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01-10-2018 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
tbh because of Bryan's history working on COOP's this question should be answered without specifics. A lot of players... myself included put a lot of faith in Bryan's ability to make solid online Series... so if he's not involved it presents a potential void that may or not be filled.
A different team have been in charge with more feedback from the players panel and team pro panel for powerfest vs Monster Series, lets see how it goes over the next month.
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01-10-2018 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays

I think I've replied to you 5+ times in the last year about 9 handed MTT's Jambo, our position hasn't changed on them. As the user base grows we will add more buy in options.
Yeah not having 9 handed mtts isn't the end of the world i admit, but what about some 6-max mtts? Your point about the user base must grow before adding more buy in options i'm not sure i understand, when i look at basically all other sites they have many different buy in options? sites that i would guess have a smaller user base than partypoker?

General questions;

-Why is the current schedule overloaded with pko's?

-Are there any plans to add different start times for tournaments other than :00?

-Why do lower stakes tournaments have faster structures than higher stakes? its something sites have always done and i'm not sure why?
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01-10-2018 , 05:13 PM
I think you guys have done a good job with adding a few more plo tournaments to the schedule. But adding a little bit of variety would be really nice; something like an 11r would be great or adding one daily 22 pko with a slightly bigger gtd. than the freezouts. A sunday special $55 would work pretty well also, I'd think.

Also adding some kind of o8 bigger than $11 would be really nice. It seems like the demand is there to expand the o8 schedule in some fashion.

Thanks!!
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01-10-2018 , 06:02 PM
So you are seriously not gonna reduce PKOs? What's the point of this thread even...
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01-10-2018 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BoxcarHobo
o8 bigger than $11 would be really nice. It seems like the demand is there to expand the o8 schedule in some fashion.
+1

A major daily / weekly would be nice.
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01-10-2018 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
The addition of daily specials will work well here allowing us to have an early version and a main version, assuringly replacing 2 pkos for v nice freeze outs.
Wanted to clarify whether I understand you right - do you plan to replace two pko slots with daily specials (early and main)?

It is great move if you are going to do so. My suggestion would be to have three buy-in levels for daily specials (for instance, $2-$22-$215, $5-$55-$530 or $11-$109-$1050); if possible even four buy-in levels.

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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Turbo in what way? The average stacks from what I have seen have always been great at 30+bbs. Just looking at 3 final tables now and they all have 40bb average.
For tournaments which start with 8 or 10 min lvl you might be right. Micro/lowstakes tournaments with 6 minute starting clock are played like turbos for first 2h-2h30m and average stack is about 20bb around bubble. I don't think that $1-$5 players are so impatient that you can't give them 8 minute clock at start (it will prolong tournament by 36 minutes if you have 8 minute clock for first 24 levels and 10 minute clock for rest of tournament).
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01-10-2018 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BoxcarHobo
Also adding some kind of o8 bigger than $11 would be really nice. It seems like the demand is there to expand the o8 schedule in some fashion.
+1


Change starting times of tournaments to something else then just :00. It destroys your schedule.
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01-10-2018 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
partypoker pros from what I've seen do as much if not more than any pro's from other sites, they are responsible for getting more and more players to the site and being fantastic ambassadors, almost all of them actually play on partypoker very regularly too at all stakes. I really don't feel like I should even have to reply to bitter, nasty, jealous, angry posts like this one and won't reply any further to users like this but I think its important the stance on the team is very clear and that they aren't unfairly criticised. I promise to other users on this forum, all members of the team also want software to be better, also want the tournaments to be optimised and all have a voice that is able to be heard in different channels.
I've obviously used huge exaggeration and sarcasm to point out key thing that needs to be taken care of before anything else on Party in order to become a serious competition to PokerStars - stable software. I simply feel like Party management puts too much pressure in creating brand (via Pro Team) and advertising product (online) that is not yet ready to keep new clients. I do agree that pro's get more players to the site, but based on MTT fields over last couple of months I don't really see these players staying at your site as regular customers.

No matter how great Pro Team is, no matter what promotions you create, at the end of the day recreational players won't use your product anymore if they got disconnected in the middle of Sunday major when having a great stack, or they have tripled up at the end of day1 only to find out their stack got reverted to state 1h before. They'll just settle with P* offering stable software , better variety of games and better experience overall.

I know you know that Pads, and I know you're mad at the end of the day by how your job is partly wasted by incompetence of Party's software team right now


Regarding schedule I'll be happy with whatever you guys create as long as you keep one schedule stable for couple of months. Let both regs and recreationals get familiar with your tournaments, let them get used to certain buyins/formats/gtds in certain timeframes and set up their daily schedules around Party schedule instead of P* only. I feel like constant changes are actually detrimental to fields' expansion right now.

Daily majors are great idea, it's worked perfectly on Stars and 888 over the years, no reason why it couldn't work for you as well.

