $109 and the main event priced the same.Main should be $200 and no re entry.Recs are willing to take a shot at 200, but not 400 or 600, while regs are.This is poker for the pros,not for the people.

Other changes id like is changing the 2 $22 rebuy turbos during the daytime changed to $11 rebuy turbo so they are more affordable and cut the late reg on these a bit.

Also this 11r at 6pm should just be a standard rebuy and not half price rebuy
there is a $5,$22,$100 that all start at the same time, so your saying to change the 22 for a 10 so its 5,10,100. doesnt really make sense. and there is tons of sats to $22 events but none to $10 size.
11-09-2015 , 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coinflipper
the $20 turbo 6 max is there still its just changed a bit as its not listed as a turbo but if you look at the blind structure it still is
I only see one that begins at 20:00 EST, I was talking about one that began at 12:40 EST. I play around 9 to 17 EST.
11-09-2015 , 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lotus guardian
You removed a $20 turbo freezout, a $20 turbo 6max, a $20 turbo PL Hold'em and did not replace them with anything. 5 of the tournaments I used to play are gone without replacement, I'm down to 8 tourneys now.

Please add more $22 turbos and don't remove any of the existing ones, especially the rebuys.
Lucky one. I did go down from 3 + good satellites to 1 in total.

Terrible change. Why did you again "fix" things that were not broken, like removed 19:45 CET 3+r hyper 5k. guaranteed which for what I saw never overlayed in last months?

I'll make a longer more thorough R.I.P reply later.
11-09-2015 , 03:23 PM
Well. Let's take the good or neutral news, they're so short that it won't take long. I rather much (would) like the new generalized ticket system, but:

- Jump from 109$ to 530$ event is just far, far too long. You should have kept some kind of 200$/215$/250$ level in between
- Satellites to those events look just horrible (how about some good old turbo rebuys with 12 levels latereg + 3x add-on that actually END in decent timezone
- Tournament names should reveal better what they are... "The Right Hook" with no explanation it being Turbo Rebuy event being one good example. Tournaments should show up from main lobby WHAT kind of tournaments they are.

Personally I lost about every interest just opening Party software anymore. This being mainly result of three things:

- Destruction of satellite program
- Removal of 3+r hyper (lol, it never overlayed)
- Removal of 10+r daily satellite (21.00 CET / 20.30 CET)
- Removal of most 5$-20$ interesting turbo rebuys and so on.

These added to earlier PLO8 and other tourney removals. Whilst I would like to able to play 55+r daily, I certainly have no special interest to remove small tournaments from my program and instead add daily 55+r to accomodate them as my avg. buy-in is about 15$.

I usually played some other events too, but right now I see 0 reason to pick them from Party in comparison to some other site like 888 who has better guaranteeds. As your new otherwise interesting promo requires one to play lots of highstakes tournaments, it just gives money to top tier of players and doesn't help me staying any more.

I think you should start by removuing those half price rebuys and make them regular ones (maybe with little more higher prizepool). They are in far more greater risk to overlay than regular ones.

You could also start by making some big guaranteed "general ticket" satellites. Give them some type of starting boost by like "deposit $50 to get $5 qualifier ticket", make it 5+r to 109$ event and give it like 100 ticket guaranteed and 2+r for 55$ event and you'll get more life in your daily tournaments and more recs to participate in them which would also serve making those tournaments more soft and accessible to low-stakes players.

Few other quick suggestions:

1) Quickly re-instate $5k hyper rebuy around 2100 CET. There was a reason why it was so popular and killing it also affects negatively to other tournaments.

2) Bring us some daily (Monday-Saturday) 10-20 tickets guaranteed turbo rebuy satellite to either Main Event or giving out general 109$ tickets. You really need to keep up feeding people to tournaments or they'll die out.

