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Old 11-11-2018, 08:58 PM   #2826
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Re: Official partypoker/bwin 2.0 MTT Discussion Thread

I'd not played on Party Poker for a while, so this could have been changed a while ago, but what's up with the timebank nowadays?!?
Only ten seconds to act postflop (with annoying countdown sound effect starting after just four seconds) is clearly ridiculous, yet there's 20 seconds pre-flop which I don't need
Surely should have been the other way round? Especially now there's extreme stalling at the final stage of the satellite and I feel like it's never going to end :'(
Please swap round the timebank pre and post flop...
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Old 11-11-2018, 11:23 PM   #2827
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i don t know what kind of weed you smoke, but for sure it makes you blind.....well the only thing that gives you creditis that u play higher buy ins so you will always feel more happy than the 1-22$ players....

Just the point 1 is enough itself to destroy any attempt from the site to grow ..... a 5$ buy in which takes 4h30 to the money is a waste of time, especially when you can t muti table more than 3 in a let s say standard 4hr window....

your point 4 : well it s a good thing more sats are back, indeed that way it s possible to have 8 tables opened. Having sad that it s super foolish to call an hyper a sat that takes 2hr or more to finish.... misleading ppl again....
People bash me pointing the overlays, well as i said before, it s just because it leads to another change very soon....(no company can sustain thing money by the window). Half the players are registering at the last 20sec.

Right now it s quite ridiculous how tickets are nearly given away, but like in May-June, it s going to last just for a while....

For your 5-10 : I m sorry my dear but all what you mentioned here has been implemented and shortly after cancelled......THIS YEAR...... that s probably where your weed shorten your memory..... all the frustration we have is because of this ....back nd forth .... all 2018 .....
Point 1) was made duering the summer and was reversed again, imo Tourney duration are completely fine now [except some special Series]

To call it hyper or turbo is in relation to the regular duration on the site, so i would say its fair to call it "hyper" for 2h a "turbo" for 3h and a "normal" sat 4-6h.

I agree that not all Names of MTTs are making too much sense ....

5-10 are in progess btw. obv that they change things around but that seems the longterm plan they have.

It is fine that you don't agree with me, btw. I would love to see less "personal" attacks.
Calling me delusional, weed smoker and so on is not helpful but at least it makes you feel better, enjoy.
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Old 11-11-2018, 11:57 PM   #2828
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Re: Official partypoker/bwin 2.0 MTT Discussion Thread

What made the old stars so great was the ability for anyone to grind up a roll , this is nearly impossible within a decent timeframe on party currently when you can barely play a tourney an hour .

On another note having such a massive gap in buyins causes player dissatisfaction because you force people to either play above or below their preferred buyin level .
Personally I'd snap reg any $11-$22 but no way im wasting my time on a $3 tourney .

Does party not realize the total sum of buyins will be a lot higher when there are more tourneys to be played ? You gained like 3 extra players in your $11 main event after removing tourneys that consistently had 150-200+ players , seems super ineffective.

/ end rant
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Old 11-12-2018, 12:01 AM   #2829
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Point 1) was made duering the summer and was reversed again, imo Tourney duration are completely fine now [except some special Series]

To call it hyper or turbo is in relation to the regular duration on the site, so i would say its fair to call it "hyper" for 2h a "turbo" for 3h and a "normal" sat 4-6h.

I agree that not all Names of MTTs are making too much sense ....

5-10 are in progess btw. obv that they change things around but that seems the longterm plan they have.

It is fine that you don't agree with me, btw. I would love to see less "personal" attacks.
Calling me delusional, weed smoker and so on is not helpful but at least it makes you feel better, enjoy.
Nothing personal at all....it s just sad you can t see the sososo obvious.
So..... yes turbo 3hrs. normal 4-6hrs, it s correct....
That s where Party is even more retarded again with the meaningless level increases... middle game is dumb,boring and last forever for absolute no reason (reg period is over)

Example :
11$ Bounty hunter :
Total time 6hr30 (on the paper ok)
BUT
4h30 to ITM and 2hrs then to HU
playing extremely deep for no reason with not much action and extreme boredom, then when you make the money and 15-20bb poker due to structure. It has to be the opposite when you actually consolidate stacks around the final 12 players, the play become deeper and interesting...

it s all about player experience.... that s why they can t grow, they go against the very obvious that their offer is repetitive and boring from 1$ to at least 55$. If you don t have the base willing to play, the pyramid is unstable and WILL collapse.

