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09-13-2016 , 07:21 AM
makes no sense that you guys dont have any good $11 flagships, just goes from 5.50 to 22$ with nothing in between.. look at the sunday $11 powerfest was massive
09-13-2016 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Wolfenzik
Why are there 102+7 knockouts but 100+9 superknockouts? DO YOU EVEN LOGIC?!?
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Originally Posted by Tilltard
Party, why don't you offer 22-24$ STT SNG satellites into the 109s? Seems like the mega sattys into these events always get good registration, why not run STT's at all times?
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Originally Posted by gettym
makes no sense that you guys dont have any good $11 flagships, just goes from 5.50 to 22$ with nothing in between.. look at the sunday $11 powerfest was massive

As always - feedback shared with the team

Regarding the $11 powerfest event -this was the main event for our Featherweight week and our powerfest events usually attract a larger than normal field though of course I have added this to previous feedback regarding the same with regards to our $11 offering
09-13-2016 , 10:12 AM
is sit and go hero included in sit and go challenges generally? Website is unclear on that issue
09-13-2016 , 10:55 AM
Is there any chance you would run Seat only satellites to the Carribean Poker Party tournament ($2750). For some of us a $8,000 package isn't very attractive for a $2750 buyin tournament...
09-14-2016 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by the4bettingmonk
is sit and go hero included in sit and go challenges generally? Website is unclear on that issue
Are you referring to the SNG Mission?
No - SNG HERO is not included in the missions

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Originally Posted by gettym
Is there any chance you would run Seat only satellites to the Carribean Poker Party tournament ($2750). For some of us a $8,000 package isn't very attractive for a $2750 buyin tournament...
For now its package only as the team want to offer a unique week poker holiday - this includes flights, all inclusive hotel and the buy in
Also included are several off the felt activities throughout the week with the host team
09-14-2016 , 07:39 AM
So when is this tournament rethink occurring? Very bored of current one
09-14-2016 , 08:26 AM
Hi all

Please be advised I am out of office until Tuesday 20th attending a live poker event
My response on here shall be delayed and minimal until my return

Thanks

Colette
09-15-2016 , 09:35 AM
Some Feedback to your Pokerfest. IT TAKES TOO LONG

20:00CET 109$ takes way to long for a weekday mtt.
it took so far
50k 109 6m 07:16CET
100k 109 8:43
100k 109 7:47

at least for me it takes way to long, so i am skipping all of them.
What do you expect will recs do when they find out their mtt take 11-12h, nobody in eu who is playing for fun with a job could play those games.

I don't know if more players skip it because it takes way to long.

HR 530$ took between 6:30 and 7:00

not sure if that's a problem too.

At least i would wish to shorten the finishing times of those mtts, that more rec players would be able to play.

Some options would be to shorten the overall min/lvl or reduce beginning min/lvl and increase min/lvl in the end again, or start those long running mtts @ 18:00 and bring the smaller versions @ 20:00 with a faste structures that those mtt would end approx at the same time.
If you start those games @ 18:00 LR would be still availabe for 4h!!!! So everybody could still LR if they want to play those games.
The 20:00 version could have the old Uppercut 15min/lvl .
HR 530$ could easily start back @ 19:00 (if its pokerfest) and finish approx at the same time like the 109 18:00 and the 20:00 109$ game.

I know you already tried to make the HR start @ 19:00 which wasnt a success?

would love to hear some other opinions on this topic.
09-15-2016 , 09:55 AM
yea i skip them ^^

if you want long structures just pause them after 8 hours and have a day 2
09-15-2016 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Interesting.... would think they'd be popular if launched.
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Originally Posted by the_bridler
Sounds crazy not to offer sats to these mains
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
+1. At least you should run one megasat to both with like 100 seats guaranteed to give lowrollers a chance to take part.
Has this feedback been shared Colette?

RE: No sats to $55 or higher flagship MTTs.
09-15-2016 , 05:48 PM
Lag is back with tournament registrations. Did hit at worst possible time.

Hopefully an isolated incident, but damage is already done. Could you check with your programmers, no internet connection issues whatsoever and tables were running smoothly (Party tables as well).
09-15-2016 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by schmette
Some Feedback to your Pokerfest. IT TAKES TOO LONG

20:00CET 109$ takes way to long for a weekday mtt.
it took so far
50k 109 6m 07:16CET
100k 109 8:43
100k 109 7:47

at least for me it takes way to long, so i am skipping all of them.
What do you expect will recs do when they find out their mtt take 11-12h, nobody in eu who is playing for fun with a job could play those games.

I don't know if more players skip it because it takes way to long.

HR 530$ took between 6:30 and 7:00

not sure if that's a problem too.

At least i would wish to shorten the finishing times of those mtts, that more rec players would be able to play.

