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01-27-2018 , 04:28 PM
I'm not on the twitters, just follow all the happenings here. While I think what he proposed is a step in the right direction, I would love to see some of those games without the PSKO's attached also. Pure vanilla freeze out 6-max PLEASE!!!!!
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01-27-2018 , 04:49 PM
I just don't understand some of the scheduling decisions. Why would you put the 109 100k PKO powerfest on saturday this week instead of Sunday?

Not only did it overlay by like 5000, but you have a huge gap in your schedule for tomorrow with only a 215 and a 2k PKO in the powerfest schedule.
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01-27-2018 , 09:33 PM
Make your post 6pm ET Omaha tournies PKOs and I guarantee you that you can run $500s and higher all night.

It's literally one of the best and funnest formats around, not sure why you guys make so many other tournies PKOs but none that are Omaha.
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01-28-2018 , 04:49 PM
PLO8 19:30 CET 11$ 500$ guaranteed gets almost 200 runners every day.

How about raising guaranteed to 2000$ to push it and add 55$ PLO8 run at the same time with another 2k$ guaranteed? Certain success.
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01-28-2018 , 09:27 PM
there is no satellites for $55 Fest events.
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01-28-2018 , 11:26 PM
Prob not GTO to copy&paste no-limit tournaments structures to limit ones


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01-28-2018 , 11:50 PM
Really disappointed with this series....and the main 2k, really bad decision
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01-29-2018 , 12:31 AM
Why there is no ante in PL event?
https://gyazo.com/25b2a8f92bf6fdd412dfccc81953d2bd
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01-29-2018 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Tacuara
Really disappointed with this series....and the main 2k, really bad decision
I think it's been good from the limited volume I've been able to put in (and from the looks of guarantees hitting pretty often and sometimes smashing, looks like it was well received). However would be nice if pp just fixed some very obvious flaws:
- FL being 8-max, Stud is ok as 8-max I think? I've never played Stud MTTs. - Also FL structure is ******ed. WCOOP/SCOOP limits start 50 big bet deep IIRC. 100 is just totally unnecessary. (Probably something to keep in mind for future series.)
- Why PLHE? That game is pretty much non-existant, and afaik PLHE makes really bad tournament game because of no antes.

Also:
- At least some events as 2-day events would be nice. Doesn't have to be de facto that every event is 2-day.
- Shootouts!
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01-29-2018 , 02:49 AM
Hey guys,

Thanks for amazing support during this series, fields have been amazing!

For the last 3 sessions I have been using the new software and working with the head of tech to fix the small issues and find some small rooms for improvement. The new software will hopefully be out on February 5th, but if not will be very soon. I have had no big problems grinding 3 sessions using it and it is a HUGE improvement in my opinion.

Tomorrow the first "new" schedules will go into the client, they will be "live" from February 5th. There will be the new leaderboard and (HOPEFULLY!!!) the new software, please don't go crazy when you see a bunch of PSKO. Mondays will have psko specials, each day will have its own theme, Wednesdays 6max etc.

Previously there was a lot of cannabalization because there was 3-4 main points for when tournaments started, the new schedule is designed for as little cannabalization as possible, every hour there will be a new tournament ready to start at all different buy in ranges.

We have reduced the number of tournaments we have, got rid of all small runner ones and replaced them for high quality, high runner, high guarantees.

In UK time the schedule will follow:

Before 3pm there will be new branded Early schedule, with 6max, turbos, slow tournaments and the popular Bounty Hunters

3pm

$55, $10, $2 Daily Grind, nice, long structures

4pm

$109, $22, $5.50, $1.10 newly branded Bounty Hunters, BIG GUARANTEES!! nice long clock

5pm

$109, $22, $5.50, $1.10 (these buy ins change on some "bigger" days) Daily Special Warm up

6pm

$530, $55, $11, $2.20 newly branded Bounty Hunters, nice long structures

7pm

$215, $55, $11, $2.20 Daily Special Main Event, our premium event every day

8pm

$530, $109, $22, $5.50, $1.10 Daily Major, big guarantees, nice structures

9pm

$215, $55, $11, $2.20, Daily Special Second Chance, a little quicker blinds

10pm

$109, $22, $5.50, $1.10, Daily Turbo, 6 max vanilla

11pm

$109, $22, $5.50, $1.10, 6 max Bounty Hunter

On Sundays all tournaments will be Super Sized and branded as such with bigger guarantees, the "Specials" all become Sunday Specials with monster guarantees throughout the day. We will additionally add;

