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04-24-2018 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by probability1
I happen to have asked partypoker about this issue. their answer is, you can register for any game that accepts the ticket, i.e. you can reg for a tournament many days from now, albeit your ticket will expire much earlier.

BUT, after the expiration date, you CANNOT un-register! The moment you click un-register, your ticket immediately expire and you get nothing. So, as long as you don't un-register, you can use your ticket for any tournament that accepts it.
Thanks, while it's nice you can register in advance i'm somewhat surprised it's legal for the ticket to disappear out of thin air if you unreg. Surely they should just find a way to remove the option to unregister for those players entirely.

But actually what I meant was that if I use my 1k ticket now to register for the Main Event will I then be able to play a satellite specifically targeted towards the main event, and if so what happens if I win. Hopefully Colette can help clear up the confusion
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04-24-2018 , 11:36 AM
So no Mac update today? Anytime soon?

The PPL$$$ satellites were set up with the finals on Monday, Wednesday, Saturday. Very nice, gives extra motivation to play on those quiet days.

But now I see it has been changed to once a week on a Sunday. Disappointing, as if there aren't enough satellite finals on Sundays already.
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04-24-2018 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mystic
The PPL$$$ satellites were set up with the finals on Monday, Wednesday, Saturday. Very nice, gives extra motivation to play on those quiet days.

But now I see it has been changed to once a week on a Sunday. Disappointing, as if there aren't enough satellite finals on Sundays already.
I guess it was inevitable when even first 10 seat guaranteed overlayed quite a bit at first Monday despite semifinals / satellites running for it over a week (in comparison for 2-3 days at a regular schedule). Pretty sad to see almost all additions to wither or get removed within weeks of great announcements.

Live$$$ was actually rather interesting addition as it gives much needed flexibility for live satellites and allows player to play multiple lower buy-in events instead of one larger one. But way it was implemented months late from original planned launch with little marketing and no promotions it had 0 chance to succeed with 3 weekly finals.
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04-24-2018 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
I guess it was inevitable when even first 10 seat guaranteed overlayed quite a bit at first Monday despite semifinals / satellites running for it over a week (in comparison for 2-3 days at a regular schedule). Pretty sad to see almost all additions to wither or get removed within weeks of great announcements.

Live$$$ was actually rather interesting addition as it gives much needed flexibility for live satellites and allows player to play multiple lower buy-in events instead of one larger one. But way it was implemented months late from original planned launch with little marketing and no promotions it had 0 chance to succeed with 3 weekly finals.
Really surprised they canceled this - was supposed to have 1.5 million $ leaderboard as well that was supposed to run entirety of 2018. Awful lot of effort for nothing.
Think the concept could have hurt tournaments in Sochi, Canada and Carribean.
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04-24-2018 , 03:03 PM
I had no idea that these were going on... Hence a def. marketing problem. How exactly do they work?

This lapse could be a small part of a bigger problem with Party. Doing too much promotion and constant change can water down what could be great ideas if the user wasn't overwhelmed with new offerings/promos. Less can be more.
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04-24-2018 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
I had no idea that these were going on... Hence a def. marketing problem. How exactly do they work?

This lapse could be a small part of a bigger problem with Party. Doing too much promotion and constant change can water down what could be great ideas if the user wasn't overwhelmed with new offerings/promos. Less can be more.
Support has improved but marketing has really dropped the ball. After I pointed out the errors in the Powerfest promotion they had to revamp the whole page rather than doing a simple fix - it was that bad.

Really dont get the America main event at all.... can't find any explanation for the title.
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04-24-2018 , 05:41 PM
Cos it starts at primetime in America, (5pm EST)
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04-24-2018 , 05:42 PM
I like the new american mtts. Would like to see a late edition one two or three hours later as well.
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04-24-2018 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by fragglerock45
Really dont get the America main event at all.... can't find any explanation for the title.
+1

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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
Cos it starts at primetime in America, (5pm EST)
I could understand if it was a poker site like ACR using that title for there MTT's but, your reasoning doesn't make much sense to me. Especially considering American's can't even play on PP and I doubt players from the ROW who play on PP are following USA time...
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04-24-2018 , 08:38 PM
When they say America they probably mean North and South America which have within a 3 hour time zone.
North and South American time zone tourney doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
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04-25-2018 , 02:23 AM
party down roughly how long ?
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04-25-2018 , 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
So i'm new to the party satellites and have a ticket I would prefer to not use for any of the offerings in the next seven days so I will probably use it to preregister a Powerfest. If I do that will I still be able to play target specific satellites to that event or are those exclusively for people who are not already registered?

