Something just rubs me the wrong way when you use quotation marks for the word "reasonably" as if the people who said a 2$ mtt lasting 12+ hours was too long were just whining for no reason. I don't think you mean it that way but cynicism is literally what the quotation marks imply in this context.

You way overhyped the "amazing schedule" (see what I mean?) that was coming march 5th. It's maybe slightly better than the one you had in place before. It's not that I expected more or that I think the schedule is poor because there's only so much you can do with a certain playerbase, it's just that I don't particularly see a difference between the latest newest schedule and the infinite previous iterations of new schedules. The switch from march 4th to march 5th seems a lot smaller to me than the switch before that. If you/party finally sticks with this, optimises structures a bit and adds some more mtts if the player base grows, then there's finally something there.

As far as tournaments needing at least 100 players: that's not a horrible rule of thumb for NLHE tournaments, it's a bit silly for mixed games though. It's totally fine to run a 530$ plo8 with 62 entries.

This frustrates me still, they promised us a great new schedule and we are left with this, tournaments are just repeated all day long with a few different names here and there. Even though i don't like certain things such as a restricted number of buy in levels and time slots etc, i understand the reasons behind it, but to have such a large % of the tournaments identical to each other is not good enough, pads/colette maybe you can explain why so many of the tournaments are the same thing, i do not want to play on your site because of this.

This thread is just not productive, how long have people been saying they want more variety, but still nothing happens.

Still no refunds guys?

How much thought went into this 'great' change: $215 tickets now have a 1 week expiry date instead of 4 weeks ...
Obv no one is informed of this change - easier to keep quiet and do it on the sly.

Really really annoying when you do things like this and continue to apply expiry on tickets. Great way to make customers feel undervalued

ps: still waiting on mtt refunds

This. So much this. There are certain posters that show up in these threads and criticize literally every change it's absurd. And it's not the productive type of criticism, it's the "lol this is moronic, wtf are you doing, why isn't the schedule more like Stars/FTP circa 2010 derp"

Tilting as **** to read through.

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Good evening gents and girls, hope you're enjoying Big Tuesday, a lot of record numbers this evening, exciting times.

I'm not sure if this is racist or you're joking or I misunderstand your post or exactly what you think me doing in Israel effects anything, but partypoker based in London/Gib fwiw.

1- haha thanks
2- This is really better posted on the internet poker thread, I believe that payments take longer to ensure the correct payments are paid rather than rushing payments incorrectly and then having to get $ back off players etc, of course 2 days isn't acceptable, the truth is as everybody involved with partypoker will say is that going down wasn't acceptable, nobody is happy with that, but this thread specifically is around the MTT schedule and whilst I pass on the importance of players being refunded of course, it is still way different department to what I should be focusing on at this time, but again I understand and appreciate all of your concerns and I would feel the same.

About satellites I'm unsure, will be interested to hear about how they have performed since the change, I'm sure the data will quickly say if its a positive or negative change. Will report back in couple weeks with the teams findings. I wasn't aware of the changes in the satellite, I just know the schedule very well and that the satellite team have KPI's of getting x% of field qualified.





Fortunately, its just a misread of my wording and another case of MTT / 2p2 cynicism. Don't worry I had it for years too. Of course reasonably is a "reasonable" ( ) way to approach the reduction in clocks. Prominent members of 2p2 like blakkman and others who relayed the thoughts on long clocks will tell you it has always since day 1 been my play for all low-med tournaments to be 8 min clocks since our structure is so good with so many levels. I explained the strategy behind doing it this way, I assumed it would takes multiple weeks if not months to change them rather than over performing and changing them after 1 day But that was always the plan, the guys can confirm if your cynicism remains. Not seeing the difference between the schedules is relatively strange to me when I know you are very clued up and understand the whole system. The schedule has completely changed, we dripped some stuff in over the last couple of weeks but from old->new its very very different. We used to basically have tournaments at 3pm, tournaments at 5pm and tournaments at 7pm, all buy ins, now we have tournaments every single hour, no buy ins repeated, no cannablism, very long tournaments, long tournaments, quicker tournaments, fast tournaments, turbo tournaments, daily specials, a huge increase in guarantees, complete new format (smooth) a big increase in PKOs to 6max, an introduction of 5+ new 1k+ buy ins vs 1 previously, average runner fields of more than 2-3x previous, if you expected more changes then I'm sorry but without changing the game type to chess it would have been difficult!