1pm

Kick off to the day $109

3pm

$1050, $215 Sunday Grind

7pm

$2100 Super High Roller
$215 Main Event



Previously a lot of people innacurately thought that schedules were created for my self interest and lots of other theorems, I've worked daily on this schedule for the last month to bring as much variety as possible, as little cannibalisation as possible and the biggest possible guarantees we could stretch throughout all stakes, but especially the lower stakes. I'm fine for people from now to hold me responsible and where necessary flame me for not giving all stake levels equal treatment. It's only from now that this criticism would be fair. Other game types such as PLO, PLO8 will be reviewed from Powerfest before decisions made on where/when/what/how.
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01-29-2018 , 05:52 AM
Nice works, seems great,

Any chanse to add some hypers in 2018, or some real turbo's?

Looking forward to play on party :-)
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01-29-2018 , 06:03 AM
Please leave the crapshooty hypers to your competitors who care not about the longevity of the game and keep up what you ve been doing. This is a huge step in the right direction thanks!
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01-29-2018 , 06:14 AM
I'm worried that the gaps between full hours won't be filled properly. Otherwise hopeful.
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01-29-2018 , 06:27 AM
Is there not any chance of the main events on Sunday being changed into 2day-events after all? I mean, the $215 Title Fight SE in the same time slot yesterday lasted almost 14 hours, and I would assume that the $215 Main could easily last another 2-3 hours? A 15-17 hour tournament is pretty brutal at least, especially when people have been grinding for a couple of hours before the ME even starts.

Have to say that the new schedule looks very nice though!
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01-29-2018 , 06:44 AM
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We have reduced the number of tournaments we have, got rid of all small runner ones and replaced them for high quality, high runner, high guarantees.
This sounds super bad change, there were too few tournaments already after you reduced late registration drastically. And not everyone likes to play megafields. There needs to be some "bread and butter" tournaments that also won't last 8+ hours in the schedule.

Just a thought about 2-day tournaments, isn't 3 AM or later too late for most people working 8 to 4 or 9 to 5 to end day1? I actually find it quite ridiculous that we mainly still have old schedules which were intended for US recs, but there's no poker site who is willing to push some major early European evening (or daytime during weekends) schedule. Maybe a test drive of some deepstack tournaments which start daily around 6 PM with 3 or 4 hour late reg to allow later people to join, end their day1 around 1 AM with proper marketing could find some market gap?
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01-29-2018 , 07:03 AM
New software available for mac?
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01-29-2018 , 08:39 AM
Do I read this right that you're replacing the 8pm CET $109 Contender with a $215 tournament ? If so, I would give a thumbs down for this move, as it will probably filter out some recs like me and only keep the regs in, which will make me even more unlikely to play it.
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01-29-2018 , 10:25 AM
Don't know about all of the powerfest 6-Max's, but yesterday's $11 early one beat the gtd by close to 50%. Just like every powerfest 6 max I've played. Just saying.
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01-29-2018 , 10:52 AM
Can we have a 109$ MEGA sat to the 2100$ ME on Sunday?

New schedule looks promising.
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01-29-2018 , 11:06 AM
Hey Patrick/Collette

I am playing in partypoker the last two weeks. I played only in pokerstars the last 4 years because my games werent offered by any site. I switched to mtts now and I was planning to grind in your site regularly. My only experience is in Pokerstars software and how pokerstars operated. I have some suggestions to make

1)

You recently signed Ike Haxton. This is what pokerstars used to do and I dont think it had success. The reasoning to sign a team pro is to gain new players at your site or if you have decent traffic among all stakes attract more recreationals chasing the high stakes dream. In my opinion you should invest to people involving in social media to attract recreationals in your site. Tonka, Veldhuis, Staples or find someone who will actually be fun to watch, sponsor him and broadcast every day. You either need a person who has a fan base to promote your site or a person who will work every day in twich in order to do that. Youtubers / twitchers are the most valuable to promote your site. In tournaments your ability factor is +6 at least on stakes of 55$+ That means your site lacks of recreational players and I cant think a better way to promote a site than what I recommended

2)

When I started playing in pokerstars everyone was saying ''I want to be a supernova elite'' Many people tried many succeed but even more failed. You know what is the trick with Elite? People (both recs and regs) were having something to achieve within a year. Pokerstars gave them a goal. Moreover Pokerstars was clever because they knew if we want to achieve elite we cant really grind in any other sites because elite itself is a huge grind. My recommendation is give something for people to commit in your site. A heavily promoted similar to elite vip would be amazing. Your cashback program is good. The issue is that a rec or even a reg will grind a week take cashback and then look in another site with better promo the next week. But if you have a yearly vip like supernova / supernova elite it will be very hard not to commit

