on Tuesday 50r comes back and the 300 $ freeze is added why do we not have the 109 25k as well that day?

We feel our current High Roller (Tuesdays) offering is working for now and has been a successful addition to our schedule.
On Sundays we currently offer the $500 100K GTD - going forward we will keep the buy- in the same so as to ensure its affordable to a wider group of players and we can continue to run our qualifiers.
Regarding the KO we could possibly add this post summer but I can confirm this will not be added to the schedule for the time being.
Our $350 is very successful and will not change although we can add a similar event on a Thursday ($350) starting in June.

For a two day Major I am afraid we do not currently have the tech available to add this - could be in the future but not for some time.
For the $150K Sunday (previously $200K) we are changing the blinds to 15 mins blind levels - decreased from 20 mins
$50 FO @16:00 15K GTD- we will increase the start stack to 5K as suggested and will use the previously suggested early ante structure (antes @ 50/100)
If you can provide more details for specific tournament schedule issues we will of course look into these (eg: structures/stack size)
We have reviewed the structure for the majority of our majors; going forward with the exception of non-rebuy or deep stack tournaments we suggest we increase the starting stack to 5k

We currently offer the following:
20:00 CET
$200k 10 Seat Frenzy for $10 (RB)
$25k Re-Entry for $100

20:20 CET
$2k Gtd PLO (FO) for $35

20:30 CET
$10k Turbo Rebuy for $10

20:35 CET
$500 for $1 (FO)

20:40 CET
$200 FL 7Stud for $20

20:45 CET
$2.5k 6Max Bounty for $50

20:50 CET
$1k PLO 6Max (Re-Entry) for $10

21:10 CET
$200 for $1 (FO)
$1k for $10 (FO)

21:15 CET
$3k for $35 (FO)

21:20 CET
$1k PLH Turbo for $20 (FO)

We feel we are currently offer a variety of tournaments with a range of buy-in and GTD amounts at these specific times
We are of course reviewing regularly


We are removing our tournaments which currently start between 45 and 00
This will resolve the break issues
This will come into place on June 1st

Thanks

I will look to gather the next round of feedback on Monday 25th and reply with an update on Wed 27th

*(I am OOO at the DTD event as from tomorrow)

Colette

Below is an incredibly poor selection of tournaments for peak Euro time on what is supposed to be one of the biggest poker sites. No I don't want to play a 7 card stud tourney with a guarantee of 10 people. No I don't want to play a $1 tournament, or PLO.

If I log on for the 25k $100, what else is there to register? Nothing. I don't want a turbo in the middle of my schedule, I want a good reg speed tourney with a decent guarantee. The $35 is ok, but there used to be a 20r there which was better.


20:00 CET
$200k 10 Seat Frenzy for $10 (RB)
$25k Re-Entry for $100

20:20 CET
$2k Gtd PLO (FO) for $35

20:30 CET
$10k Turbo Rebuy for $10

20:35 CET
$500 for $1 (FO)

20:40 CET
$200 FL 7Stud for $20

20:45 CET
$2.5k 6Max Bounty for $50

20:50 CET
$1k PLO 6Max (Re-Entry) for $10

21:10 CET
$200 for $1 (FO)
$1k for $10 (FO)

21:15 CET
$3k for $35 (FO)

21:20 CET
$1k PLH Turbo for $20 (FO)

lol ok gg

by making the major 15 min instead of 20 min it used to be, structure will only become even more shallow in the end, while we made sure you just needed to remove a few early levels, and maybe even make the endgame a bit deeper. def will be fun, flipping for thousands of dollars with the avg stack hovering around the 10-15bb

seriously, start the tournament with blinds 50/100 and keep it at 20 min please, tournament will take +- 2 hours less then already

rant/ lol @mtt schedule, how do you even dare to post games like a 200$ gtd in between it? Do you have no shame/self-respect at all. At first I was very hesitant about a possible amaya take-over but when you guys are just ****ing up your whole poker department, i'd happily see amaya take over.