If you are ready to wait for4 years, up to you, all players will be gone by this time
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Old 11-12-2018, 12:13 AM   #2830
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What made the old stars so great was the ability for anyone to grind up a roll , this is nearly impossible within a decent timeframe on party currently when you can barely play a tourney an hour .

On another note having such a massive gap in buyins causes player dissatisfaction because you force people to either play above or below their preferred buyin level .
Personally I'd snap reg any $11-$22 but no way im wasting my time on a $3 tourney .

Does party not realize the total sum of buyins will be a lot higher when there are more tourneys to be played ? You gained like 3 extra players in your $11 main event after removing tourneys that consistently had 150-200+ players , seems super ineffective.

/ end rant
It is very true and pure common sense. All have been asked and ignored the all 2018.

But at the end of the day, the site is run by two or 3 stables with high stakes players in the wrong key position who dictate what they want for their own interests. Pathetic Patrick Leonard posting on twitter pics of his team...8 students around a table and him pretending they don t talk to eachother or softplay during 12hrs.... who is going to trust this bullsh iiiit
No future for micro at all....

At the same time, no new games types
PLO/PLO8 with bounties....NLO8
All these games are running well at micro and it s fun

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Old 11-12-2018, 09:03 AM   #2831
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....
1)
On another note having such a massive gap in buyins causes player dissatisfaction because you force people to either play above or below their preferred buyin level .
Personally I'd snap reg any $11-$22 but no way im wasting my time on a $3 tourney .
2)
Does party not realize the total sum of buyins will be a lot higher when there are more tourneys to be played ? You gained like 3 extra players in your $11 main event after removing tourneys that consistently had 150-200+ players , seems super ineffective.

/ end rant
1) Agree, i think the Gab between 33 and 5,5 is just way to big.

I would have gone with the following
1,1/3,3 / 11 / 33 / 109 / 530
and
2,2/ 5,5/ 16 or22 /55/ 215

2) I've said the same I believe the synergy-effects from having more to play is really important. It is way better to have 3-4 Games to play for a player than only having 1-2 Games.

I could play 1-2 Games on several sites but not willing to open it for this, a bunch of players here might feel the same

Unfortunately Party has a different POV, so they cut everything to maintain their goal 1: Having big guaranteed Games....
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Old 11-12-2018, 09:11 AM   #2832
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Nothing personal at all....it s just sad you can t see the sososo obvious.
So..... yes turbo 3hrs. normal 4-6hrs, it s correct....
1) That s where Party is even more retarded again with the meaningless level increases... middle game is dumb,boring and last forever for absolute no reason (reg period is over)

Example :
11$ Bounty hunter :
Total time 6hr30 (on the paper ok)
BUT
4h30 to ITM and 2hrs then to HU
playing extremely deep for no reason with not much action and extreme boredom, then when you make the money and
2) 15-20bb poker due to structure. It has to be the opposite when you actually consolidate stacks around the final 12 players, the play become deeper and interesting...

3)it s all about player experience.... that s why they can t grow, they go against the very obvious that their offer
4)is repetitive and boring from 1$ to at least 55$. If you don t have the base willing to play, the pyramid is unstable and WILL collapse.

If you are ready to wait for4 years, up to you, all players will be gone by this time
1) To my understanding they've increased the LR by 5 lvl to get their grt done, in the longrun they wanted to delete those 5 lvl again [imo]

Otherwise i really do like the structure atm.

2) In which Games they have 15-20BBs running?
It was looked into most Games and most Games have basically all the time around 30BB average, which is for MTTs imo fine, you could go a bit faster at the beginng and slower in the end ofc, that would lead to faster decrease from 100->30-40BB Stacks and in the Ende roughly 40BB average stacks.

Both valid approaches imo.