Some options would be to shorten the overall min/lvl or reduce beginning min/lvl and increase min/lvl in the end again, or start those long running mtts @ 18:00 and bring the smaller versions @ 20:00 with a faste structures that those mtt would end approx at the same time.
If you start those games @ 18:00 LR would be still availabe for 4h!!!! So everybody could still LR if they want to play those games.
The 20:00 version could have the old Uppercut 15min/lvl .
HR 530$ could easily start back @ 19:00 (if its pokerfest) and finish approx at the same time like the 109 18:00 and the 20:00 109$ game.

I know you already tried to make the HR start @ 19:00 which wasnt a success?

would love to hear some other opinions on this topic.

If you don't have time why don't you play a turbo? Please don't ruin it for the rest of us. There are far too many turbos and -ev MTTs already.
09-15-2016 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Adjusted
If you don't have time why don't you play a turbo? Please don't ruin it for the rest of us. There are far too many turbos and -ev MTTs already.
Dont get me wrong, i have time, but schedule is usually finished @ 03:00 while Pokerfest takes till 07:00. So why would i play it?

Thats why i asked for more opinions, bc im aware that im not alone on this planet.

To make them Day2 would be probably super nuts if they can do it. All players who are in Day2 would be inclined to play more Games on Day2. So this would be a benefit.
09-15-2016 , 08:25 PM
I think for sure they'd be better as 2-days, but they're on the boarder of tolerable as 1-days. Sure they finish late, but aren't you already up to 4-5am automatically with wcoop going on? Not often you're gonna run deeper than 3am. It's true that if there was no wcoop going on I wouldn't play the 20:00 powerfest.
09-15-2016 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
I think for sure they'd be better as 2-days
No. No. No. Worst idea in a long time.

Wonder why there's no more Powerfests starting around 16:00 CET though. Their late registration is after all over 4 hours, so people can jump in late. Probably even 14:00 starting would make 20k$ guaranteed, as 18:00 starter has simply crushed it. Hell, even their 01:00 CET is making to 20k$ even though it lasts like ages and late reg closes around 04:30 CET.

Overall awesome performance, while series itself is rather boring. Looks good on Party as they're really forcing their way as #2 site in MTTs and actually I wouldn't be surprised if they would overtake Stars mantle in a few years. While I don't agree with all their decisions for instance about abandoning non-texas variants etc. their plan for aggresive growth in vanilla tournaments does seem to work.
09-15-2016 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
No. No. No. Worst idea in a long time.
How so?
09-15-2016 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
How so?
Would cut off those players who have one evening / night free, mainly recs. And a lot of them. Even every reg who plans to have day off with planned program would have to skip not just 1 day of tournaments but 2. It's usually better to miss one nights sleep and win money than having to plan everything as you would have to play not just today but next day as well. Even more frustrating to play full day1, then make new plans and return to day2 just bust in first hours.

Party tournaments doesn't even last that long. $200k guaranteed (largest field) did last little over 13 hours last Sunday. And that's biggest one, others last shorter time. No need to cut that in half like 6 hours + 6 hours. And you can late reg at them if that's too long for your stamina (although I think most people would get enough adrenaline in the end game to keep going).
09-15-2016 , 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
Would cut off those players who have one evening / night free, mainly recs. And a lot of them. Even every reg who plans to have day off with planned program would have to skip not just 1 day of tournaments but 2. It's usually better to miss one nights sleep and win money than having to plan everything as you would have to play not just today but next day as well. Even more frustrating to play full day1, then make new plans and return to day2 just bust in first hours.

Party tournaments doesn't even last that long. $200k guaranteed (largest field) did last little over 13 hours last Sunday. And that's biggest one, others last shorter time. No need to cut that in half like 6 hours + 6 hours. And you can late reg at them if that's too long for your stamina (although I think most people would get enough adrenaline in the end game to keep going).
If I was a poker enthusiast with a 9-5 job there'd be absolutely no way I'd play something that lasts till 7am, but I would definitely consider something that pauses at 1-2am. Winamax does this amazingly and has huge fields in its series. Ideally, mtts targeted at eurozone (starting time between 16-21 CET) would either finish before 3-4am or pause 1-2am. This is what would be optimal for a recreational player with a job. Maybe you prefer not sleeping a night but I can't imagine the majority of people feels that way.

13 hours starting at 20:00 is just a nightmare, even with my current adjusted wcoop sleep schedule. It'll be a terrible experience for any recreational that goes deep and didn't realise beforehand how slow the structure played.
09-16-2016 , 01:34 AM
Reading that last few pages it seems people want...