Also I think having to click a tiny "read more" in the lobby to find out about the expiration date on won satellites is unfortunate, if I hadn't been following this thread the thought would never had crossed my mind. I think it would be a good idea to put it in the main lobby information as well.
Yes you can play the sats
The Main lobby is restrcitve in how much info we can add hence the Read more tab for all tournaments
However, feedback noted


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Originally Posted by nikos ath23
Software improvements are way to slooooooooooooowwww.
Just buy the company that owns partycaption or the guys
made it.
By the way what about BWIN SOFTWARE UPDATE??????????????
Maybe you know Collette cause i've asked several times the Bwin rep
but no response.
+1 for smaller starting stacks.something between 5K-30K.
Also smaller stacks to live events.I don't know player feedback as a viewer
don't like it.
@xLAGERTHAx 3<
I do not have any feedback regarding planned bwin updates
I shall ask the bwin rep to review and feedback


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Originally Posted by the_bridler
Can rep explain why schedule is constantly changing, its really annoying
The team continue to work with player feedback to improve the offering
Hopefully with recent changes in place we will see some stability going forward


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Originally Posted by vvtinu
I'm having a laugh reading all these big stacks complaints. I think you're diverting attention from the important issues.

It's true that stacks are a bit too big for the daily schedule, but honestly they're the LAST of my problems when my lobby freezes (on Mac) on every single filter change on a Sunday evening, freezing also the tables with it. Or when Powerfest published structures seem to make for marathon single-day tournaments, and nobody answers questions about this.

@Colette, what is Part's position on tournament length in Powerfest ? Valid points have been raised. What are you length estimates for Sunday evening championship events ? Are we going to need emergency structure adjustments again after the first Sunday? Can we please have them before ?



This! And not only are tournaments changing, like the vanilla $215 500k gtd sunday tournament changing into a bounty hunter, but the late reg varies randomly too ! I pushed a very loose all-in, thinking I'm still in the re-entry period in level 11th of this tournament, and only afterwards I noticed it had only 10 levels of late reg !! Can you please stick to a consistent late reg length convention, or otherwise put some indicators on the tables of when the late reg ends ?
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Originally Posted by florianger
i am still not sure about what i think about the always changing late reg. and formats of the mtts....i think here we get a bit variety i think it s not bad...but only SOME mtts should have this changes-but permanent. 10 Level and/or 12 Level late reg. i absolut like.

""I'm having a laugh reading all these big stacks complaints. I think you're diverting attention from the important issues.

It's true that stacks are a bit too big for the daily schedule, but honestly they're the LAST of my problems when my lobby freezes (on Mac) on every single filter change on a Sunday evening, freezing also the tables with it.""

true, yes.

and the Problem is not only with mac. i have the same Problem (i belive) -said it a few times - every time i go to "Settings" and go back to the main Lobby i have freeze Problems..and dont see the Player countrys at the tables....i found a (not optimal but hey) way - i make my changes - Close the client- re open party- and have no Problems (till i want to Change something in "Settings" )
An issue with the MAC client was identified and a fix implemented with planned maintenance this morning
Further improvements/enhancements for MAC will be rolled out in the coming months

Regarding the planned length of the Powerfest events, Pads is best placed to advise
I have asked the team to feedback and I wil share any update once received


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Originally Posted by Kelvin Kerber
very happy to see u changed the 6max tournaments to 8max on mondays
We followed player feedback - the mix max tournaments have been removed and the Monday schedule updated


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Originally Posted by mement_mori
Thanks, while it's nice you can register in advance i'm somewhat surprised it's legal for the ticket to disappear out of thin air if you unreg. Surely they should just find a way to remove the option to unregister for those players entirely.

But actually what I meant was that if I use my 1k ticket now to register for the Main Event will I then be able to play a satellite specifically targeted towards the main event, and if so what happens if I win. Hopefully Colette can help clear up the confusion
You can register in advance however should you un register the ticket dissapears as its techincially beyond its true expiry date
A tech fix to remove the option will be put in place, this will resolve the issue in fulll
In the meantime should the ticket dissapear due to a change from our end the team will replace the ticket if you conact and follow up with CS


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Originally Posted by Mystic
So no Mac update today? Anytime soon?