I would love to see the early Phase shortened by the added 5 lvl and the rest is imo ok( to have 30BB avg).

3) Why do you believe they can't grow? How do you know that? Your personal opinion? If you would ask PP they would tell you they grow insanely fast atm.
So do they grow or not?

4) Repetitive or simple? You could argue for both, i somewhat like it that it is simple and not too complicated [except their constantly changing things].

Keep it Simple is imo a nice approach.
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Old 11-12-2018, 09:20 AM   #2833
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It is very true and pure common sense. All have been asked and ignored the all 2018.

But at the end of the day,
1) the site is run by two or 3 stables with high stakes players in the wrong key position who dictate what they want for their own interests.

2)Pathetic Patrick Leonard posting on twitter pics of his team...8 students around a table and him pretending they don t talk to eachother or softplay during 12hrs.... who is going to trust this bullsh iiiit
No future for micro at all....

At the same time, no new games types
PLO/PLO8 with bounties....NLO8
All these games are running well at micro and it s fun
1) Who are those people, really curious about that?
From my POV this is absolute nonsense what you are writing here, it is my suggestion that knowledge about their structures, only bc 2+2 is repeating those things, does them not be true.

2) Seems like you never had such an experience huh?
Do you actually know "flow" and how exhausting it is to loose the "flow" only to get information about a Hand from another person? How does this work in the setting on the picture?
The 1 person is yelling across the table, Joe what did you had there, quick quick, my timebank is running low, in the meantime the other 6 Players are getting pissed off as they lose their focus. Must be a very nice experience esp. within ****ing NL HOLDEM.

I had such experiences myself and for everyone it was important that people are ****ing quiet that people can focus. Do you really believe those guys are only crushing bc they share informations? They crush bc they are just playing better than the rest and the information gain is not worth the costs they bare [focus].

I play even harder against people i know and not softer, why would they softplay each other?
If i know my friend is softplaying me i am gonna crush them, it is a dilemma, if you softplay you can be abused. Ask people in stables how they feel and if they would softplay, most won't.
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Old 11-12-2018, 11:13 AM   #2834
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Is there gonna be a powerfest/other series running around the millions online or it's a solo event?
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Old 11-12-2018, 03:48 PM   #2835
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Is there gonna be a powerfest/other series running around the millions online or it's a solo event?
Its a solo event - no series at the same time
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Old 11-12-2018, 09:08 PM   #2836
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Hey, either rename the "fast" structured mtts or change the structure, caus i know one thing for sure, they are not fast. A fast, therefore turbo mtt, shouldnt take 7-8 hours with 600 runners.

thx
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Old 11-12-2018, 10:02 PM   #2837
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The problem with Party to me it seems is that they don't know what they want to be, seem to just be "going for" different images while forgetting that without the proper due diligence, nobody cares about their end goal if it comes to massive costs.

The guarantees have come at the cost of the stable issues, it seems insane that Party could ever think that someone running a stable can in no way have a conflict of interest in the advice he gives them.

Same thing happened with the crazy live guarantees which have been entirely tarnished.

Finally the scheduling, stacks and tourny length have all gone so wrong and ofc why would these things come about unless it were for them getting bad advice from the guy running a stable? What is the point of 100k stacks, 10+ hour tournaments, 6+ hour "turbos" etc were they not just ways for a stable to destroy.

On the bright side, they updated the software, but there are still major bugs and don't have zooms tournament despite them being around for nearly a decade now.

Apart from software updates and good rakeback which most players can't even take advantage of, there isn't much there apart from GLARING issues and conflicts of interest.

