This is likely the scenario with slight details. But the overall picture is much the same. The same thing occurs for their Live Events. This is surely against the UK gaming commission. If Party were to make these players "team pros" then I guess it's fair game... but ambassadors on freerolls are highlighted for all to see.

For anyone on this forum to give any credence to what Patrick or any rep says about anything is disgusting until this matter is resolved in full. Shame on you sheeps who sit back because things are ok and you're still making a dollar and keep quiet and hope the boogeyman will go away. The degration of Stars took aprox 5 years and many sat back and said f all until their little niche game got affected and by then there was nothing left to do.

Lets start fresh with Party and demand upfront answers on the very integrity of the game. Don't let "artificial" guarantees and whistles distract you from the core principle of any successful poker site which is integrity and game fairness.

Collette, Patrick sooner or late you're going to end up with a whistle blower (ex-horse) so ducking your head in the sand isn't going to work. Own up to the agreement that you've made and either be transparent about it or do the decent thing and get rid of these leaches.

The just making (or inches off) the guarantees on the tourneys you listed is all the proof any reasonable player needs.

$500+$30 went over by 1 player with a field of 81
$100+$9 hit the guarantee exactly with a field of 400
$30+$3 went over by 8 players with a field of 841
$10+$1 fell under by 8 players with a field of 992

Try to find a streak similar to this on any other site for tournaments with fields of hundreds.

All - regarding comments claiming I have been "avoiding this thread" to be clear last week I attended meetings in the UK, therefore, was OOO for 3/4 days hence my lack of a detailed response to various pending questions
This week - unfortunately - I have been out of the office sick

I have addressed these claims regarding stable deals previously

There are no deals with partypoker with any stable regarding " HR/SHR freerolls "
Any offer or enhanced rake promotion is between the stable and their players directly

I would suggest those who suggest otherwise, contact the stable owner directly
I believe BRS themselves have commented on the same claims, some months ago, on this thread or likely the previous thread as Patrick started this new thread
Nothing has changed and I have no further information or feedback to offer

Kind regards,

Colette

Colette are you 100% certain of this? Or is it just something you've been told from above so therefore can claim it to be true while maintaining plausible deniability if even more evidence comes forward within the next few weeks.
An answer one way or the other would be nice.

You seem to have chosen your words very carefully there.

You say that 'there are no deals with party poker with any stable regarding " HR/SHR freerolls ".

What do you mean by this? Why specify the HR/SHR tournaments? Have you axed the freerolls for the 530s, or do you only give them out to satellites now? What about the 55s, the 109s, the 215s? You didn't mention these.

If any offer or enhanced rake promotion is between the stable and their players directly, how exactly are the stables funding such agreements without assistance from party? The vast majority of brs players are terrible and would barely win after rake as it is, let alone if brs is personally supplementing rakeback. I know of one other stable apparently involved in this, and its not bitb.

I personally know people who have had free rolls in $5k events on party. I once bought a percentage of a friend in one of those before I knew he was in for free. Are we really supposed to believe that brs are giving out a 30% of a $5k mtt for free? I know people who say brs and other stables are dishing out satellite free rolls to almost anyone who will take them. Are we really supposed to believe that these organisations are self funded? One would imagine that they might be losing an unsustainable amount of money if so.

as Sect7G said above, its common knowledge that this occurs in party's live events too. Everyone who's been to a casino in the UK knows about it. This in addition to all of the other information in this thread makes it very likely that you are at best lying through the skin of your teeth.

f any offer or enhanced rake promotion is between the stable and their players directly, how exactly are the stables funding such agreements without assistance from party?

All handled through affiliates. I was under the impression dusk til dawn (or some derivative of that company) was the one that handled many of these deals since they also run live tournaments etc. and that's what I heard - could be wrong though.

The specifics of Party's arrangements with any affiliate will not be released on twoplustwo at any point imo.

