Wow you simply can't ban the guy with QQ, that's outrageous.

I agree if this paragraphs of T&C are true. That they alow pretty much party to do whatever they want whenever they want specialy this parts

Unfair Advantages Policy:
Where we in our absolute discretion determines an unfair practice has taken place (whether an advantage has been gained or not).....

We reserve the right to void and withhold any or all winnings made by any person or group of persons..... where We have reasonable grounds to believe that said person or group of persons is acting or has acted in liaison in an attempt to defraud or damage Us and/or the Group and/or the Facilities and/or the Platforms in any way.

This parts that sadly we all agree to, gives right to party to decide what is fair and what is damaging their platform

Could you do something about the buyin pop up where you click either ticket or cash. The button for the ticket buyin always looks like it's not available.

If I was PartyPoker instead of banning them I would instead try to settle with these players and offer them some nice deal that triples their buyin or something. I don't care if the players in question made a deal on skype or w/ever to go allin blind or whatever. It's almost certain they did, but there's zero way to prove it. Them being Russian or best friends doesn't prove ****. The only thing that can be proven is that Party promised the following things:

-Tournament has a 100k guarantee
-Tournament is guaranteed to run if it gets 3 players.

When you think about this from the perspectives of all three players, it's completely plausible that instead of colliding, it went like this:

BTN has A9o: "Wow only 3 players playing, there's overlay! I have A9o, I think the highest EV is to jam and hope to get a flip. If they don't call I'll just play normally". THIS IS NOT COLLUSION. This is what I would call completely standard play. And making this play should in no way make you guilty of anything because he's the *first* person to do anything. You have 60 seconds (or whatever) to make this decision. It's not like you have time to go over the TOS for something like this. It's Party's own screw-up that has landed you in this spot to begin with. It's not Who Wants To Be A Millionaire where you can use a lifeline to call a friend and ask for help to maximize EV. When you are presented with a riddle like this by the poker site, you go for what you think is the best possible decision. I would 100% have done the same thing against two random players. Curious to see if Party will ban my account too for this statement.

SB has QQ: "I have QQ. Wow that guy shoves 250BB wtf? I have to call, I have QQ, maybe he misclicked the allin button and I get to flip vs his BTN open range?". This decision is just superstandard even if there were 100 players in the tourney already.

BB: This is the only actually questionable one. For him to call K3o he literally has to realize the situation. He's the only guy here who I would consider disqualifying. But still, he's not breaking TOS. He has to call 2600 to play for a "pot" of 100k. It's an atc call obviously. There's no way you can ban his account or confiscate his funds.


I guess another way to look at it would be to dq BB and BTN and give the whole $100k to SB? I mean he literally plays as he would regardless of how many participants there are. He's doing nothing wrong. On what grounds can you possibly disqualify SB here? He registered a tournament that promised a 100k guarantee if at least 3 people register. Then some guy goes allin first hand and he has QQ so he obv calls. I would be pretty ****ing pissed off to find out that Party a) doesn't honor their own guarantee b) banned my account. I'd already be talking to the gaming commission at this point. Even if these guys agreed over skype to collude, there's no collusion in his play. Every single click of a mouse he made in this tournament was completely normal from a non-overlay perspective. There is not one whiff he did questionably. So if you disqualify BTN too (questionable), then technically this guy should get the $100k. In no universe the $100k lands back in Party's hands since the tournament met the criteria they themselves set for it.

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Is it fairly obvious that Party made a mistake and that these three guys tried to take advantage of it? Sure. But in the end is it any different from overlay hunting we all do every now and then? When you play on Christmas eve because guarantees don't fill up do you consider yourself breaking TOS? This was the first time this has happened, I assume the first time any of these players have been suspected of anything. They aren't serial colluders like the people in those Stars satties Pads mentioned. It's very different to plan something in advance as opposed to taking advantage of a situation that arises unexpectedly. Again, THIS is why it's completely lol******ed to consider any kind of sanctions to any of the players (assuming no proof of collusion in chat etc):