What Party should do is focus on trying different marketing approaches, focus on having a solid schedule and then experimenting with different ideas i.e zooms, plo bounties, short deck, tourny of the day and not stressing so much about guarantees or whether or not Pavel the guy who plays 12 hours a day 6 days a week can earn $3-400 more in rakeback. The fundamental problem is that apart from full time grinders who just want to mash buttons and reduce their variance 10+ hours a day doing whatever it takes to squeeze water out of stones, there really isn't much reason to choose Party over Stars, that is to say if they were doing something different with games or something that really benefited the average player who likely isn't putting in $100+ of rake daily, then people could start to switch or even if there were different marketing campaigns, but right now, this direction doesn't seem to be beneficial for recs or even regs that aren't sickos.
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:37 AM   #2838
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What Party should do is focus on trying different marketing approaches, focus on having a solid schedule and then experimenting with different ideas i.e zooms, plo bounties, short deck, tourny of the day and not stressing so much about guarantees or whether or not Pavel the guy who plays 12 hours a day 6 days a week can earn $3-400 more in rakeback. The fundamental problem is that apart from full time grinders who just want to mash buttons and reduce their variance 10+ hours a day doing whatever it takes to squeeze water out of stones, there really isn't much reason to choose Party over Stars, that is to say if they were doing something different with games or something that really benefited the average player who likely isn't putting in $100+ of rake daily, then people could start to switch or even if there were different marketing campaigns, but right now, this direction doesn't seem to be beneficial for recs or even regs that aren't sickos.
yes, just by having a good product>>>get more loyalty and regular players

Whatever you are given when you start on the site when you join....if your play experience is terrible (6-10hrs 'fast' no sense) you don't stick with it more than a month
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:55 AM   #2839
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1) Who are those people, really curious about that?
From my POV this is absolute nonsense what you are writing here, it is my suggestion that knowledge about their structures, only bc 2+2 is repeating those things, does them not be true.

2) Seems like you never had such an experience huh?
Do you actually know "flow" and how exhausting it is to loose the "flow" only to get information about a Hand from another person? How does this work in the setting on the picture?
The 1 person is yelling across the table, Joe what did you had there, quick quick, my timebank is running low, in the meantime the other 6 Players are getting pissed off as they lose their focus. Must be a very nice experience esp. within ****ing NL HOLDEM.

I had such experiences myself and for everyone it was important that people are ****ing quiet that people can focus. Do you really believe those guys are only crushing bc they share informations? They crush bc they are just playing better than the rest and the information gain is not worth the costs they bare [focus].

I play even harder against people i know and not softer, why would they softplay each other?
If i know my friend is softplaying me i am gonna crush them, it is a dilemma, if you softplay you can be abused. Ask people in stables how they feel and if they would softplay, most won't.
the more you talk, the more i realize you are on pills or more...

I play even harder against people i know and not softer, why would they softplay each other?

1- BECAUSE THEY CAN LADDER TO TOP 3 PAID POSITIONS WHERE BIG $ ARE.
PERSONAL INTEREST AND STABLE INTEREST.

2- SHARING INFOS : WTF ! MESSENGER ! SKYPE ! IN WHICH WORLD ARE YOU LIVING.
IF YOU HOLD AK AND YOU KNOW IN A 3 BET POT SOMEONE FOLD A5o AND LET S SAY 66....(extreme case) WHAT DO YOU FEAR ON a A610 FLOP ? YOU OPPONENT IS WAY MORE LIKELY TO BLUFF OR THE COMBOS THAT BEAT YOU ARE JUST 1 OR 2....
THAT S WHY THEY CAN TALK TO EACHOTHER IF THEY HAVE TO PLAY THE SAME GAMES.
3- CHIP DUMPING IF ONE IS SHORT ? STEALING EQUITY ON 3 WAY ALL INS . NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL AT YOUR EYES...F>>>K

Yes, you can still win anyway, but the fact that an ambassador of the site is involved is completely ****ed up.
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Old 11-13-2018, 09:18 AM   #2840
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Hey, either rename the "fast" structured mtts or change the structure, caus i know one thing for sure, they are not fast. A fast, therefore turbo mtt, shouldnt take 7-8 hours with 600 runners.

thx
completely agree, this was said already several times, a 5min Smooth is like a 8min regular game, which was faster than their 10-14min Games but it is still not "fast". I would count it as regular game.
5-7Min Regular Games
4min Fast
3min Turbo
2min Hyper

1 exceptions are 530+ Games, as player fields are way smaller min-lvl can be higher.
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Is there gonna be a powerfest/other series running around the millions online or it's a solo event?
Starting 19 November there is a KO-Series coming.