Hey Jambo, I think there's been about 5 different kinds of schedule since you started posting in the thread, each time complaining that you don't play on the site because its all the same, again please, please tell me 5 tournaments you want to play on the site daily and I'll try and find those 5 tournaments for you. We have 6max now which was your biggest gripe previously. Please don't just post the same stuff repeatedly because it clogs the thread up, if you started playing on the site great, we're happy to have you, if now after 2 years or so and dozens and dozens of posts we're either not the site for you or can't understand your requests. Please speak to me like a 10 year old child and the 5 tournaments you would like to start playing on partypoker, I'll try and do the rest or have very good reasons why not.

Hi, we previously had very few 215s and they were very unattractive, we now have multiple 215s every day that you can play. In a week you have amazing amount of 215s to play, we don't want people just grinding the satellites, we want people who want to play the target event, I think that is very reasonable, none of your old tickets will be now 1 week, they will stay what they were, I'm not sure how this is ""sly" or dodgy, I think its perfectly reasonable/good change and support it 100% and think amateurs/recreationals will love the change too.

GL all!

Having any kind of ticket expire in a week is very sly and dodgy, because most people would never assume that a rule like this exists. I play sattys into 109s/215s and wait for a "value" tournament that I think is better suited to my skillset. Why should I be punished for having a busy non-poker schedule the week I happen to get into one?

I was thinking the same thing. 1 week expiry is tough for people who dont play full-time. Especially as most want to save that big $215 ticket for Sunday specials only.
Admittedly I understand its good to try avoid having players farming satellites but said players play constantly anyways and therefore the 1-week expiry doesn't really affect them.

Funny you say that i was just thinking the same thing to be honest. Whats this obsession with variety? Yes its nice but if they had the exact same tournament every 30 minutes with a good mix of regs and recs and good prizepools i would grind them happily and not throw my teddy out of the cot because i want some different buyin levels.

Did people forget 4-5 years ago the only variety we got on stars was the 20% normal knockout tournaments. There wasn't a million different varieties of MTTs and no one moaned about it, in fact when there wasn't any variety we were a lot better off.

With how much moaning is going on in this thread and alot of it not including any productive discussion surprised party reply as much as they do. And no im not a party shill i have been a critic many times in the past thread and there is still a long way to go but at least have a better argument than "i want different buyin levels to stop me getting bored".

pls show how u calculated refunds

i only got my buy-in back for the tourneys i was in, that can't be correct

feels really shady

Yeah think i only got my BIs too? Rest coming tomorrow?

Yeh wheres the equity share from all the players who have busted ?

Of course things have improved and it proves two points.

1) If you throw enough mud against the wall some of it will stick. They've done how many changes and then backpeddled how many times tjis past year? Industry experts know in advance the effect of changes prior to them being implimented.

2) Money and lots of it. How much more has Party spent in extra rb, overlays, tlbs, sponsored pros over the past year compared to the year before? Likely in the 8 figures. Has this added cost been recouped? Is this budget sustainable? Would players be on Party if this money dried up? I'd say no and therefore the concept of retention is nothing but an extended promo which won't last forever.

With this insane budget how has cash game or Sng traffic done? I waited 30min the other day to see how long a Six max 5 dollar sng took to load. Even amongst mtts where numbers have def gone up does anyone question the churn rate of new players? Does anyone think a new players deposit lasts longer in Mtts when all satellites put the end winner in only 109+ mtts.

I want a real competitor to amaya as much as anyone but with this output of cash Party should have double the low stake players from a year ago across all game types and still increased high stake players by half of what they've done.

Same for me here and really hope there is something already on the way to our accounts.

But please: Everyone with refund issues:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...index1382.html

Pads just told everyone that this is the right place to ask.

It's very cute that you're concerned about the budget of a publicly traded, massive company like Party.