Imo party's deal are not that much of an outlier in the industry the issue is the fact there are a number of parties that the deal filters down through

> Deal between Partypoker and affiliate - somewhat standard
> Deal between affiliate and stable - less conventional
> Deal between stable and horse - unconventional

I am confident the information I have and shared is correct
I personally do not deal with stables etc, however having spoken with the relevant teams I shared the response to ongoing queries
I will not comment on further claims/queries - please direct these to the relevant stables or affiliates


I shared a response to the pending queries
I am not the best person to respond to further queries nor answer further questions/accusations , as stated previously please do contact the stables or affiliates directly and request further information

Lol @ every reg in the world knowing about this but not Colette or Pads. It seems to me like people are enjoying having terrible players in their (HS) games as opposed to having guarantees lowered.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=4128

Agreee 100%

Obviously a disgruntled horse who makes slanderous remarks about the website along with his stable. -PartyPoker

This looks bad. Party, what is this "super deal" he's talking about? What is the "satellite deal"?

Standard affiliate or is there something extra we don't know about?

Someone should go to the gaming commission and demand some answers, Party is publicly traded, they're bound to some transparency in this matter.

can somebody tell me the differences between a smooth mtt and a regular one? does smooth faster? ends eralier than a normal structures mtt or vica versa?

Nobody knows

Smooth has ****ed up blind levels.

I like smooth because it makes you bring out your A-game in math. Like when your standard is to 3.5x over a limper but don't have it in the pre-select and the BB is 3848, you end up just eyeballing it or else you time out on 13 other tables. Then when it's :56 you fire up calculator.exe with a straightened back to double check since you tell yourself that you're a professional, you discover that you've been 6.5x-ing the entire time as you're kinda crazy from being 16h into your session since these tournaments never end. Party goat.

+1.

At least for $215+ the majority of tournaments should be left alone imo.

One thing that I don't understand is why is everyone so upset if BRS has a rakeback deal with Party? I am not affiliated with BRS nor do I have any information, I am just speculating. Why does it look irrational or shady to all you if party agreed to give BRS extra rakeback and them in turn playing the majority of their volume on party? I just don't get the reason for this witchhunt.

Side A is BRS, a stable who for whatever reason dislike Pokerstars.
Side B is Party, who is trying to compete against Pokerstars.
Side A approaches Side B asking for extra rakeback and in exchange bring in a significant number of players putting in all their volume on Party, without playing on the main competitor's platform. Why would Side B be in the wrong accepting that deal? How does that negatively affect anyone else?

Again, this is total speculation and the example could be way off, I am honestly just trying to understand where the problem is.

Theoretically it's fine, the problems arrise when there's intransparency about this issue. People ought be able to know that they may be playing against organized, semi - site sponsored players in every field that might overlay.

That's why sites should have an affiliate page for everyone to see and not stray away from the conditions on there unbeknownst to the players. It's shady, if that can happen.. what else can?

Bot acceptance has been another issue that Party has been battling, and it serves the same purpose - to artificially prop up the site's traffic.

I don't have anything against the fact that they might get a better rakeback deal.

I have a HUGE problem with the prospect that some of them might get last-minute freerolls to events that are on the verge of overlaying - and this accusation seems to be backed by quite good playing pattern evidence for the involved players. I have a problem with this because:
- a freerolling player in a high-buy-in sattelite/tournament will be much looser calling/pushing all-in, compared to me playing with my own money, so they will have an unfair advantage;
- even considering that they'll join with a shorter stack, they still take away equity from all the other players who paid their entries.

Also, if the house gets something out of this - even under the form of the stable committing to a higher volume of play in exchange for these freerolls - then it's a clear conflict of interest. Their share should be ONLY the rake, and nothing out of the prizepool.

What happened to the daily Mega sats that used to run in a number of timeslots? They seem to have disappeared since yesterday

When i see smooth in title i skip, regging a tournament at 3pm and having it finish at 5am is just insane

Accusations are that certain players from certain stables are geting frerolls to play some MTTs and they need to give significant % ( 70%+) of the ammount that they will potentially win to guys that are giving freroll to them ( read stable owners & party)= stealing ton of equity from all other players
Also there is suspicion that players geting frerolls are coluding for leaderborad and in satellites for 215+buy ins and fir satelites for live events/5k online milions event

So if party is really involved in this what are they actualy doing is that they put like 50k GTD on 109$ event prety sure that this event will overlay for min 10k and they just give frerolls tickets for like 100 "people" and they take 70%+ of winnings of those "people" ( not to forget that when those "kamikaze" players build stack and get deep their account is pr9bably ghosted from other more competent player)

Imagine you enter 530 in last lvl of late reg and you have 5 free bullets and you will get 20% of any amount you win=> will you play tight corect ranges for 10-15bb stack or ypu will go banana and try to build stack on 15 min?