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the more you talk, the more i realize you are on pills or more...

I play even harder against people i know and not softer, why would they softplay each other?

1- BECAUSE THEY CAN LADDER TO TOP 3 PAID POSITIONS WHERE BIG $ ARE.
PERSONAL INTEREST AND STABLE INTEREST.

2- SHARING INFOS : WTF ! MESSENGER ! SKYPE ! IN WHICH WORLD ARE YOU LIVING.
IF YOU HOLD AK AND YOU KNOW IN A 3 BET POT SOMEONE FOLD A5o AND LET S SAY 66....(extreme case) WHAT DO YOU FEAR ON a A610 FLOP ? YOU OPPONENT IS WAY MORE LIKELY TO BLUFF OR THE COMBOS THAT BEAT YOU ARE JUST 1 OR 2....
THAT S WHY THEY CAN TALK TO EACHOTHER IF THEY HAVE TO PLAY THE SAME GAMES.
3- CHIP DUMPING IF ONE IS SHORT ? STEALING EQUITY ON 3 WAY ALL INS . NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL AT YOUR EYES...F>>>K

Yes, you can still win anyway, but the fact that an ambassador of the site is involved is completely ****ed up.

1) To ladder and play conservative vs other regs is within the nature of ICM and not a specific Stable thing.
So how many Stable players can ladder to the top3 spot? 3 right?
Stable Interest: Imo your view is to narrow, Stables are operating on a different view imo. Their work is coaching and making players better and the money will come from this alone.

2) Your first Assumptions is right, eveyone who knows each other could share those informations regardless of stables or not.
Take Vienna f.e , there are 50-100 Regs here and people are living together. I would know several players at my tables but why should i put the work into it to write them on skype to get informations and so on?
Thats a ****ton of work and nobody is doing this within your regular session, it takes so much focus from your other tables away. First i need somebody willing to share those informations, then the effort to execute this all, while playing maximum tables.
If i am deep in an MTT's your assumtions are valid, everyone who knows somebody at the table could potentially share informations. Do you think within a stable of 100 Players everyone knows everyone and everyone is happy to share their Hands while running deep with a different person only bc they are together in a stable? You will always have some players close related which can share informations, is this happening? Probably to some extend-yes. It is specific for stables and are stables pushing for this behaviur-no!

3) So if i am in a Stable i have a contract with my stable owner and not with other players within the stable. So i am a bigstack in a deeprun and someone of my stable is short, why would i want him to be in the Game, i take care that he will bust as the game will become way better for me`? Why would i give Equity from my stack to somebody else, only bc he is in my stable? Assume i give him chips which are woth 100$, do i get now 100$ from him or will he do the same next time? It is just not working like what....
Stealing Equity 3 handed and that collusion is possible at ALL TIMES is ofc a problem but not a stable secific one. Thats a problem of a small REG-Playerbase which is well-connected after 5-10 years of playing. Is Cheating happening- absolutely but it is more a problem if people knowing each other for long-times and not bc they are playing i a stable. A stable could help connect people- sure.

4) Your assumption that Pads is doing this for his stable is just wrong, the more you repeat it doesn't make it true.
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:37 AM   #2841
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First of all I would like to apologize to partypoker and partypoker Live and also to people who have read my vented posts. This was done out of frustration, confusion and overall lack of clarity to a system I had invested my time, money and future into. I reached out to partypoker via email several times and received no replies, saying that, I could have handled this situation better. I should not have contacted fellow regular players on partypoker to influence them without knowing all of the facts. I also intend to contact the media outlets who picked up my story, and share with them what I have learned to help make this right.

I have been speaking the last few 5 days with a Partypoker Rep who I know and trust 100%, he mediated a discussion between myself, Rob Yong, founder of PP Live, Tom Waters, MD of partypoker. Rob was very annoyed that I had not come it him first instead of using third party social media and forums, but I was unaware that he had a player group where players had direct access to him. I understand now that Rob is the main advisor to GVC for poker and has been since 2014 but he prefers to not do this publicly and does not engage in any form of social media or third party forums.
I would now like to try to clear up some confusion regarding statements I made.