The one i played OVERLAY in the 0.5c, not much, and big OVERLAY in the 22$to109 and 33$t0215. With 50tickedts GTD, the prizepool was 10.7K and u had about 230 players, so about 4K/11K dead money.
Shocked also half players in the 0.5$ didn t take a 2$ add on to bood by 3 their stack, they just died few minutes after, so didn t help for the overlay....

Managed to get 109$ticked and 215$tickets first attempt on both, indeed it s easier to get tickets with more than 25% of the field paid. looking at that first day it s good to turn 4$ into over 300$ in tickets.
I prefer this formula bcz it s a step 1/2 option
The former one was 1to5to22to109 or 1to8to44to215, you had to get lucky so many times and play 6 hours.

Still, i repeat my question again and again.... why not feeding your 22$and55$ dols with 2$/5$ sats ?

dont you think that the bad client and MTT schedule (bad sat/feeders schedule) is kinda core part of the problem why there is not enough players on party compared to stars??

i mean i am not saying that if they make client descent and sat/feeders + MTT schedule good party trafic will go from 12k=>100k but i bet that in one month will go to 3x+ people playing

and i wasnt sugesting stars schedule, just saying that if u dont know what you are doing (incompetence)is way better to look in the past for solutions for problem you have and try that
when that said imo stars old schedule(2016) was working great, if guys at party for ex. (after making client first playable obv) take it as core (time slots/buy ins/speed) and take out 50% of side mtts , adjust guarantees (make good sat system for daily majors)

imo the first HUGE issue that need to be addressed and need to be fixed ASAP is terible software, then to MTT schedule, but i need to say that this new daily MTT schedule is really bad, stupid and boring

i really like you Pads and dont take it his personal but because is obv that you are one that is making schedule etc i appreciate if you answer me some questions
You (party=you btw) are saying that your main competition is stars, you are throwing away money in big overlays in histakes MTTs, bad/unfair leaderboards and sponsoring pros
How do you think to take market share from stars (rec/fun players) where you cant even get regs from starts to play on your side, how do you expect someone like me to recommend party over stars to some friend that want to fire couple of MTTs and have fun? how do you expect to grow your player pool from 1x=10x when you cant even compare party and stars...

the questions i wish you answer are:

1) Why new client update doesnt have
- hotkeys
- resizible lobby
- filters for buy in/speed/type
- option to change table color so you can have differnt mtt type=diferent table color
- in late game stacks are very hard to read because they are 7+ figures(i really cant figure out "the trip" you at party have with unnecessary huge starting stacks)
- search player function
1a)why when you have reg MTTs (before end time for points for rake back) and you are stiil in the mtt the points you will got after you bust are not calculated in points for rake back for that week? and the points between two rakeback payjumps are lost and are not continuing for next week
-imo this isue shoud be fixed till now, ether you charge points in the moment of reg MTT and paying rake or you make it till for ex 8 am or on those poinst that are betwen rake back payjumps are transfered to next week or you make it monthly thing

etc prety sure there are a couple of more stuff that should be fixed/upgraded till now

2)About MTT schedule (as you can see from pic)
off peek/earlly mtts


from 7am-14 you have 5 mtts all of them 22$ pko 5kG WTF??? Do you really trying to say to us that there cant be one 55$ 10k at 11am/ 44$ 10kG at 12:00 and 82$ pko 15k at 13h make them all 1 rentry??? you are really trying to sell us that story when we can see what MTTs (buy ins/guaranties) stars is having in those time slots?? we are not asking for bigger and more mtts then stars but at least 1/3 or 1/4 of MTT of that schedule with like 40% of total guaranties stars is giving i think is reasonable for party to have

3)Whats up with satellite strustures/system??Who came up with that idea, why is this hapeeng waht is reasoning behind it?? this is isue that i had posted about copule of times and no one respond it
the thing with stas is => for ex if you play 109$ feeder for 1k$ sat for barsa, you need to play X levels and if you end up winning seat you need to survive more or less then 10.5 players (never exactly 10.5) and you will continue into 1k with lower starting lvl that that 109$ feeder end, you will have way less then 100b and you will face/ need to play vs good players who can afford to directly buy in for 1k and they get 100bb starting stack...
just amazing and encouraging environment to play satelites ...