1) More games (I would love to play far more on party but there simply isn't enough games running)

2) Potentially shorter games (which Regs would like to end their sessions with and provide recreational players the opportunity to "give it another go" after busting a flagship without worrying that they may be up until 4am or whatever. I personal love how the structure is for your games and don't wish to see a change but like others have said you cant play all of them them half way through your session or whatever because they take too long

3) Some different buy-ins between the flag ships. ($11 games are quite important overall I think. They provide most Regular and Recreational players the ability to play with smaller bankrolls instead of jumping from $5 all the way to $20. They are high enough that most higher stakes Regs can use them as table-fillers. And they will provide a large enough prize pool to interest most players (some $5 games take too long and are not that juicy IMO)

It would seem that some "$11 Side Events Turbos" by that i mean 8 minute blinds and the structure akin to the 6max events should go down really well; particularly ones late but not too late in the evening so they can finish around 2am-3am. And these could start 30 minutes past the hour which still goes with your ethos of having your tournaments more like major events that start on the hour and then ones that start at 30 minutes past are officially "Side Events"

Forgive me for going on about it but this is pretty must exactly what i posted at the beginning of the summer and it was suggested that these would be added after the summer-slump
09-16-2016 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente

13 hours starting at 20:00 is just a nightmare, even with my current adjusted wcoop sleep schedule. It'll be a terrible experience for any recreational that goes deep and didn't realise beforehand how slow the structure played.
Umm if that's your nightmare, gimme it. Certainly any rec who would get in FT or near it in major event would be having terrible experience, for sure. You seem to forget that not all or event major portion of players actually play more than lets say, 7-8 hours. And that 13 hours was the largest tournament in a week with $10M tournament series going on, not some generic daily tournament.

ThePokerBot is right, more games needed. Last few weeks when I have grinded in Party I have actually overcome my earlier huge distaste for software, as it isn't so bad if you don't play in lots of sites. But problem is that you don't have enough games if one wants to play even few tables. Rebuys, this time with good structures not some stupid failed X lvl latereg Y lvl rebuys which failed miserably?

Some mid-high stakes tournament should really fill 21:00 ET place, imo. There's currently just 1 22$ 6-max turbo as only one which starts between 20 CET and 22 CET. Maybe some 22$ rebuy which starts @ 20.30 CET, with 8 lvls latereg, rebuys and add-on with 10 mins levels? Late reg would close just little after 22 CET break. Give it a try, start with 10k$ guaranteed and it'll thrive.
09-16-2016 , 05:59 AM
Pokerstars has made a huge mistake with their diminishing of vanilla MTTs and replacing them with casino style spins, turbos and bounties with excessive rake. Please please please don't follow in their footsteps. The people complaining itt about tournies being too long please stfu and play turbos instead or go over to stars where you can play casino poker.
09-16-2016 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Has this feedback been shared Colette?

RE: No sats to $55 or higher flagship MTTs.
Yes above feedback was shared


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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
Lag is back with tournament registrations. Did hit at worst possible time.

Hopefully an isolated incident, but damage is already done. Could you check with your programmers, no internet connection issues whatsoever and tables were running smoothly (Party tables as well).
I am unaware of any issues last night I will of course raise with tech and ask them to investigate

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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
I think for sure they'd be better as 2-days, but they're on the boarder of tolerable as 1-days. Sure they finish late, but aren't you already up to 4-5am automatically with wcoop going on? Not often you're gonna run deeper than 3am. It's true that if there was no wcoop going on I wouldn't play the 20:00 powerfest.
2 day events we have trialed recently with our Online GPPT
I believe these work well for our larger flagship tournaments however I dont think we would have the player support to run these regularly during peak seasons for our power series MTTs etc
Feedback from various sources is mixed though I believe the majority prefer to play them as they are - sorry
Regarding the speed of the current MTTs - again as you can see opinions are divided

Other feedback regarding our current offerings etc has been noted and will be shared

Thanks all
09-17-2016 , 09:11 AM
I like to grind long sessions during these festivals but having 100 freezeouts going on until 8 or 9 in the morning for Europe is obviously outrageous. The majority of poker players finish around 2-3am CEST and are happy playing until 4-5am if they go deep. I've had no choice but to avoid all the powerfest tournaments with exception of the freezeouts that start at 4pm.

The standard 15m blind structure is pretty good anyway so I think either stick with that or perhaps introduce day 2's for the 6pm and 8pm powerfests if you want to stick with 20m blinds.
09-17-2016 , 10:23 AM
Always the same people complaining about Powerfest structures/start times and what not. It does suck to live in an European time zone, that I understand. It makes sense that Powerfest levels are 20min instead of the normal 15min. They also have turbos if you want to play those.

I also agree with suggestion to introduce day 2's for the huge field main events, I think both recs and regs would approve. But worsening a structure or having day 2's every day is pretty lame.

I mean for once a site is not copying everything Pokerstars is doing...let them do their thing - it's working so far.
09-17-2016 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexos
Always the same people complaining about Powerfest structures/start times and what not. It does suck to live in an European time zone, that I understand. It makes sense that Powerfest levels are 20min instead of the normal 15min. They also have turbos if you want to play those.

I also agree with suggestion to introduce day 2's for the huge field main events, I think both recs and regs would approve. But worsening a structure or having day 2's every day is pretty lame.

I mean for once a site is not copying everything Pokerstars is doing...let them do their thing - it's working so far.
amen.

      
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