It's a unique situation they have never faced before. They are now facing it because of Party's mistake. They didn't sign up for this ****. They are all players who play this tournament on the regular and (I assume) preregged it. They did nothing out of the ordinary, were just getting ready to play their favourite highroller bowlcomp, and BOOM they have this extremely weird situation slapped in their faces where they have 60 seconds to react. They clearly don't have anywhere near enough time to figure out how to play this ballgame they didn't sign up for. It's obvious after 10 seconds of thinking that the most optimal solution for each player is to go allin "blind" for 250BB. In a $2600 tournament! I'm sure anyone would feel uneasy about doing that. And there are additional layers too - for example what if you're backed? I wouldn't enjoy explaining my backer (not that I have one) that I called a 250BB shove with K5o in a $2600 tournament and lost. The timebank they have is not enough to go over the T&C or contact some Party rep. They have to go with their gut and try to maximize ev which is what we all try to do as poker players every day. It's just ridicilous to even consider any option below refunding the players their buyins and reinstating their accounts/funds. And if I was one of the players I wouldn't be satisfied with just that.

This was 100% Party's mistake, and again caused by their ******ed structrures that force people to late reg. I don't know who thought it would be a great idea to put the min players at 3, but it's his fault and not the players'. It's obviously an honest mistake, and if I was one of these players I'd be happy to settle for significantly less than the 100k prizepool. But I sure would ask for a hell lot more than my account back because there's 0% chance Party's case here holds in any court (+ bad PR for not honoring their guarantees).

Lastly it's pretty laughable how Pads jumps in this thread to defend every action by Party ever. Biased much? I find you a very inspirational poster and one of the biggest endbosses but come on man. If you weren't sponsored by them I highly doubt you'd have these same views. If I went through all of your staking group's chat transcripts I would bet money that you'd have said something along the lines of "this day is a good day to play because sometimes stuff gets overlay" / "this tournament often has overlay" etcetc. Or even if you haven't, I can assure you that every other backer in the world has at some point. Encouraging horses to play in overlay tournaments is waaay more closer to breaking TOS than what can be proven these guys did. They are all nosebleed regs playing in a tournament they play every week and it's very far from trying to intentionally do anything. This is a completely different scenario from the Stars satty colliders you brought up.*


*I'm not naive and sure, I assume the guys made a deal over skype here. But the burden of evidence is completely on Party. I think it's completely plausible that even in reality all these guys only realized what was happening when the tournament had already started, and were just planning to play normally. Or maybe they spotted overlay and regged, not to do precisely this, but just hoping that maybe it doesn't get enough players to reach the guarantee (hoping to print a 5% edge or whatever). And only AFTER they were already in they needed to figure out how to react. So it's a mess they landed in because of Party, not one they invited upon themselves, and that's a huge huge difference. Imagine three of your horses regging some tournament on some site only to notice no one else came to play, and this happening. I doubt you'd be posting what you're posting here now as a Party rep.

And again, why are you so sure party has to proove something here? There T&C say they don't have to. It's at their sole discretion. Does that seam fair? Not to me! Does that matter? Actually, no. Who is regulating party, what power does the regulator have. Does the regulator think those T&C are OK (not fair!)? I don't know, but thats actually what matters if the players involved here are not satisfied with whatever party has decided here. (do we actually know what happend to their accs, are they all closed? Didn't pads post some skype log here which showed one of them thanking him for getting his acc back?)

And while I agree that there is not enough time to double check T&C in such a spot, does that matter? The answer in my opinion is no again, every player who signed up confirmed that he read and understood those. If you did not understand them, you were not supposed to give that confirmation.

After rereading the T&Cs the other day (yes, I do actually read them before singing up in the first place) there just is room for interpretation. And for the sake of transparency I think its super important for Party to share with us how the interpret what happen, how they ruled (based on which T&C paragraph) etc.

While almost all online gameing sites reserve a whole bunch of questionable rights in their T&Cs I guess it is important for them that players trust in their situational jugements and don't fear some decision making like a crazy landlord in the Middle Ages exploiting the power discrepancy to the hardest.

I guess my point was, in a vacuum Party's approach here should not be "Let's ban these players lacking any proof, confiscate their funds and keep the $100k ourselves", but rather "****, we ****ed up, paying $92200 extra is clearly way too much, how can we rectify this?". That's the difference the burden of proof creates IMO.

I guess these companies are usually pretty well protected by their t&c but on a quick read Party's still leaves quite a bit of room for interpretation here.

What if they had been dealt KK, AA and AA? Would Party have just shrugged off the 92k as **** happens? I don't think so. In that case they couldn't have used the collusion excuse but I'm sure they would still have canceled the tournament afterwards and offered some small compensation (and the forums would be exploding at the injustice the players suffered). This case just isn't that different from that as long as there's no proof.

edit, delete this post mod, pls.