3) Give us more basic "bread and butter"-tournaments. You virtually killed so many tournaments that most players will go for good. Even if I would like to grind points to your new $100k freeroll promotion it's simply not possible with so few low-midstakes tournaments without directly going for high buy-in events. For instance, there should CERTAINLY be at least one low-midstakes turbo rebuy starting each hour during European primetime. Right now there's only "The Right Hook"

I was actually keeping my hopes up this time, hoping that you would see that PokerStars recent changes give you room to expand if you just want to. I guess I was fool to even think so.
11-09-2015 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
- Satellites to those events look just horrible (how about some good old turbo rebuys with 12 levels latereg + 3x add-on that actually END in decent timezone
there is approx ~16x 5r to 109 sattys using the structure you mentioned per day. they always start at :00 and :30 but only populate in the schedule 1 hour in advance
11-09-2015 , 03:36 PM
One quick, separate note: MPN just introduced week ago many 11+r turbo rebuys starting around :00 so that there's one 11+r turbo launching every hour during European evening. They're simply CRUSHING their guaranteeds, which aren't big (1k€-2k€) but network is still much smaller that Party.

Look and learn! You really should seize the moment, with PokerStars effectively removing VIP program and 888 struggling with constant server problems.

E:
Quote:
Originally Posted by coinflipper
there is approx ~16x 5r to 109 sattys using the structure you mentioned per day. they always start at :00 and :30 but only populate in the schedule 1 hour in advance
Main problem is that they're really not turbos. They start so deep, have 6 min blinds and take easily 2 hours or more to finish. I also don't like small "winner-takes-it-all" satellites, which most of those are.
11-09-2015 , 04:09 PM
There was 2 $5r turbos with 2k and 3k guarantee now there is just one with a 2.5k guarantee please go back to having 2 of these - i always thought there was room for a couple more.

+1 for getting a mirco filter the lobby is confusing and +1 for getting the 3r hyper back
11-09-2015 , 05:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
Personally I lost about every interest just opening Party software anymore. This being mainly result of three things:

- Destruction of satellite program
- Removal of 3+r hyper (lol, it never overlayed)
- Removal of 10+r daily satellite (21.00 CET / 20.30 CET)
- Removal of most 5$-20$ interesting turbo rebuys and so on.


Few other quick suggestions:

1) Quickly re-instate $5k hyper rebuy around 2100 CET. There was a reason why it was so popular and killing it also affects negatively to other tournaments.

2) Bring us some daily (Monday-Saturday) 10-20 tickets guaranteed turbo rebuy satellite to either Main Event or giving out general 109$ tickets. You really need to keep up feeding people to tournaments or they'll die out.

3) Give us more basic "bread and butter"-tournaments. You virtually killed so many tournaments that most players will go for good. Even if I would like to grind points to your new $100k freeroll promotion it's simply not possible with so few low-midstakes tournaments without directly going for high buy-in events. For instance, there should CERTAINLY be at least one low-midstakes turbo rebuy starting each hour during European primetime. Right now there's only "The Right Hook"

I was actually keeping my hopes up this time, hoping that you would see that PokerStars recent changes give you room to expand if you just want to. I guess I was fool to even think so.
I pretty much agree to all of the above. I am fortunate to live in area where I have access to most poker rooms and new schedule of Partypoker just doesn't have almost anything worth opening the software. Also if you want to make big tournament leaderboard please make it reward success in tournaments instead of just participating. I mean if your leaderboard would give typical points distribution, where top 10 best performances of the month would count it would still be extremely important for players to play pretty much all of them. (obviously you can make "buy-in for as much money as you can- leaderboard" every now and then, but winning your way through the ranks is much more fitting to both poker and boxing world). I mean "pay us loads of money to get in this 1000$ tournament" is very thinly veiled here you could add a little more poker there.

I much rather play 10$ rebuy 3* addon with decent players than 100$ freezeout with weak players. With this schedule rebuy guys like me will probably change site.

E: Loved hyper rebuy and all the turbo rebuys I play all of them 3$+
11-09-2015 , 08:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
Well. Let's take the good or neutral news, they're so short that it won't take long. I rather much (would) like the new generalized ticket system, but:

- Jump from 109$ to 530$ event is just far, far too long. You should have kept some kind of 200$/215$/250$ level in between
- Satellites to those events look just horrible (how about some good old turbo rebuys with 12 levels latereg + 3x add-on that actually END in decent timezone
- Tournament names should reveal better what they are... "The Right Hook" with no explanation it being Turbo Rebuy event being one good example. Tournaments should show up from main lobby WHAT kind of tournaments they are.