3)

Even though I was planning to grind in party poker mainly, chosing you over your competitors, I read a new post every 2-3 days about botting/collusion/cheating in your platform. Even regs seem to not feel safe playing there and it will be very bad for your reputation if the word about low security standards in party poker is out there. It will move away most recs who already think that something is going on in online poker. Botting/cheating is a universal issue and I think the companies must work together. If a player is banned in pokerstars for cheating why he should allowed playing in partypoker? Share your personal details, check ids and even take legal actions against people. Cheaters damage the company after all. I firmly believe you should work with Pokerstars for this. Not because their security is better but security will radically improve if you share the knowledge on how and who cheated. Not usernames but actual id's must be shared and banned permamently

4)

The mtt filters are pretty bad imo. I unfiltered bounties but there are still there because they are overlapping in some other category. I cant filter speeds neither choose NLH only tournaments. I have to see FLH because it is a holdem game but most important the filters for the buy ins are quite poor. I dont understand why there isnt a custom buy in filter

The positive is that you listen to people. I personally like PSKO and i do think it will attract more recreationals. Regs will whine but they will adjust. That being said variety is important The most important is to bring more recs at the moment. Props to your tournament team who is genuinly try to impove the schedule

I see people protesting about the changes. Everything is trial and error. I can see enough regular games and bounties. Bounties attract more recs because they are more fun to play and ability factor in sharkscope reveals it

Belthazorrrr

edit: i think every hour after 16:00 should have 22-55-109-215 tournaments, even if the latest are low guarantee. I cant imagine a 10k guarantee 215$ with 2 hours late reg re entry either PSKO or normal will not meet the GTD
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01-29-2018 , 05:22 PM
Hey guys, thanks for initial feedback, will reply to everybody, just to clarify about the dates, it looks like we will go live Feb 12th.
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01-29-2018 , 05:22 PM
@OurSurveySays, interesting ideas. A few comments:

3pm uk: Looks good. Why don't you make $3.3 deepstack instead of $2.2 deepstack? $3.3 3k will look better than $2.2 2k.
4pm uk: Deepstack pkos sounds interesting. Looking forward to 300bb+ punts in early levels.
5pm uk: I hope that bigger buy-ins mean that you will have $33 20k-50k at midstakes once or twice a week; at lower stakes some $3.3 micro majors.
6pm uk: Looks ok.
7pm-8pm uk: Special Main Event and Special Major are the same or similar events? In general I agree that it is good to split your majors but $109 Main Event/Uppercut and $215 Title Fight have always worked well together.
It might be risky to run $109 Main Event/Uppercut one hour later because it might be too late for some recs and you might fail to reach 40k-50k/150k gtd for $109.
Better run $22, $109 & $215 main events at 7pm uk and $55 & $530 at pm uk (their fields are usually smaller than 22, 109, 215).
I would like to see more than two micro/low buy-ins at 7pm main events (maybe $2, $5, $11?) and as well as at 8pm (maybe $1, $3, $5?).
9pm uk: Daily second chance with a bit faster structures look ok.
10pm uk: Turbos could be fine.

Since you plan to cut total number of micro/low events I would suggest to run 180 cap tournaments at :30. For instance, if you have $1 & $5 major at :00 then run $2 & $3 180 at :30 (possibly turbo/semi-turbo with 30-45 minute LR). It will not harm anyone and will give a better balance between big and small field tournaments.
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01-29-2018 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Hey guys, thanks for initial feedback, will reply to everybody, just to clarify about the dates, it looks like we will go live Feb 12th.
No problem. It is better to rethink everything at least more than twice.

P.S. Your micro/low events at 7pm uk seem to run like 8/10 while lobby says 6/8/10. Please fix it.

Last edited by Bocmanis; 01-29-2018 at 05:32 PM.
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01-29-2018 , 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Hey guys,

Thanks for amazing support during this series, fields have been amazing!

For the last 3 sessions I have been using the new software and working with the head of tech to fix the small issues and find some small rooms for improvement. The new software will hopefully be out on February 5th, but if not will be very soon. I have had no big problems grinding 3 sessions using it and it is a HUGE improvement in my opinion.

