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I argue that 6-max isn't more fun so your point is inarguably invalid. I just don't enjoy it even nearly as much as 8-max and 9-max and I have lots of friends who doesn't either. It's better for some formats (mainly with shorter blind levels and maybe for PKO but still 8-max PKO >>>> 6-max PKO even with turbo blinds) and it's simply hideous for deepstacks. 15 min blind levels for 6-max online equals probably like 90-120 min levels on live in terms of played hands + there's far more intermediate levels @ Party than at regular live tournament.

There's also point that has been occasionally brought up and seemingly valid that @ 6-max bad players lose far more quickly than @ 9-max MTTs. Pretty much like @ heads-up worse player loses his bankroll far more quickly against better players than @ full ring. Not really good for recs who usually don't even enjoy some super slow 6-max PKO stuff.

Daily themes itself would've been ok, if it wouldn't have been mainly just 6-max and PKOs (or 6-max PKOs) alongside regular tournaments (many too 6-max and PKOs) and they wouldn't have been stuffed at almost every tournament. I thought daily theme would have probably meant that 1-3 tournaments from each buy-in level would have been "Daily Theme tournaments", probably like 19.00 CET reg speed and 22:00 CET turbo or so.

Arguing 8/9H is more fun than 6H just makes absolutely zero sense to me. What makes it more fun? Do people enjoy folding? Playing less hands? Running into the nuts more? Playing more narrow range vs narrow range spots? Please, enlighten me, I am genuinely confused how anyone can argue that. IMO EVERY online tournament should be 6-max! The only reason 9H was ever a thing was because having 9 people at a table allowed for more people to play in live poker rooms which can only fit so many tables, it never made sense why online followed suit b/c that medium doesn't have this issue.

Yes, I assume it's true that bad players lose quicker in 6-max than 9-max. With that said, what's the better option: lose slower and have less fun or lose quicker and have more? *shrugs*

Your arguments would mean that all poker should be heads-up. Because less folding, playing more hands etc. And you can play crap hands profitably.

Some (most) people just don't like playing regular tournaments as a heads-up, or 6-max. Main reason why poker still mainly remains 8-max or 9-max because most players want to play it over 6-max or heads-up. Some pros would certainly want to play heads-up or 6-max so that they could maximize their profit.

Even at Party most players have been vocal against 6-max, but pads still forced it unto us.

What if we made the schedule different every single day for a month or two, eventually our customers would have mini strokes because they can't find a single tournament worth registering

also lets put in a bunch of satellites in Russian currency to make the tournament lobby look like computer code

You lose all credibility with statements like this. Nobody is forcing you to play anything.

For some inexplicable reason the late-reg level has been changed for some tournaments and not others - would have thought the logical thing to do would be to keep it uniform

What Soep said.

Also, don't be facetious. The only real difference between 6m and 8H is you lose the EP positions and still play similar ranges from everywhere else, it just results in playing more hands on average w/ wider ranges.

Big difference from 9H -> HU vs 9H -> 6H

I prefer 9-Max/8-Max over 6-Max too.
I feel like 6-Max just take so much more focus. Also you make FT more frequently

LOL @ soep trolling.

If everyone would stop playing @ Party because of bots / collusion / not working leaderboards / wrongly awarded prizes / bad tournament structures / hideous customer support etc. there wouldn't be anyone left playing. Mostly same for other sites too. Trolls who use "you won't have to play there" or continuously try to derail threads should just be ignored when people are doing their best to improve sites by offering valid feedback.

This has been issue for long time. Late regs change all the time randomly, sometimes even when tournament is already on a client.

For this time I think why some PKOs were reduced from 12 lvl to 10 lvl late reg (and overlaying a lot because of that) was that pads brought up some kind of idea that allowing people to late reg @ PKOs is wrong thing to do because they lose value. Much like pads "we did change all late regs as we decided not to offer late regs which last longer than 2 hours from tournament start". That strategy was disbanded after two weeks after it proved to be a disaster from Party perspective. I guess same will happen now.

"Give us more variety"
*party actually comes through"
"Give us less variety"

Ok

"This has been issue for long time. Late regs change all the time randomly, sometimes even when tournament is already on a client. "

Yup it's just ridiculous to make such changes on the fly with no notice in the middle of a leaderboard promotion. Obviously marketing department is running it and not Pads - at least he'd have the courtesy to inform players of the situation.

Love tournament offering at low/micro stakes for today.

Firstly, love 3 games per hour at 4pm uk, 6pm uk, 8pm uk, variety of buy-ins look very good. Secondly, most of these games are regular speed (8 or 10 minute levels).

I hope you will stick with this formula.

Party for sure deserve alot of credit recently but i'm not sure how you can say they gave us variety, many of the tournaments such as kick offs, warm ups and main events are all the same, not to mention the "theme" days literally have 1 type of tournament for the entire day.

Maybe it would be better if they mixed the new tournaments throughout the day rather than having repetitive "theme" days.

Where are these 15 min blind levels you speak of? They are only in the $215 level ones which don't get many players apart from the sunday flagships.

Those are the ones I play if I play. Gradually I don't even understand why punish higher stakes players with worse structures. Or make all micro stakes tournaments 6 min blind levels.