The PPL$$$ satellites were set up with the finals on Monday, Wednesday, Saturday. Very nice, gives extra motivation to play on those quiet days.

But now I see it has been changed to once a week on a Sunday. Disappointing, as if there aren't enough satellite finals on Sundays already.
There was a further update this morning at 7:30am CET

Regarding ppl$$$, players failed to support the previous structure so the team opted to make some changes


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Originally Posted by jayme87
party down roughly how long ?
1 hour maintenance as I feedback on the other thread
This has now been completed in full


Thanks

Colette
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04-25-2018 , 03:19 AM
the mtt schedule is on a not good way (micro)

how was it with cannibalizing.....

...if we have a 2,2 or 3,3 tournament- theres no Need for an 1,1 or 0,5 starting at the same time. said it and i say it again.

and...6max-deepstack 200k starting Chips...10 min blinds ...and 160min late reg....FOR AN 1k gtd pool. i mean what is that.--unplayable.

etc.
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04-25-2018 , 04:53 AM
The new deepstack schedule is unplayable. It looks more and more like ACR.

daily 55$ w 2.4k up top runs 8+h...no thank you.

Then maybe make for each time slot deepstack, semi turbo and turbo. Also levels could depend on buy ins. Or different approach, but this deepstack schedule is BS.

I can agree that on Sundays they can go longer (still not ike 15h), but on a regular daily schedule tournaments shouldnt be so long, I guess 6-7h for dailies and 8-max 9 for bigger prize pool tourneys and main events and maybe 4-6h for cheapest ones.

I grind a lot and could put a lot of buy ins, but im not interested playing 12h sessions because of party.

But thats just my opinion. Of course there is people who wants to play super deep n stuff, but it should be couple deepstacks a day not like all schedule...
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04-25-2018 , 06:28 AM
Just a few thoughts here;

Smooth mtts - Are these really popular? It seems like they just drag on for too long.

Deepstacks - I like the idea but all you are doing is doubling the starting stacks from 100k > 200k and the structure is the same as your standard mtts? I see deepstacks on other sites its usually something like 10k > 50k with a different structure.

Main events - I'm not sure what is so "main" about these mtts when again it is just another standard structure that you have across most of your tournaments, nothing is different?

Timeslots - When you have a $33 bounty hunter at 5pm, then you have an $11 bounty hunter at the same time, it just doesn't inspire me to play these, do we really need to have so much of the same tournament in the same timeslot? I know you don't want to add many tournaments right now but surely there is a better way than this. At least have a few different formats within the same timeslot?

The current 6pm uk time schedule;

18:00 - Main event - 530
18:00 - Main event - 109
18:00 - Main event - 33
18:00 - Main event - 11
18:00 - Main event - 3.30
18:00 - Main event - 1.10

Rebuys - I noticed in the earlier schedule some rebuy's, why are none of these in the peak time schedule?

It probably just sounds like complaints but these are just things i don't like on the site. just giving my feedback.
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04-25-2018 , 08:38 AM
All majors of each buy in starting at the same time has worked pretty well and im a big fan of it myself.You get to fit more majors into ur schedule and know on average ur gonna finish around the same time.

What wont work is if they have several different buy in levels of rebuys kicking off at the same time.It should just be 1 level.Like 5.30pm a 5r and 7.30pm 11r would work, but 5r/11r kicking off at 5pm will fail.

But really i hope they stop making so many changes now and let things settle.
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04-25-2018 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by sitoutguy
The new deepstack schedule is unplayable.
PLS.....
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04-25-2018 , 09:53 AM
I never understand why these poker sites with feedback threads dont put out a schedule they are considering in the threads first...

Why not have more of an open dialogue? list a spreadsheet of some changes you guys are considering (maybe add some notes to why), listen to the player feedback, maybe have some back and forth with the rough draft, and then make a semi permanent schedule


Currently its like change things daily, no one knows whats going on with daily schedules time slots structures etc.... then people complain, then you make a bunch of rash decisions, people complain.. repeat. Youre not utilizing this thread correctly imo


I get that its your site, and I think your team should make final the decisions. But its weird to change things constantly, you dont even get a true sample of if people like the structures/time slots/buy ins etc
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04-25-2018 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Aguskb
I never understand why these poker sites with feedback threads dont put out a schedule they are considering in the threads first...