Tomorrow the first "new" schedules will go into the client, they will be "live" from February 5th. There will be the new leaderboard and (HOPEFULLY!!!) the new software, please don't go crazy when you see a bunch of PSKO. Mondays will have psko specials, each day will have its own theme, Wednesdays 6max etc.

Previously there was a lot of cannabalization because there was 3-4 main points for when tournaments started, the new schedule is designed for as little cannabalization as possible, every hour there will be a new tournament ready to start at all different buy in ranges.

We have reduced the number of tournaments we have, got rid of all small runner ones and replaced them for high quality, high runner, high guarantees.

In UK time the schedule will follow:

Before 3pm there will be new branded Early schedule, with 6max, turbos, slow tournaments and the popular Bounty Hunters

3pm

$55, $10, $2 Daily Grind, nice, long structures

4pm

$109, $22, $5.50, $1.10 newly branded Bounty Hunters, BIG GUARANTEES!! nice long clock

5pm

$109, $22, $5.50, $1.10 (these buy ins change on some "bigger" days) Daily Special Warm up

6pm

$530, $55, $11, $2.20 newly branded Bounty Hunters, nice long structures

7pm

$215, $55, $11, $2.20 Daily Special Main Event, our premium event every day

8pm

$530, $109, $22, $5.50, $1.10 Daily Major, big guarantees, nice structures

9pm

$215, $55, $11, $2.20, Daily Special Second Chance, a little quicker blinds

10pm

$109, $22, $5.50, $1.10, Daily Turbo, 6 max vanilla

11pm

$109, $22, $5.50, $1.10, 6 max Bounty Hunter

On Sundays all tournaments will be Super Sized and branded as such with bigger guarantees, the "Specials" all become Sunday Specials with monster guarantees throughout the day. We will additionally add;

1pm

Kick off to the day $109

3pm

$1050, $215 Sunday Grind

7pm

$2100 Super High Roller
$215 Main Event



Previously a lot of people innacurately thought that schedules were created for my self interest and lots of other theorems, I've worked daily on this schedule for the last month to bring as much variety as possible, as little cannibalisation as possible and the biggest possible guarantees we could stretch throughout all stakes, but especially the lower stakes. I'm fine for people from now to hold me responsible and where necessary flame me for not giving all stake levels equal treatment. It's only from now that this criticism would be fair. Other game types such as PLO, PLO8 will be reviewed from Powerfest before decisions made on where/when/what/how.
Just want to note that the above mentioned looks really good and I sure will be excited to try it out as much as possible.

However, I do have one suggestion.....

Please trial this new schedule for a considerable amount of time (6 months+)

The most annoying thing I've found with party is the constant chopping and changing of structures, schedules etc and you guys really need to let this "bed in" over a considerable period of time.

Hopefully it will all work out for everyone going forward.
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01-29-2018 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by belthazorrrrr
Hey Patrick/Collette

You recently signed Ike Haxton. This is what pokerstars used to do and I dont think it had success. The reasoning to sign a team pro is to gain new players at your site or if you have decent traffic among all stakes attract more recreationals chasing the high stakes dream. In my opinion you should invest to people involving in social media to attract recreationals in your site. Tonka, Veldhuis, Staples or find someone who will actually be fun to watch, sponsor him and broadcast every day. You either need a person who has a fan base to promote your site or a person who will work every day in twich in order to do that. Youtubers / twitchers are the most valuable to promote your site. In tournaments your ability factor is +6 at least on stakes of 55$+ That means your site lacks of recreational players and I cant think a better way to promote a site than what I recommended
Tonka is 888 ambassador, Veldhuis and Staples are PS ones.
I wrote to Patrick, but he cant receive a message, so I wrote to Party_Rep this-
While I play poker, I am mostly watching tonkaaaa stream or WarCraft 3 stream at twitch. Do you know that game? It was very popular before years and now on this english cast there are around 3000+ /on sundays/ people watching it. Most of that people have regular jobs, have money and are around 25-35 yo so poker should be interesting to them. Watchers are mostly european, north american and some asian. Players are form Europe, Russia, China and South Korea. I am thinking that Bwin/Parry can support some weakly cup that and receive very nice advertisement. If you think that this is interesting for Bwin/Party, please reach out to
https://twitter.com/back2warcraft

And in the feedback message is this "We will not support online gaming on Twitch as many, many players are under 18 and it goes against responsible gaming regulations". As I was browsing poker section on twitch, I sow russian stream that is PartyPoker sponsored or it looks like it - there was a banners and party in the name.
That cup needs around 500$-2500$ per week imo.
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