PS: To actually give some positive feedback and credit to PartyPoker Team Pro, I'm extremely happy about how you guys put some pressure on P* in regards to live tournaments, looking forward to competitive trend being continued in 2018.
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01-10-2018 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BoxcarHobo
I think you guys have done a good job with adding a few more plo tournaments to the schedule. But adding a little bit of variety would be really nice; something like an 11r would be great or adding one daily 22 pko with a slightly bigger gtd. than the freezouts. A sunday special $55 would work pretty well also, I'd think.

Also adding some kind of o8 bigger than $11 would be really nice. It seems like the demand is there to expand the o8 schedule in some fashion.

Thanks!!
Hey, yeah it would be really nice to get high runner PLO and PLO8 fields. I think let the schedule settle, reevaluate where other sites do well in PLO and perhaps what do you think about making one of the daily specials PLO? Maybe Friday/Saturday? Idk, just an idea.

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Originally Posted by CorrectSide
So you are seriously not gonna reduce PKOs? What's the point of this thread even...
Please read my posts.

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Originally Posted by Bocmanis
Wanted to clarify whether I understand you right - do you plan to replace two pko slots with daily specials (early and main)?

It is great move if you are going to do so. My suggestion would be to have three buy-in levels for daily specials (for instance, $2-$22-$215, $5-$55-$530 or $11-$109-$1050); if possible even four buy-in levels.



For tournaments which start with 8 or 10 min lvl you might be right. Micro/lowstakes tournaments with 6 minute starting clock are played like turbos for first 2h-2h30m and average stack is about 20bb around bubble. I don't think that $1-$5 players are so impatient that you can't give them 8 minute clock at start (it will prolong tournament by 36 minutes if you have 8 minute clock for first 24 levels and 10 minute clock for rest of tournament).
We will add daily specials, where/when/what is still TBD. Feedback in general about the structures at lower stakes has been good, amateur players finishing earlier, not having to commit to long time etc. There is 1 small stakes FT running atm, they have 35bb average with 6 left.

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Originally Posted by OzzyM
I've obviously used huge exaggeration and sarcasm to point out key thing that needs to be taken care of before anything else on Party in order to become a serious competition to PokerStars - stable software. I simply feel like Party management puts too much pressure in creating brand (via Pro Team) and advertising product (online) that is not yet ready to keep new clients. I do agree that pro's get more players to the site, but based on MTT fields over last couple of months I don't really see these players staying at your site as regular customers.

No matter how great Pro Team is, no matter what promotions you create, at the end of the day recreational players won't use your product anymore if they got disconnected in the middle of Sunday major when having a great stack, or they have tripled up at the end of day1 only to find out their stack got reverted to state 1h before. They'll just settle with P* offering stable software , better variety of games and better experience overall.

I know you know that Pads, and I know you're mad at the end of the day by how your job is partly wasted by incompetence of Party's software team right now
The two teams work separately, even from different offices, different countries, different continents If one expands it is not at the detriment of the other, both have increasing amounts of money spent on them month on month.

GN all.
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01-10-2018 , 11:15 PM
Pads.. 6-max?!? Like seriously nothing at all? Powerfest has proven it will work. And if by some miracle some get added, please don't make it a PKO.
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01-11-2018 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by -UBetIFold-
Pads.. 6-max?!? Like seriously nothing at all? Powerfest has proven it will work. And if by some miracle some get added, please don't make it a PKO.
+1000000

6-max is the best format for both regs and recs. In every tournament series that you had for the last year, the 6-max events had the most success.
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01-11-2018 , 05:16 AM
what is that plz

i never said "i only want 9handed" or something...NO!!! my god!!!are you Kids?
8max is ok....but a few 9handed...6max...that we dont all get alzheimer...and in deepstack tournament with 12-15 min blinds...9handed is much better as 8max.
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01-11-2018 , 06:43 AM
A daily marathon like the one on ps would be nice. $5 and $55 is fine as buyins imo

I personally don't like PKOs but I can see why they attract players.. But I would love more freezeouts (alternative maybe 1 reentry), especially in the 17-20 cet timeslot
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01-11-2018 , 07:10 AM
3 hours of PSKO is overkill. Having 22/55/109 cannibalise each other and create small gtds which aren't attractive.

3/33 daily deepstack with long late reg like previous structures would crush I think. Same time as marathon. Even on 888 the deepstack during daytime do very well. They beat 10k for a 33$

I think later reg could be longer in Sundays. Structures feel a little quick too. Don't mind daily as they are now.

Daily specials great idea to keep schedule fresh. It's very dull.