Hey

The main point from TOC people quoted was "in an attempt to damage".

If party is going to overlay by 100 players and I stake 40 into
The game who wouldn't normally play, that isn't "damaging" party. If anything it's the opposite, it's saving them money.

The SHR has never overlaid or came close to it.

Regarding "the guy who put min 3 players should be accountable" this is industry standard, check stars tournaments. The Sunday grand for example
Is min 3 and most/all the other tournaments too. People don't exploit it because they know stars wouldn't have it.

Regarding me "backing" or "sticking up for" party. All of the stuff I posted is pretty standard and what I believe otherwise I'd be on stars every day shoving all in pre with my friends in satalites and hsmtts with low starting runners.

Anyway, see my messages above, I helped biack get his account re-opened and working with the other players too. I've been away for a couple of days, but whilst playing 12 tables on Sunday I was speaking with totti and assuring I'd do everything to help them out their side of the story across and that they got a fair trial. My responsibility isn't to lick pp ass itt, it's to be a link between site and player and to help get their point across. I try to do that everyday, when there's something itt that gets posted I try to respond to it and explain the thought process. Sorry if it seems too much.

1 - Can we get an automatic buyin feature so that when we click register we don't have to click on another pop up to confirm?

2 - Is there a way to make the font bigger because its so tiny, especially on my 2048x1125 resolution monitor?

Ty for sticking with this case and doing your best to work as a bridge between the 3 affected players and Party to find some amiable solution to this.

My advice is don't quote other sites as justification for what Party does or doesn't do. First off you're very mistaken on what Amaya does in situations like overlay scammers. I've watched and then dealt with over 100 players from over 25 obvious colluding teams and the "results" greatly differ. Refunds to innocent parties who late reg into a 3-man shove differ greatly as well. Basically you don't know what you're talking about for other sites. Best to stick with what you know or have some input on... which is Party Poker.

As Chuck said some type of compromise is in order unless Party has evidence that these 3 players have done this trick before. It might have been a 109 sat to a 530 from 4 months ago? If they've done that then getting to keep their accounts should be viewed as a blessing. If this is the 1st time then there is no way the QQ hand should be banned.

Most importantly is how could this error happen from Party's POV?
Why are there no safeguards in place? (there are several)
What changes is Party going to do moving forward?

I mean I d be so fuming if I was the QQ guy regardless of anything

Any chance of getting some those large field Powerfests with deep structure as 2-day events?

The schedule for the upcoming series is finalized and on the website >

https://www.partypoker.com/whats-goi...fest-2016.html

Phased tourneys will be considered as a possibility for the next series

that series looks awesome!

There is also a leaderboard element

https://www.partypoker.com/whats-goi...derboards.html

Hi,
its really not cool when i am automaticly registered to a tournament running for an hour when the same tourney jast started 3 min ago.
That makes no sense to play such satelites, so i will stop playing in them if that is not planned to change...

on top of that its an turbo turnament so i startet with 15 bb. who creates such stupid satelites???

Thats a nice looking series but please run $5 and $11 sats to the $109 events and maybe consider some phase sats to the highroller events or just to the highroller main

incredible schedule

Can you confirm to which game you are referring?
This sounds like the promotional feeders which are set up to feed players directly into the next step even if the game has started though remains in late reg period
The idea is to keep the sat tree running fluidly and offering players as many games as possible with the chance to quickly move up the tree to win the $109 or event tickets
The auto feed is only for the promotional sats not the standard satellites

The $22 sats feed to the $109 events
If you check the lobby and click View Satellites you can then again click on the $22 events to see the $5.50 sats
There will be no direct $5.50 sats to $109 events
The tree works as follows $5.50 > $22 > $109 > $530

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That was in the Caribbean Qualifiers. I somehow understand that you get autoregistered to reach guaranties, but that was not the case here. The one at
19:00 and the one at 20:00 both lead to the same final. So when it is after 20:00 and both satelites do have no guaranties why would i be registered into the first one in level 8. That makes no sense.

Can you not also show some flexability with the sats and add some $11 sats to $109s

I was unbanned today (2600 was returned), I do not have claims to the party.

Thanks to all the adequate guys in thist hread, you are best <3 (I will not write to you in chat)