Nothing personal at all....it s just sad you can t see the sososo obvious.
So..... yes turbo 3hrs. normal 4-6hrs, it s correct....
That s where Party is even more ******ed again with the meaningless level increases... middle game is dumb,boring and last forever for absolute no reason (reg period is over)

Example :
11$ Bounty hunter :
Total time 6hr30 (on the paper ok)
BUT
4h30 to ITM and 2hrs then to HU
playing extremely deep for no reason with not much action and extreme boredom, then when you make the money and 15-20bb poker due to structure. It has to be the opposite when you actually consolidate stacks around the final 12 players, the play become deeper and interesting...

it s all about player experience.... that s why they can t grow, they go against the very obvious that their offer is repetitive and boring from 1$ to at least 55$. If you don t have the base willing to play, the pyramid is unstable and WILL collapse.

If you are ready to wait for4 years, up to you, all players will be gone by this time

It is very true and pure common sense. All have been asked and ignored the all 2018.

But at the end of the day, the site is run by two or 3 stables with high stakes players in the wrong key position who dictate what they want for their own interests. Pathetic Patrick Leonard posting on twitter pics of his team...8 students around a table and him pretending they don t talk to eachother or softplay during 12hrs.... who is going to trust this bullsh iiiit
No future for micro at all....

At the same time, no new games types
PLO/PLO8 with bounties....NLO8
All these games are running well at micro and it s fun

1) Agree, i think the Gab between 33 and 5,5 is just way to big.

I would have gone with the following
1,1/3,3 / 11 / 33 / 109 / 530
and
2,2/ 5,5/ 16 or22 /55/ 215

2) I've said the same I believe the synergy-effects from having more to play is really important. It is way better to have 3-4 Games to play for a player than only having 1-2 Games.

I could play 1-2 Games on several sites but not willing to open it for this, a bunch of players here might feel the same

Unfortunately Party has a different POV, so they cut everything to maintain their goal 1: Having big guaranteed Games....

1) To my understanding they've increased the LR by 5 lvl to get their grt done, in the longrun they wanted to delete those 5 lvl again [imo]

Otherwise i really do like the structure atm.

2) In which Games they have 15-20BBs running?
It was looked into most Games and most Games have basically all the time around 30BB average, which is for MTTs imo fine, you could go a bit faster at the beginng and slower in the end ofc, that would lead to faster decrease from 100->30-40BB Stacks and in the Ende roughly 40BB average stacks.

Both valid approaches imo.

I would love to see the early Phase shortened by the added 5 lvl and the rest is imo ok( to have 30BB avg).

3) Why do you believe they can't grow? How do you know that? Your personal opinion? If you would ask PP they would tell you they grow insanely fast atm.
So do they grow or not?

4) Repetitive or simple? You could argue for both, i somewhat like it that it is simple and not too complicated [except their constantly changing things].

Keep it Simple is imo a nice approach.

1) Who are those people, really curious about that?
From my POV this is absolute nonsense what you are writing here, it is my suggestion that knowledge about their structures, only bc 2+2 is repeating those things, does them not be true.

2) Seems like you never had such an experience huh?
Do you actually know "flow" and how exhausting it is to loose the "flow" only to get information about a Hand from another person? How does this work in the setting on the picture?
The 1 person is yelling across the table, Joe what did you had there, quick quick, my timebank is running low, in the meantime the other 6 Players are getting pissed off as they lose their focus. Must be a very nice experience esp. within ****ing NL HOLDEM.

I had such experiences myself and for everyone it was important that people are ****ing quiet that people can focus. Do you really believe those guys are only crushing bc they share informations? They crush bc they are just playing better than the rest and the information gain is not worth the costs they bare [focus].

I play even harder against people i know and not softer, why would they softplay each other?
If i know my friend is softplaying me i am gonna crush them, it is a dilemma, if you softplay you can be abused. Ask people in stables how they feel and if they would softplay, most won't.

Is there gonna be a powerfest/other series running around the millions online or it's a solo event?

Its a solo event - no series at the same time

Hey, either rename the "fast" structured mtts or change the structure, caus i know one thing for sure, they are not fast. A fast, therefore turbo mtt, shouldnt take 7-8 hours with 600 runners.

thx

The problem with Party to me it seems is that they don't know what they want to be, seem to just be "going for" different images while forgetting that without the proper due diligence, nobody cares about their end goal if it comes to massive costs.