Personally I lost about every interest just opening Party software anymore. This being mainly result of three things:

- Destruction of satellite program
- Removal of 3+r hyper (lol, it never overlayed)
- Removal of 10+r daily satellite (21.00 CET / 20.30 CET)
- Removal of most 5$-20$ interesting turbo rebuys and so on.

These added to earlier PLO8 and other tourney removals. Whilst I would like to able to play 55+r daily, I certainly have no special interest to remove small tournaments from my program and instead add daily 55+r to accomodate them as my avg. buy-in is about 15$.

I usually played some other events too, but right now I see 0 reason to pick them from Party in comparison to some other site like 888 who has better guaranteeds. As your new otherwise interesting promo requires one to play lots of highstakes tournaments, it just gives money to top tier of players and doesn't help me staying any more.

I think you should start by removuing those half price rebuys and make them regular ones (maybe with little more higher prizepool). They are in far more greater risk to overlay than regular ones.

You could also start by making some big guaranteed "general ticket" satellites. Give them some type of starting boost by like "deposit $50 to get $5 qualifier ticket", make it 5+r to 109$ event and give it like 100 ticket guaranteed and 2+r for 55$ event and you'll get more life in your daily tournaments and more recs to participate in them which would also serve making those tournaments more soft and accessible to low-stakes players.

Few other quick suggestions:

1) Quickly re-instate $5k hyper rebuy around 2100 CET. There was a reason why it was so popular and killing it also affects negatively to other tournaments.

2) Bring us some daily (Monday-Saturday) 10-20 tickets guaranteed turbo rebuy satellite to either Main Event or giving out general 109$ tickets. You really need to keep up feeding people to tournaments or they'll die out.

3) Give us more basic "bread and butter"-tournaments. You virtually killed so many tournaments that most players will go for good. Even if I would like to grind points to your new $100k freeroll promotion it's simply not possible with so few low-midstakes tournaments without directly going for high buy-in events. For instance, there should CERTAINLY be at least one low-midstakes turbo rebuy starting each hour during European primetime. Right now there's only "The Right Hook"

I was actually keeping my hopes up this time, hoping that you would see that PokerStars recent changes give you room to expand if you just want to. I guess I was fool to even think so.
Fully concur. I was a big fan of all those turbo big addon tournies and now it is a wasteland. Just to confirm, this is meant to be the permanent new schedule, and not just for the next month of promotion time?
11-09-2015 , 09:51 PM
So far:

- add a 20+ half rebuy turbo @ 23:30 or 00:00 with 3k
- add a 5+ turbo rebuy @ 23:30 or 00:00 2,5-3k
- its more room for 5+ turbo rebuys in the schedule, those games are pretty popular
-50r daily, the 109$ 50k is highly benefitting from this tourney as regs and recs have more to play and more reason to login
-Make the 50k 109$ special color!!
-microstakes filter, lowstakes filter has 0,11$-11$ games in it which is absurd.
-bring back 19:45 CET 3+r hyper 5k
Tournament names should reveal better what they are... "The Right Hook" with no explanation it being Turbo Rebuy event being one good example. Tournaments should show up from main lobby WHAT kind of tournaments they are.



BTW:
Much respect for you 100$ 50k tourney, with rake it had no overlay and this on a lame monday. Please try to keep it 50k and see what happens.
I like the idea of an 100$ major on a sunday, it gives more players the chance to play it and rebuild the playerbase.