-The PPL$ and leaderboard money are backed and guaranteed by Party Poker. The funds are held in segregated accounts which actually had a balance exceeding that of the amount of the total PPL$ in circulation. I was not privy to directly seeing this information (which is understandable), but the Party Rep was. In any case, Party Poker is directly responsible for guaranteeing the funds and PP Live guarantees and is owned by GVC, a FTSE top 100 company, so that’s the end of that really. I understand that Party Poker and Party Poker Live are effectively the same outfit but for certain jurisdictions where online poker is prohibited but live poker is allowed, PP Live is used to ensure that the PP Live APP can be submitted to locally and payments between live venues can be made smoothly. As we say in the crypto world, your funds are SAFU. This was by far the biggest concern.


-They agreed that the interpretation from posts in the BRS Facebook Group was that BRS players that had won PP Live Dollars were having their balances transferred to a central BRS fund, and then BRS picking the best players to play. Rob Yong had never seen the BRS Screenshots before and was shocked and immediately messaged Paul Jackson, owner of BRS, without any notice and the Partypoker Rep was pasted the replies instantly in real time and conversations retained. BRS were holding their players PP Live Dollars to restrict the level of event that a player played, for example, if a BRS player won a $5K, but was perceived to be negative ROI in a $5K buy-in, BRS would only allow them to play a lower buy-in event. These funds are said to be segregated by player. To be fair to me, when Rob saw the evidence I presented, he initially thought exactly the same thing as me. Given the knowledge regarding the segregation and assurance of our own PPL$ funds, I do not believe any thing that happened placed an unfair systemic risk on others as previously stated.


-One of my major grievances was that PP Live T and C’s initially permitted players to use their PP Live Dollars for Online Satellites. Rob confirmed that he asked PP Live to stop this a few weeks into the Leaderboard, as the intention was that PP Live Dollars could only be used for high buy-in major satellites outside of the PP Live Dollars Tree, such as CPP and MILLIONS World and WSOPE. Rob said it was very unfair to other lower bankroll leaderboard players and also to the live venues that effectively online grinders could win the leaderboard prizes without actually playing a live event by simple re-cycling PP Live Dollars. He admitted that the T & Cs were worded badly. I do think partypoker are doing many good things, but maybe they are running too fast and communication needs to improve, even if their intentions are honorable, they should not just change their T and Cs in 24 hours and not inform us. At a minimum, we should have been given 1 months’ notice in my opinion.

-I asked a number of questions on preferential treatment of stables. Rob was surprisingly open about his views on stables. He said that he looks upon a Stable as a VIP or Affiliate and that stables are a key part of the poker community helping start satellites and growing more feeders and satellites. He said although the accusations were actually false about BRS being able to swap or use PP Live Dollars for online sats, he would have no hesitation giving a preferential deal if a stable added value and its none of anyone’s business what deals he makes with stables, affiliates or VIPS. He said he had offered Leaderboards to stables to help start Satellites and if a stable was putting 10+ players into a Live Event, he would want to do them a deal to help with expenses. He said most of the time his friends who stake players for fun help him out as a favor, he even admitted that one of his friends flew over 50 players to MILLIONS Sochi in 2017 to support him when they missed the guarantee by 1 player, and that he offered to pay for the private jet but his friend declined.

-I do not regret speaking up, people should never be afraid to speak up for what they feel is right. As players a healthy level of skepticism is necessary in this industry given the course of events over time. But not all operators are equal. Party today is not the same company they were in 2006 and I should not have made comparisons with their Monster event 12 years ago. Corporations evolve, and values shift. Speaking with the people at Party, it is clear that they have player's interests in mind. If party don’t want to respond on social media and third-party forums though, they need to make it clear what the right channels are, if I had known that Rob Yong had a player group on Discord, I would not have vented my frustrations publicly. The 2+2 discussion got out of hand very quickly. I accept some blame for inciting this. I had tried to reach out to people at every step of the way but was left feeling like no one at party cared and I did not act with malicious intent towards Party or the growth of poker in general.