- the whole point of satelites is X players out of Y players to get ticket=same starting stack in MTT that they dont want/cant afford to play and take a shot in target MTT at same terms and conditions as players that directly buy into (extra price that sat winers are paying are fighting and surviving in sat field/extra time invested playing sat)
- the whole point in phase mtts is players to actually play phase1 and players that survive phase 1 field to continue to phase 2 (of course you can give option to surrender their stack and play another phase one, no problem)and NOONE can have option to directly buy in into phase 2

what have you at party done with feeders is taking the worse things from sats and phase MTTs mix them together and make some hybrid terrible feeders/sats/mtts or w/e you call them that are just beyond stupid and unplayble (every reasonable logical person when will take look at structure will realize that imo)

4) explayin the leader board system, why mid stakes guys are ****ed and histakes guys get rewarded??

5)bots, there are a ton of bots in cash games and sng so are they any house bots in MTTs too???


its late and i am tired, so thats it for now...

Also i just want to say that from my POV party is looking very shady: reports of bots every where, client is bad and no update is making it better, client is crashing when there are big money on the line, refunds are made randomly no explanation(email) for the method how they are caluclated, ton of $$$ are thrown in overlays in highstakes MTTs, sponsoring random live highstakes MTT pros, other promos for highstakes online players like leaderboards that will be won by some unknown bots and tbh all of this it looks to me like money laundering scheme or some really high incompetence of running this kind of business (which i really doubt is possible for someone to be so incomptentent and to throw so much money away)

It s gone already haha, they ve changed the sat into a Step1/2 indirect sats
0.5$to22$ot33$to109or215$
Invite you to try it out. Level is shocking (donkament in 0.5$ then in 33$ half are qualifiers) and they are generous with tickets GTD, so for a while guess it s gona be easy to harvest pricy tickets and value them in majors

I had doubts for months about playermochalov, he s been online for 3 days now, i mean...mmmm and if you sharkscope him, the volume he has is hum not really human..... they seem to drink a loooooot of redbull in Belarus/Ukraine/Russia mmmm

didnt check/list my tables before the shutdown, but i was expecting around $1500 in refunds give or take a few hundred bucks, based on # of tables, buyins, deepness of games and how it was dealt with last time this happened. got $800, which sounds like i got my buyins back basically. have posted in the thread linked above. not recieved any kind of breakdown of my reufund, and am concerned that my refund is not full up to this point.

i understand this must be a mammoth task for whoever is responsible, and that its probably taking a while to sort through

-6-max rebuy's
-4-max freezouts and rebuy's
-standard rebuy's - $2s, $5s, 11s, 22s etc, something like 5k starting stacks, 5k rebuy, 10k add-on.
-180/90 mans standard freezout every hour or so run a few $2s 5s 11s etc - 5k - 10k starting stacks lasting 3-4 hours max.
-8 max standard freezouts - smaller starting stacks - no re-entry's

Please also vary the starting stacks/structures in tournaments if possible, for example, bounty builders something like 10k starting stacks, kick offs 20k, warm ups 50k and main events 100k, this way at least each tournament would feel a little different. Basically, everything that isn't a "special" tournament have different structures.

Hi all

The refunds to date are refunds of invested funds in MTTs affected by the downtime on Sunday
We are now working on processing ICM calculations and require more time to do this.
I appreciate this is not ideal and can only offer my apologies on behalf of the team

There are a number of tournaments missing from the data and some players may not receive the full/any amount they expect because of this and is also being worked on as top priority

The refund process will continue throughout the course of today
I can assure you the whole team are working around the clock to resolve in full

Please bear with us - your patience is appreciated

Kind regards

Colette

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pads I understand u defending the expiry dates but I‘m sure u miss something here. A lot of recs will play one of these satellites without being aware of any expiration date. The Ticket they won really means something for them and they are looking forward to the experience of playing a higher staked tournament. I wonder how many of them miss the one week period, lose their ticket and turn their back on the site because you literally feel robbed. At least thats what I would feel.