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08-06-2016 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by profek20
Before mtt schedule changes over half year ago there was 2 good omaha high low tournanents.

Daily 22$ hl and weekly 55$ hl. Please restore these tournaments
beacsue is a poor omaha8 schedule atm. Just omaha tourneys with bi range 5-11$

No Majors

Please please please this. It seems like interest in the PLO tourneys has increased lately and now would be an ideal time to add in a daily midstakes O8.
08-07-2016 , 12:45 AM
hey guys i mostly play on stars and play low stakes mtt especially the hots, turbos etc. I would like to play tourneys that are in the 55 and under range. So basically from 11-55 though would prefer it to be 22 range etc.


I took a look at the schedule and there seems to be 3 tourneys daily with 22 dollar buyin where guarantee is sort of low from 6k to 10k but i do see the 20k guarantee for these middleweight tournaments. I mostly play the hots and bigs from 11 to 22s on stars and like those structures. Though after stars make changes to the tournaments, i didn't like it as much as the structure seem to be a bit different.


I looked and notice you start with 30k chips... 12 minute levels and it goes very slowly. First off, doesn't that mean the first hour or so is basically pointless? I mean, if you are starting super deep, assuming most players don't play super loose, is there really a point of even playing those first levels? So its 3 hour late registration? Can someone here mention how long late regging these tournaments would be fine? So how long does it even take to make it ITM in these then? I wanted to start playing on partypoker but after looking at that structure, this seems though not close to winning poker network where its 5 hour late reg and tourneys take so long to even make itm and of course taking very long for tournament.
08-07-2016 , 12:51 AM
Also are there any turbo tournaments similar to like those hots on stars?
08-07-2016 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleGoliath
Just a quick suggestion, pls give me your thoughts guys.

75/150 10 min (1)
100/200 10 min (2)
150/300 10 min (3)
200/400 10 min (4)
250/500 10 min (5)
300/600 10 min (6)
400/800 10 min (7)
500/1000 10 min (8)
600/1200 10 min (9)
800/1600 10 min (10)
1000/2000 10 min (11)
1200/2400 10 min (12)

Close late reg after two hours instead of three.

1200/2400 12 min (13)
1500/3000 12 min (14)
1750/3500 12 min (15) (bc jump from 3k to 4k is rather huge)
2000/4000 12 min (16)
2500/5000 12 min (17)
3000/6000 12 min (18)
3500/7000 12 min (19) (again jump is too big)
4000/8000 12 min (20)
5000/10000 12 min (21)
6000/12000 12 min (22)

4 hours in now.

7000/14000 16 min (23)
8000/16000 16 min (24)
10000/20000 16 min (25)
12000/24000 16 min (26)
15000/30000 16 min (27)
17500/35000 16 min (28)
20000/40000 16 min (29)
25000/50000 16 min (30)
30000/60000 16 min (31)
35000/70000 16 min (32)
40000/80000 16 min (33)
50000/100000 16 min (34)
60000/120000 16 min (35)
75000/150000 16 min (36)
...

From wat I gathered from ps feedback/ranting about their change of structures, people like to be itm rather fast, and have enough room to manoeuvre towards the end. So I tried to come up with a structure which creates both. Usually from a 30k starting stack, we end up itm around bb5k bb6k bb8k sometimes. In the current structure, this is usually about 4 hours/4.5 hours in, which seems too slow imho. With my proposed structure,
we will reach itm about an hour earlier, but the deeper play towards the end definitely makes up for that.

Let's say with avg 400 playing field (12 mil chips in play), avg is about 400k last 3 tabs, 600k last 2 tabs, and 1.2 mil for final table. Let's assume avg is about 30bb now.

Last 3 tables => avg 400k => bb12k (+- 4 hours in)
Last 2 tables => avg 600k => bb20k (+- 4.5/5 hours in)
Final table => avg 1.2 mil => bb40k (+- 5.5 hours in)

So to conclude we would:

Reach itm => 3 hours in
Last 3 tabs => 4 hours in
Last 2 tabs => 4.5/5 hours in
Final table => 5.5/6 hours in

And then play on ft for approx 2 more hours max.

I'll now try to compare with what you are currently offering, i'll assume same playing and avg stack, which could be a bit off but will be accurate enough for a comparison still.

Reach itm => 4/4.25 hours in
Last 3 tabs => 4.75/5 hours in
Last 2 tabs => 5.5 hours in
Final table => 6.25 hours in

You might see now why some people think your structure is flawed towards the end. To be precise, the stage leading up to itm is too long, while the stage leading up to the final table is too short.

Feel free to give feedback guys. Think it's a viable option.
+1 lewks vewy naizz
08-07-2016 , 07:13 AM
make a dark/black skin pls
08-07-2016 , 02:30 PM
so deepsee, biack and nicecallLOL decided to chop the 2600 3 ways 1 minute into the trny. what will happen about that?
08-07-2016 , 03:24 PM
How did only 3 players end up registering?
08-07-2016 , 05:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnCleese
How did only 3 players end up registering?
every1 late reg's , they did it right at start of tourney
08-07-2016 , 05:48 PM
It seems like they re-scheluded it to start 1,5 hours later. Would be interesting to know what happens to players in first one.
08-07-2016 , 07:05 PM
none of them played the rescheduled tournament, so i have a hunch
08-08-2016 , 01:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1_conor_b_1
so deepsee, biack and nicecallLOL decided to chop the 2600 3 ways 1 minute into the trny. what will happen about that?
they should be banned.
08-08-2016 , 04:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1_conor_b_1
so deepsee, biack and nicecallLOL decided to chop the 2600 3 ways 1 minute into the trny. what will happen about that?
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnCleese
How did only 3 players end up registering?
Quote:
Originally Posted by TreadLightly
every1 late reg's , they did it right at start of tourney
Quote:
Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
It seems like they re-scheluded it to start 1,5 hours later. Would be interesting to know what happens to players in first one.
Quote:
Originally Posted by random btn
none of them played the rescheduled tournament, so i have a hunch
Quote:
Originally Posted by ignorant0
they should be banned.