Why not have more of an open dialogue? list a spreadsheet of some changes you guys are considering (maybe add some notes to why), listen to the player feedback, maybe have some back and forth with the rough draft, and then make a semi permanent schedule


Currently its like change things daily, no one knows whats going on with daily schedules time slots structures etc.... then people complain, then you make a bunch of rash decisions, people complain.. repeat. Youre not utilizing this thread correctly imo


I get that its your site, and I think your team should make final the decisions. But its weird to change things constantly, you dont even get a true sample of if people like the structures/time slots/buy ins etc
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04-25-2018 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by daChimp
I endorse this message.
We all do, but pads was clear from February that the changes will happen like that. Going with the flow of random surveys and complains instead of coming with a stable program at first was his so called fantastic idea and when i treated him amateur, people said blablabla negative etc. We all came with suggestions her once in a while, they pretty much never listened.

When a customer spend half his time in the lobby studying every day what kind of tournament is at 7pm bcz he s not sure it s the same than last week, the roof is seriously ON FIRE, and all the marketing money use to bring new ppl is for sure thrown away for nothing. No one with a brain will stick to that if just new customer for less than a month, there is no way to like the product because it s changing every faking time with NO PREVIOUS COMMUNICATION..

So now instead of complaining or giving advice, let s put some weekly ratings at the

Cash games : 2/10.... Only if you like playing with Russian/Ukranian/Belarus accounts who 25tables (6max) + playing MTT same time
Conlusion : security team = 0

Sats : 1/10 (5hrs to finish a mega sat, big LOL, change the structure and stop dragging ppl to your bigger events (time 4518th for direct sats)

Tourney : 6/10.
The improving part with a 3x buy in gaps and more to play. STOP CHANGING IT FOR GOD SAKE !

pfff waste of time anyway
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04-25-2018 , 11:20 AM
For my money what happened is Pad's was forced to make some changes. Look at the 16 levels late-reg in the bounty hunters. An amateur could give up over $100 by registering the the $530 bounty HR at level 16 - that change ain't coming from Pads.

Same goes for 28/16/12 levels of registration when used to be more uniform.
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04-25-2018 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fragglerock45
For my money what happened is Pad's was forced to make some changes. Look at the 16 levels late-reg in the bounty hunters. An amateur could give up over $100 by registering the the $530 bounty HR at level 16 - that change ain't coming from Pads.

Same goes for 28/16/12 levels of registration when used to be more uniform.
Structure of the bounty hunters changed to the smooth one though. Level 16 of a bounty hunter is actually bb 3.75k, which equals a 26.66bb starting stack, which is even more than it used to be. Deepstack it is bb 11k, which equals a 18bb starting stack, but I guess it makes sense to extend late reg a bit in deepstack, and freezeouts is still at 20bb which I think is fair. Don't really see anything wrong with that?
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04-25-2018 , 04:12 PM
In fairness it's very tough to make a good schedule when you are offering an A for guarantees but only have C+ for a player pool. This is in effect what is happening with Party. The guarantees are not organically feasible without drastic actions taken which have repercusions elsewhere in the product.

A lot of decisions are rash and mistakes are bound to happen when you don't go with a natural ecosystem.
Stars never changes the schedule over night because they have a good idea ahead of time what the end result will be. That is how things should be done. Even their negative changes are done with precise timing.
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04-25-2018 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by sitoutguy
The new deepstack schedule is unplayable. It looks more and more like ACR.

daily 55$ w 2.4k up top runs 8+h...no thank you.

Then maybe make for each time slot deepstack, semi turbo and turbo. Also levels could depend on buy ins. Or different approach, but this deepstack schedule is BS.

I can agree that on Sundays they can go longer (still not ike 15h), but on a regular daily schedule tournaments shouldnt be so long, I guess 6-7h for dailies and 8-max 9 for bigger prize pool tourneys and main events and maybe 4-6h for cheapest ones.

I grind a lot and could put a lot of buy ins, but im not interested playing 12h sessions because of party.

But thats just my opinion. Of course there is people who wants to play super deep n stuff, but it should be couple deepstacks a day not like all schedule...
You do realise that they call it deep stack because it is meant to take a long time right. 8 hours is very standard for a deep stacked mtt. Also its not the entire schedule its two different slots both very early in the day away from prime european time which is 2 to 3 hours later. The main events are still not deep stacked.
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04-25-2018 , 05:47 PM
I do think I will play a regular schedule again on Party when it is stable.
Right now it is too complicated and I do want to have a little edge knowing how to play it.

Soon I think.

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