Almost no variety at all currently on Party. 2 years ago tournaments were maybe smaller but there were lots of more variety, now it is almost purely NL Hold'em MTT re-entries with and without PKOs. And all the satellites are all the same too, with withered guaranteeds.

The 6-max vs 8-max argument is pointless given its purely subjective and down to personal preferences. I also feel the balance shouldn't be as strongly weighted towards 6-max as is the case nowadays, so I just pick the Party mtts I like and complete my schedule with some 8/9-handed stuff from elsewhere.
It's not like the millions leaderboards are remotely achievable unless you're playing 24/7 or cheating anyways so no shame in looking elsewhere to find a few more appropriate mtts

I love how the most vocal complaints about a format that’s hard to multi table comes from a guy who makes his money cramming as many mtts as possible that qualify for leaderboards (read: rakeback) into a given time frame

I will agree that having days that are entirely cluttered with 6max will make it unattractive to anybody. But saying fullring is actually a more enjoyable format than short handed is just ridiculous and comparing six max to heads up given the way the average rec finds it about tournament poker (ept wpt wsop) is just nonsense. I think a healthy mix is fine but there def should be a good number of 6max games around.

Imho

I tried, I'll be back in 3-6 months again to ask about zooms since nothing definitive was said.

I think you guys are missing out on a great opportunity to introduce some really fun zoom format tournies:

More heads up than Stars
More zoom $10+ PKOs throughout the day 12-10pm eastern than Stars
PLO zooms

Zooms offer faster action and actually lower variance for regs. I don't think Stars is capitalizing on them and I think you guys could target them in that sense even better, specifically because your zoom software is better than theirs in terms of connection where stars takes .5 to a second to reconnect to another player and you guys are instant.

Alright let me explain more clearly, because this flew way over your head and I guess I'm going to have to spell it out. Every example you named is an objectively bad thing and legitimate feedback to give. "Mimimimi I don't like 6max" is not, and is an easy target for ridicule and you should know better. If you want to convince them to offer fewer 6max tournaments, give them some good reasons. If you show them something like "6max tournaments are getting 10% fewer entrants compared to their 8max counterparts" then that's the exact same feedback, but now laid out in a constructive way.

I think the amount of 6max could be toned down slightly, but most sites don't offer enough. Party looks more like winamax now in terms of having 8handed as a standard for full ring and having a lot of 6max, and winamax has one of the best mtt schedules for its playerbase. It's a much longer running experiment than party so we can draw conclusions better from there, and I never noticed 6max games getting fewer entries than their full ring counterparts there. But that's not statistical data and my brain is easily fooled. I have done zero factual research on it.

The only advantages of 8max that I can come up with are:

1) Everyone's used to it, a lot of mtt grinders are one trick ponies and are thrown off by having to learn something new
2) It's harder to multitable 6max.

The advantages of 6max are a lot more pronounced:

1) You play more hands, so either the average stack will be deeper or the tournament lasts less long for the same stack depth.
2) More interesting poker. There's a reason nearly all cashgames are 6max. The main reason a lot of poker was/is full ring is because it's cheaper for a casino to run. I know this is sort of an opinion thing, but it's also very easy to argue. It's faster, nitty play is rewarded less, it's just a lot closer to what a recreational player thinks poker is all about.

Again, there's slightly more 6max (and slightly more psko) in the schedule than I would personally prefer, but at least now I've put forward some stuff you can think about and argue against, and there's actually a chance we can get to a point where convincing happens and change follows. I've left plenty of doors open to make some additional counterarguments here.

Don't be so ****ing lazy in your posts if you care. Seriously.

He never acknowledges this when people point it out. Every post he makes is entirely self serving while begging for another promotion in the monster stack series.

Accusing Soepgroente of trolling when his posts don't fit your absurd narrative is the nail in the coffin for any credibility you may of had.

Do keep telling yourself that everyone who disagrees with you is a troll though, its amusing to see how deluded you are.

Farseer has to be the most annoying poster itt. Whine and whine and cry and only cares about himself. Terrible for the site and to play with.

That s so true, best room in term of innovation and creativity.
What they do on a tiny and dying french market is impressive. they busted PS out of number 1 seat for a long time now.
That s why the argument WE NEED TO GROW FIRST TO OFFER MORE is rubbish.

Winamax initially was not big, but they worked on a good product, not only on GTDs, they invented the SPINnGOs as they are anc copied everywhere now, brushed their series, strong TEAM PRO for exposure in live, etc etc

If PP need to copy a model, it s this one, not PS at all

There should be new terms in the leaderboard for the rebuy tournaments. 20 rebuy has a min cash of $120+ it obv. plays much bigger than a 20 dollar freezout.
Wonder if bounty rebuys are a possibility with the lower rake?

edit: Trying to be objective - if im off base i apologise!

Gtfo... this thread is borderline OOL.

Party has made major adjustments, focused on players and their experience, and still people are gonna bash them?!

I was skeptical but I did so as a long term Party supporter. I was afraid it would get f'd up... I admitted I was wrong. They are doing great things! Sure there are still some growing pains and some tweaks to perfect it.

I recommend keeping feedback constructive and on point. Whining and biittcchhing won't help. If you're gonna complain, also offer a fair and logical solution.