there is nothing reasonable to reg besides the 25k 100$ re entry anymore compared to (a few) year(s) ago. the 100fo is gone, the 50r is gone, the 200fo is gone, the 33 6maxi s gone, the 99r is gone, the 20r is gone

THERE IS BASICALLY NOTHING ATTRACTIVE FOR US TO OPEN YOUR CLIENT ANYMORE

seriously get your **** together morons

/rant

Let me tell you how we think

No, i am not interested in regging a 1fo with a crappy gtd, when stars has a much better offer, and even got a 1r with 40k gtd or whatever is left
No, i am not interested in regging a crappy 6max, when winamax, fr etc offer a much better alternative
No, i am not interested in a 10fo with 1k gtd, when there are 10 times better options on other sites
35fo is ok, but I much rather play a 50fo on fr, 888, stars when I have the chance and I have to gameselect

you even had some kind of a flagship with your 50r, you had the biggest daily 50r across all sites, and you decided to remove it for a 100fo while other sites offer a much better alternative for that format (b109 etc)

are you getting the hang of it already? do you see how your logic is miserably flawed?

You were told it was too deep at the beginning so you decided to increase the starting stack? That makes no sense...

Haven't opened party in three weeks and I was a big proponent of the site. Solid update lately.

Lol

Littlegoliath, no need for namecalling. Also no idea how removing 20/40, 30/60 and 40/80 shorters the tournament by 2 hours. It'd be a better structure than 15min levels with the current levels but would also last quite a bit longer still.

So going with 15 minute levels is fine too, but you should add some levels in the late game to compensate a little bit if 15/20 min levels isn't possible.

Colette, Please pass the below on to some of the decision makers at Party Poker and get back to me when you have an answer.

The Problem-

The flagship Sunday 200k and many other tourneys are on the demise. The 200k has endured overlays for months on end and they've tried to fill this unsustainable problem by making it a re-entry. Based on other sites attempting this approach and the feedback in this thread there is no reason to believe that this is the answer. Before long the guarantee will have to be dropped and this hurts everyone. Fortunately due to a strong player base this won't have to occur.

My offer to Party Poker-

I am prepared to work for free on revitalizing the satellites for this specific tourney to ensure it hits the guarantee every week. In exchange the re-entry format will have to go. I have given countless suggestions to various sites over my 10 years of playing poker and many have been implemented with success. When it comes to satellites I can confidently say that there is no one in this industry who understands the subtleties of running an effective satellite program as well as me. If Party Poker is willing to follow my suggestions I can guarantee that the target tourney will never overlay again. To be honest I'd be embarrassed if it doesn't reach 250k within a month.

Types of changes-

Many of your current offerings in your current satellite program are far to reg player friendly at the expense of recreational players. Recreational players aren't given a fair chance (current rebuy structure) to gain entry at a reasonable price point. My suggestions, if followed, will encompass numerous channels for players to gain entry to the target tourney. There will be a restructuring of the direct rebuy sats. Sub sats which feed direct sats will be introduced based on projected end times to bolster guarantees. Party point sub sats will be introduced which will have additional benefits to the site.

To accomplish this I will have to spend time analyzing tourney structures, rebuy structures, tourney durations and current participation levels. Once I've obtained that data I will be able to provide Party a blueprint with precise start times, structures and price points for every satellite and sub satellite that's part of the labyrinth feeding the 200k.
I expect from week 1 that the blueprint will be running with about 70% optimal efficiency with 15% room for enhancements and retractions and another 15% of the program to be influenced by player feedback.

Winners: post changes

Party poker- will be able to run the 200k without overlay every week. They will make more rake due an improved satellite program.

Recreational players- will be able to satellite in at a higher ratio then current levels. Furthermore they will be able to satellite in cheaper.

200K Tourney players- Although the overlay will disappear you will soon enjoy softer fields. Keep in mind that without changes the guarantee will soon drop and you're worse off then before.

Losers: post changes

Current satellite grinders- who will no longer enjoy the structural benefits which the current program provides.

Overlay hunters- Who only play tourneys if there's an overlay.