Agree with everything said about software. I thought we were getting a big update? Only seen a new table graphic. Until software is more stable then stars will be untouched online.
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01-11-2018 , 08:37 AM
Like everyone has said too many ko and kos are pointless with small fields.So recs like kos, np, but you should only have ko tournaments in the schedule with a minimum of a 10k gtd so the fields are big enough to actually be worth playing a ko tournament, like the $11 10k gtd you had in the evening.

Structures i like, adding a few deepstacks instead of making tournaments slower again is the best was to go i think.

Software, still one of the worst in the industry, im surprised you guys accept such a pathetic job by your tech team and havent replaced them when they are costing you so much money everyday and holding back your whole project of becoming no1.

Morning/early afternoon schedule needs alot of improvement.
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01-11-2018 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Turbo in what way? The average stacks from what I have seen have always been great at 30+bbs. Just looking at 3 final tables now and they all have 40bb average.
Yeah maybe the average is at least 30bb, but it gets to that point really fast, feels like you can't really build a stack if you're not winning a big pot every orbit. 30bb is decent but cmon u've played some deepstacks on the top competitor's dailys and there the avg is often 50+ bb, at least in the mid stage.
Probably the final tables are better because the lvls go up to 14 mins?
The structures were really perfect before you made these last changes.
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01-11-2018 , 11:27 AM
"Agree with everything said about software. I thought we were getting a big update? Only seen a new table graphic. Until software is more stable then stars will be untouched online"

just open pp to see whats new. new table graphic? i have nothing new...! can you tell me Details please?

the warm ups now no pkos anymore...thats good and i hope permanent
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01-11-2018 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
Thanks all.


Yeah, I think this has potential, I know during powerfests even the 109 plo overlaid after people for asking for it to be bigger, so not sure how soon we can implement.
maybe 109 isnt the best price point? admittedly weekday fields are variable but the old sunday grand and its half price replacement always did/do pretty well, and it seems pretty likely that a lot of ppl who play would play a hypothetical simultaneous event on party. i guess powerfest could be a testing ground of sorts.
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01-11-2018 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by florianger
9handed is much better as 8max.
Can you clarify why you think so? I don't see any reason why this is the case.

Good work swapping the 18:00 slot away from PKO. Perhaps add 2 more levels early on so it's reggable at 20:00 when a lot of players will start their sessions? I very much like that the late reg was significantly reduced from the 3.5-4hr trainwreck it was before, but having it open for about 1h40 is too close not to do another 15mins and make it into the break for a clean 2 hours of latereg.

The structures also seem good to me, but perhaps ever so slightly on the fast side for the lower buyins and too fast for the micro buyins? It's not pokerstars yet where the daily fields draw 4000 players.
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01-11-2018 , 03:54 PM
thanks for making the 18:00 CET timeslot vanilla again
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01-11-2018 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by florianger
"Agree with everything said about software. I thought we were getting a big update? Only seen a new table graphic. Until software is more stable then stars will be untouched online"

just open pp to see whats new. new table graphic? i have nothing new...! can you tell me Details please?

the warm ups now no pkos anymore...thats good and i hope permanent
I'm talking about months ago
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01-11-2018 , 05:11 PM
edit:will post later

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01-11-2018 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
We will add daily specials, where/when/what is still TBD. Feedback in general about the structures at lower stakes has been good, amateur players finishing earlier, not having to commit to long time etc. There is 1 small stakes FT running atm, they have 35bb average with 6 left.
+1 for fixing warm up events.

I have impression that there is big demand for micro/low stakes deepstack/regular speed games in this forum. Please report about it to management team. If other sites can successfully run low stakes deepstacks, especially around 4pm-7pm cet, why is Party different? Are your recs unique in comparison to other sites?

To clarify: maybe deepstacks would be too much for 1$-$2 levels but there definitely is market for $1-$2 regular speed games (8-10-12 or 8-10); also there is demand for $5 and $11 deepstacks (10-12-14). It is up to you whether you fight for this segment or not. I don't mind semi-turbo (6-8-10) but they might work better for pkos at 7pm cet and 9 pm cet (especially if you say that recs want faster games and pkos). You vanilla could be slightly slower than pkos.
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01-11-2018 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
Good work swapping the 18:00 slot away from PKO. Perhaps add 2 more levels early on so it's reggable at 20:00 when a lot of players will start their sessions? I very much like that the late reg was significantly reduced from the 3.5-4hr trainwreck it was before, but having it open for about 1h40 is too close not to do another 15mins and make it into the break for a clean 2 hours of latereg.

The structures also seem good to me, but perhaps ever so slightly on the fast side for the lower buyins and too fast for the micro buyins? It's not pokerstars yet where the daily fields draw 4000 players.
+1
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01-11-2018 , 10:36 PM
At the moment at :00 you often have stuff the cannibalize each other.
like 1.1, 2.2, 5.5, 11... for the same thing. Why not instead you mix different buyin level, turbo and pko (and rebuy and hyper...) for a starting time or better start things at different times at all.
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