Last edited by schmette; 11-09-2015 at 10:09 PM.
11-10-2015 , 08:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by that_anon_pgc
Please make a microstakes filter as well in the mtt lobby. No point in having 11cent mtts in the same filter as 11rebuys.
We removed some of the filters for ease of use and to remove some of the clutter from the old lobby.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Neonclaws
Fully concur. I was a big fan of all those turbo big addon tournies and now it is a wasteland. Just to confirm, this is meant to be the permanent new schedule, and not just for the next month of promotion time?
The new schedule will be permanent - the promotion is offered to run alongside the changes
We will of course continue to review and consider feedback


Thanks
11-10-2015 , 08:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by schmette
So far:

- add a 20+ half rebuy turbo @ 23:30 or 00:00 with 3k
- add a 5+ turbo rebuy @ 23:30 or 00:00 2,5-3k
- its more room for 5+ turbo rebuys in the schedule, those games are pretty popular
-50r daily, the 109$ 50k is highly benefitting from this tourney as regs and recs have more to play and more reason to login
-Make the 50k 109$ special color!!
-microstakes filter, lowstakes filter has 0,11$-11$ games in it which is absurd.
-bring back 19:45 CET 3+r hyper 5k
Tournament names should reveal better what they are... "The Right Hook" with no explanation it being Turbo Rebuy event being one good example. Tournaments should show up from main lobby WHAT kind of tournaments they are.

BTW:
Much respect for you 100$ 50k tourney, with rake it had no overlay and this on a lame monday. Please try to keep it 50k and see what happens.
I like the idea of an 100$ major on a sunday, it gives more players the chance to play it and rebuild the playerbase.
Thanks for the consolidated feedback
All comments/feedback in the thread will be reviewed and considered
With the new schedule only be live for 24 hours we will of course let things run before considering any changes - as always we will continue to monitor and review feedback weekly

Thanks

Colette
11-10-2015 , 09:11 AM
wow party actually gunning for that #2 spot right now! I have to say well done GREAT improvements in your schedule.
11-10-2015 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDegenFund
wow party actually gunning for that #2 spot right now! I have to say well done GREAT improvements in your schedule.
+1, might make my first deposit.
11-10-2015 , 10:45 AM
ill give some positive review to 1 aspect i noticed yesterday:

-the $109 turbo structure with 8 min levels. it may have just been sample size but i was itm in both the 17:00 est and 21:00 est versions and avg stack was 20-30bbs on the FT bubble/FT starts, this is AWESOME and hope its a product of the new structure and not a fluke.

recommendation for a change you can make to 2 sattellites:

@ :15 and @ :45 of every hour you currently have a $5.50 and $11 re-entry sattys to $55 buyin. its a bit excessive that they kind of cannabalize each other for the same target. so i think you can make 2 changes.

-separate them so one is @ :15 and the other @ :45
-the current structure of both is 20k stack 3 min blinds so 'hyper turbo' i would prefer to see both adopt the 50k stack 6min blind level of the $22 to $109 sattys, at the very least apply it to the $11 one.
11-10-2015 , 11:23 AM
What about the 10usd 6max Super Bounty? I see there is one at 18:00 CET which is great but there used to be two, one starting at 17:00 CET. I think those were very popular among both recs and regs... What about to put one more of those either after 17:00 CET or around 19:30 CET? It seems like these timeslots could use one small fun tournament between bigger ones starting at x:00 or between satellites...
11-10-2015 , 05:58 PM
anyone else disconnecting tonight? autofolded much EV because of this, works perfect on all other sites.
11-10-2015 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by DBerglin
anyone else disconnecting tonight? autofolded much EV because of this, works perfect on all other sites.
yep, as we speak again

edit: and again
11-10-2015 , 06:08 PM
ok now its impossible to play a single hand.. wtf is this.
11-10-2015 , 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDegenFund
wow party actually gunning for that #2 spot right now! I have to say well done GREAT improvements in your schedule.
+1
11-10-2015 , 06:14 PM
timing out on top set in the 350, ughhhh
11-10-2015 , 06:34 PM
i actually have been having about almost zero disconnections problems for months now, playing on bwin.be client tho
11-11-2015 , 06:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DBerglin
anyone else disconnecting tonight? autofolded much EV because of this, works perfect on all other sites.
Hi all

We did experience a small window of disconnections last night for around 45mins to an hour
The team have identified the issue and resolved in full
Apologies

Kind regards,

Colette

      
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