Sincerely,

************************************************** ********

Above is what I posted in the Party Poker internet thread 4 weeks ago. In reply I received a send us your ideas and our team will review them etc. type response. The issue is that it would take me significant time to do this (40 hours minimum) and do I really trust the person who puts forth the current abysmal satellite offerings to be the judge of what will work and what doesn't? Structurally there are only 3 rebuy offerings that come even close to churning the maximum amount of recreational players into the Sunday Major.
I understand that people instinctively like to hold on to their ideas as reversing course can be viewed as previous incompetence but the ship is sinking so why not reach out to a life raft when given a chance.

As I predicted the 200k has now become a 150k and without serious changes it will continue to fall as many serious players won't be as interested in the Sunday Major with its reduced prizes. I'll still hold my offer but only if taken seriously.

So a company thats worth $1.5 billion and uses a software that looks like its built from a 12 year old during lunch break since 2004 isnt able to hire top class programmers that can implement such things?

oh wait.... "mabye in the future" <3<3


Also well done with the Major, reducing the blinds to 15 minutes shows exactly how much you listen to your customers, well done, gg thread

1) To point 1) of course its working for now, but you should think not whats working for now, instead you should think what would be the best.
It would be the best to kill the 1k on Mondays, instead make the 500$ one on Sundays a 1k. If you not figuered out that basically no rec is playing the 500$ on sunday, then whatever. 90%+ of the 500$ on sunday players are regs and nothing else. So its bs to say we wanna open it for a wider range of players.

Again and again, make sunday1k 100k, and there will be prob no overlay.
Make tuesday a 500$ game, cause every reg is playing on tuesdays cause of the 1k on stars and 600$ on 888...........


2)2day major is not needed if you would listen to the people. Change the structure as i posted it, everybody likes this structure much more. To change it into 15Minutes is just the easiest way to "solve" this problem.


3) thanks for the 50$ and the earlier ante.


It looks like the poeple in your company are giving a damn **** about the us and ony try to maintain the company till its sold to 888 or amaya.
Allready was pissed of a lot of things and now scamming people off the WPT Points, while saying we close WPT in 3 weeks, but go ahead and spent the Points into stuff you do not need. But yeah i like to exchage my points worth 480$ into something worth 180$, cause its a bussiness decision.

Looks like you are the only one doing a good job at your department, thats pretty sad to say, but it seems to be true.


For me thats it, it looks like we have to wait till a new owner (hopefully 888) bought your company and kicks some ass over there. Looks like 888 is doing a good/better job listening to the players.

One last thing. I really like your attitide Colette, you are doing a good job and everything said here is nothing against you

For me thats it, im out.

Dear MTT grinders,

Party has invited me to a live meet with them next Friday as a player rep for 2+2. I've got a lot of things prepared already but I'm not a MTT player so I won't do any good for any MTT player unless I get someone to prep me a bit.

So I'm asking if someone recognized could gather the biggest MTT related problems on Partypoker with solutions for me so I could directly relay them to Partypoker management and you guys would get direct feedback from them to you.

Please PM me or post here. I'll do my best to present any constructive feedback to Party.

Thanks!

read topic again... take notes?

Well I can read it through and take notes but i was hoping someone would do it for me

Let's see what I can gather as main points and see if you agree.

So this is in no way a complete list of what has been talked but some picks:

1) daily 50r back. now it's only once a week? is the structure ok? if not, how would you change it

2) less/no re-entries, especially for the sunday major?

3) move monday high roller to tuesday?

4) satellites need restructuring? in what way exactly?

As a rec MTT player I always felt the latereg periods were too long. Some tourneys were almost in the money when the latereg period ended. Sometimes the timebanks were huge. Is this (still) a problem in your opinion?

What other main problems are there that I missed and what changes would you make and why?

only 13k overlay in the sunday major today, getting there!!

why cant you just bring back daily 50r and lower guarantee to 20k or 17.5k so it doesn't overlay?? it was by far the best daily mtt on your site

After Scoop it will go back down. So many casuals have decided to play the SCOOP final and while they are at it play the other majors.