-I do regret opening the door for others to take this opportunity of weakness to attack Party with malicious intentions of their own. I understand now competitors jumped on the bangwagon opening fake accounts which I don't think is right, and not something I expected. The discussion got so out of hand with personal threats and details from newly registered accounts on all sides of the argument, that moderators had to lock the thread to clean it up. This is not a healthy way to establish meaningful discourse, and I can't fault Party for staying away from that. I also regret that things I contributed to a thread helped add to this toxicity. While there are genuine concerns in the thread, I don't feel that it serves the interests of the players, and does a lot to damage to both Party Poker and the overall perception/growth of the poker market. The thread is filled with lies, the fake accounts as mentioned, and first time posters spreading misinformation. I feel secure in being able to to recant my statements regarding PPL$ at this point and admit where I was wrong. I won't be contributing to the thread any more, and I think it would be best to just move forward from this issue and have it put to rest.

-In terms of PPL$, the call for action has been answered in my opinion. I am satisfied with the continuing discussions we've had on the matter. Most importantly the solvency of not just my funds, but those of others. I will reach out to the regs/people that have contacted me and make sure this is clear to them in case they miss this post or have any lingering doubts.

I've voiced and shared other concerns about the PPL$ system and Rob Yong seems willing to work on certain areas on qualifying players and live poker, especially to help the recreational players to have a more level playing field by making main events freezeouts and investing in more feeders. He's bounced a lot of ideas to me, and I feel some of the things discussed would be great for the games ahead.

I could see myself rising from #2 to become the #1 player on the leaderboard when I continue playing online after the CPP. I will now be able to put my money confidently into PPL$ and partypoker, although we left initial chats with Rob saying that he doesn’t ever want my business or any other players who does not have Party’s back. He offered to return me the money for my hotel and flights as he doesn’t want me or any other people involved in this chapter at the CPP. I'm stubborn though, so I am here anyways. I spoke with Rob Yong at the CPP. I apologized face to face for the mistakes I feel I've made, while also voicing my frustrations at the lack of communication I received during this process. I also continued offering further advice on areas of improvement for the future. It was a long conversation between the 2 of us, furthering on everything that had been discussed since last Sunday. Another respected player ran into us towards the end, and was also allowed to take part in these discussions. I was delighted with this openness.

I think have said everything I can on this matter now. I still believe that players deserve the three things I talked about: communication, transparency, and security. My faith in all three have been restored over the last days and I felt it was important to share that with all of you. These words are my own, and I believe that they are an accurate representation of the PPL$ situation.

-TJXOLOSFAN1


(also I want to add one more thing from twitter as I am posting here and had to retype everything by hand as my original document didn't auto save on wordpad. I was offered nothing, given nothing. no secret deals. everything is out in the open with PPL$. i may agree or disagree or certain other things we discussed, but the evidence shown and the discussions that took place make me feel comfortable enough to post this. I understand people may continue to be skeptical, but as I said, I will continue to be a part of this system that I had called into question and had among the most to lose. I already have other PPL$ regs reaching out to me to who also share relief in this resolution)
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Re: Official partypoker/bwin 2.0 MTT Discussion Thread

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Re: Official partypoker/bwin 2.0 MTT Discussion Thread

Hi, haven't been able to get a straight answer from the Party twitter accounts or support, wanna clarify how the MILLIONS online tickets/satties/potential refunds work,

1) Example: Day 1A, I reg with CASH (does PP LIVE $$ count as "cash"?), I also reg those 530 sats, I make it through to Day 2 on that first 1A cash bullet but also win ticket(s) in the 530 sat(s), do I get a refund on these extra 5300 ticket(s)?
2) Same question but I reg Day 1 with a ticket (not cash)- Make it through to Day 2, but also win 5300 ticket(s) in the 530 sat(s), do those get refunded into T$?
3) Redundant question but just to provide a different-but-same angle: I'm through to Day 2 after Day 1A. Can I grind the 530 sats the rest of the week/on Day 1B/1C/1D etc. and win T$? Does it depend on whether my successful 1A bullet was bought-in with Cash or a ticket?

I know this seems dumb as hell but I read the terms and conditions a bunch of times and it's just worded so ambiguously, and twitter answers from support were not helpful at all.

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