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08-08-2016 , 05:03 AM
Any word on how the 2.6k situation was handled? Bc truthfully jamming in their situation regardless of their background is the only strategically sound move
08-08-2016 , 05:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blakkman08
Any word on how the 2.6k situation was handled? Bc truthfully jamming in their situation regardless of their background is the only strategically sound move
I can not share any further information - sorry
08-08-2016 , 06:22 AM
Sure but what if such a thing happened in the uppercut today. Four guys early reg and rest of world somehow isn't in there yet. Clearly the ev of jamming is higher for all of us than playing proper. Is this thinking flawed / collusion or legitimate? Because I cbf losing my account over this but if I had been in their spot my stack would be in the middle instantly
08-08-2016 , 07:10 AM
^^

The man makes a fair point. Assuming all 3 players realise their stack their stack is worth $33k and jam the first hand without any discussion between them how can they be punished for it?

Bit like when you play blackjack and the top card gets exposed as a ace and you know your getting it next hand. Can guarantee the maximum bet is going on, pretty similar situation just a massive advantage play.
08-08-2016 , 07:11 AM
I am not sure the EV of openshoving BTN 3handed is the highest in case you didn't collude to go all-in with the other two. I actually don't think it is.

In this case veeea (deepsee) shoved BTN A9o, hello_totti (nicecallLOL) calls SB with QQ, Biack calls K3o in the BB. They are all russian HSMTT regs, seems like a pretty clear case of collusion to me.

You have to be pretty ***** stupid to do this for 33k. Very likely you aren't even able to cash it out, and you most likely get banned too. The EV they give up by not being able to grind on party is so much higher.

I wonder who of these three dolts proposed to do this. Russians...
08-08-2016 , 07:14 AM
That's why I am asking what the ruling in cases like this is based on partypoker terms of service. Because going on each of their stacks is worth 2.8k. I m sure anybody would gladly swap that for 33k if it's playing by the rules.

Collette for future reference what says your TOS for such cases. If it was rolled back why was that the case?
08-08-2016 , 08:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ORLY???
I am not sure the EV of openshoving BTN 3handed is the highest in case you didn't collude to go all-in with the other two. I actually don't think it is.
If you don't openshove and start playing you will end up sharing the prizepool with a lot more people. Obviously openshoving is the way to go. I'm sure they will find/bend/interpret some rule to confiscate the money, but if they didn't discuss in the chat they shouldn't be able to. I think it's quite brilliant what they did, just sad that Party has to be the victim after doing so much good things for the MTT community.
08-08-2016 , 08:53 AM
Maybe if party didn't have min players to start set at 3 you might not get these problems.

If they don't chat in chat box pretty harsh to give them any penalties for open shoving.

CBA to got through TOS but interested to see what it says.
08-08-2016 , 09:00 AM
lol hello_totti is nicecall_lol

makes so much sense now
08-08-2016 , 09:04 AM
Stars have exactly the same policy and the same starting entrants. People tried this years ago in satalites and other hsmtts and thus sites all made sure they were covered. Almost every Aussie millions satalite for example could be all in first hand but the players know that they will get banned/money confiscated if they do it. Same in the old 109r, 109.2r1a, random nightlies and a lot of satalites.

Not sure what the exact term in the rule book says, but it's definitely there.
08-08-2016 , 09:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky-PN
If you don't openshove and start playing you will end up sharing the prizepool with a lot more people. Obviously openshoving is the way to go. I'm sure they will find/bend/interpret some rule to confiscate the money, but if they didn't discuss in the chat they shouldn't be able to. I think it's quite brilliant what they did, just sad that Party has to be the victim after doing so much good things for the MTT community.
Isn't it kind of a prisoners dilemma? Even tough openshoving is most +EV for all three players combined, you do not want to be the one to do it, since the blinds can still fold the bottom of their range? Also what if you get called in one spot and then 5 more people reg the tournament? Lets assume the ToS allow it, would you start openshoving if it's vs two randoms that might just wait for TT+ to call it off? Sorry if these are noob questions, but it doesn't seem that clear to me that openshoving BTN in this scenario has the highest EV.
08-08-2016 , 09:11 AM
Pretty sure when your stack goes from worth $2.6k to $33k while there are 3 players in the tournament then it doesnt matter what their calling range is its higher ev jamming every hand than waiting until 50 players register.

Seems reasonable that the sites have this policy in place to stop people abusing it but say for instance a massive cooler gets dealt and 2 people bust early on in legitimate circumstances can the sites just decide not to pay then? Interesting situation anyway.
08-08-2016 , 09:12 AM
I get that when you are playing two other regs that know what you are doing, openshoving is the way to go.

      
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