They need to offer sats to MTT's that provide the "losing/recreational" player the maximum chance to qualify for his dollar. Right now the sats are structured, both with blind levels and rebuy structure not in their favour.
Furthermore they need to add sats to various tourneys with a variety of structures based on expected tourney duration in relation to the target tourney.

MTT tickets for party points at favorable prices would help immensely imo.

Not only regs but also a lot of recs mentioned this even at 2p2 forums. Obviously it would benefit the MTT traffic. Recs usually cant make Palladium anyway, end up upset for crappy stuff they can get for points. And even cash regs would sometimes play mtts I imagine instead of taking cash for direct withdrawal.

Some promotions that would give players incentive to play MTTs would also help. Kings of Vegas freerolls had a decent value, but they gave me 0 incentive to play more (just depo-depo-depo and tried to get 6 hits and then depo during MTT-promotion). 36 points this month in comparison to almost 400 in March. I know it isn't much (even for MTT player) but still.

Maybe some kind of tournament leaderboard? Even getting Poker Legends back would help and probably save itself back by countering overlays and bringing more action.

Another note: please make all rebuys to have 2x add-on or more. It's pain in the ass always check if they have any value and WPT sats failing utterly with small add-on should be a proof that small add-on sats especially are failing miserably. Changing WPT Las Vegas sats might be too late now, but I would gladly taken good amount of shots to them if they would've got a decent structure. Now I've played 0 and won't play them at their current form.

Also I would gladly play a little longer session if 23:45 and 01:00 CET turbo rebuys would be big add-on ones. Also 17:00 CET 20$ turbo rebuy should have at least 3x add-on, preferrably 5x. Nowadays I play it very rarely but would gladly start to play little more earlier if you make it big add-on!

Also: I fail to see why there's no Sunday Major for 20$+R turbo big add-on starting in 14:40 CET. It would probably easily hit like 10k$ if in schedule (3k guaranteed during other days). About 20:00 CET 50+R (now only in Tuesdays), you might consider making it 20+R Daily Major regspeed during other days with 3x add-on and like 10k$ guaranteed. I think it would be very popular version as well.

A small note: there's also some useless trash like PL hold'em hyper rebuy 20c tournament in 17:30 CET. Please remove such useless tournament, it takes room from those that actually launch and get some players. If you want to offer some interesting micro hyper rebuy make it at least No Limit and give it some small guaranteed.

P.S. PLO8 need more love Give us at least some 5-10$ hypers to fill our schedule and have some quick fun!

Please increase the number of micro/low buyin tournaments ($5 & $10) with similiar structure to the one that runs at 12:30(ET) $5 fo $5,000 gtd.
Starting a couple hours before & a couple after. I'm pretty sure they'd fill up if you had a couple of them running each hour.
More $2 to $5r/a also. (at around same time as others above ^).. similiar to the one that runs daily at 14:25(ET) $2r/a $2,500 Gtd. Again if you could have some more of these starting a couple/few hours earlier I'm sure they'd be popular for recreational micro players.

I didn't take notes about the individual tourneys and their problems or tourney suggestions (apart from the 50r that was mentioned several times) but about the bigger topics.

I know you posted an offer about doing this for Party but if you'd have to explain to a MTT fish in few sentences why the current structure benefits the regs and how would you change the structures and why that way would be better, please?

I know you didn't quote me so not sure if this was for me but I will bring up few issues with the VIP store, including the MTT ticket prices compared to cash.

Do others feel the add-ons are too small as well?

Just gonna hijack this thread to say that the points on party are almost worthless unless you play hs 5 days a week, plz bring back that sweet 50ko ticket for a reasonable price

Lessu,

As I said earlier satellites are a complex thing but on a positive note it seems that they are partially listening to my suggestions by reducing the size of the add ons. The blind levels aren't optimal (for most tourneys) from a business standpoint and there's little variation for satellites considering the projected end times of them in relation to the target MTT's. But so far a small step in the right direction.