The guarantees have come at the cost of the stable issues, it seems insane that Party could ever think that someone running a stable can in no way have a conflict of interest in the advice he gives them.

Same thing happened with the crazy live guarantees which have been entirely tarnished.

Finally the scheduling, stacks and tourny length have all gone so wrong and ofc why would these things come about unless it were for them getting bad advice from the guy running a stable? What is the point of 100k stacks, 10+ hour tournaments, 6+ hour "turbos" etc were they not just ways for a stable to destroy.

On the bright side, they updated the software, but there are still major bugs and don't have zooms tournament despite them being around for nearly a decade now.

Apart from software updates and good rakeback which most players can't even take advantage of, there isn't much there apart from GLARING issues and conflicts of interest.

What Party should do is focus on trying different marketing approaches, focus on having a solid schedule and then experimenting with different ideas i.e zooms, plo bounties, short deck, tourny of the day and not stressing so much about guarantees or whether or not Pavel the guy who plays 12 hours a day 6 days a week can earn $3-400 more in rakeback. The fundamental problem is that apart from full time grinders who just want to mash buttons and reduce their variance 10+ hours a day doing whatever it takes to squeeze water out of stones, there really isn't much reason to choose Party over Stars, that is to say if they were doing something different with games or something that really benefited the average player who likely isn't putting in $100+ of rake daily, then people could start to switch or even if there were different marketing campaigns, but right now, this direction doesn't seem to be beneficial for recs or even regs that aren't sickos.

yes, just by having a good product>>>get more loyalty and regular players

Whatever you are given when you start on the site when you join....if your play experience is terrible (6-10hrs 'fast' no sense) you don't stick with it more than a month

the more you talk, the more i realize you are on pills or more...

I play even harder against people i know and not softer, why would they softplay each other?

1- BECAUSE THEY CAN LADDER TO TOP 3 PAID POSITIONS WHERE BIG $ ARE.
PERSONAL INTEREST AND STABLE INTEREST.

2- SHARING INFOS : WTF ! MESSENGER ! SKYPE ! IN WHICH WORLD ARE YOU LIVING.
IF YOU HOLD AK AND YOU KNOW IN A 3 BET POT SOMEONE FOLD A5o AND LET S SAY 66....(extreme case) WHAT DO YOU FEAR ON a A610 FLOP ? YOU OPPONENT IS WAY MORE LIKELY TO BLUFF OR THE COMBOS THAT BEAT YOU ARE JUST 1 OR 2....
THAT S WHY THEY CAN TALK TO EACHOTHER IF THEY HAVE TO PLAY THE SAME GAMES.
3- CHIP DUMPING IF ONE IS SHORT ? STEALING EQUITY ON 3 WAY ALL INS . NOT POSSIBLE AT ALL AT YOUR EYES...F>>>K

Yes, you can still win anyway, but the fact that an ambassador of the site is involved is completely ****ed up.

completely agree, this was said already several times, a 5min Smooth is like a 8min regular game, which was faster than their 10-14min Games but it is still not "fast". I would count it as regular game.
5-7Min Regular Games
4min Fast
3min Turbo
2min Hyper

1 exceptions are 530+ Games, as player fields are way smaller min-lvl can be higher.
Starting 19 November there is a KO-Series coming.



1) To ladder and play conservative vs other regs is within the nature of ICM and not a specific Stable thing.
So how many Stable players can ladder to the top3 spot? 3 right?
Stable Interest: Imo your view is to narrow, Stables are operating on a different view imo. Their work is coaching and making players better and the money will come from this alone.

2) Your first Assumptions is right, eveyone who knows each other could share those informations regardless of stables or not.
Take Vienna f.e , there are 50-100 Regs here and people are living together. I would know several players at my tables but why should i put the work into it to write them on skype to get informations and so on?
Thats a ****ton of work and nobody is doing this within your regular session, it takes so much focus from your other tables away. First i need somebody willing to share those informations, then the effort to execute this all, while playing maximum tables.
If i am deep in an MTT's your assumtions are valid, everyone who knows somebody at the table could potentially share informations. Do you think within a stable of 100 Players everyone knows everyone and everyone is happy to share their Hands while running deep with a different person only bc they are together in a stable? You will always have some players close related which can share informations, is this happening? Probably to some extend-yes. It is specific for stables and are stables pushing for this behaviur-no!

3) So if i am in a Stable i have a contract with my stable owner and not with other players within the stable. So i am a bigstack in a deeprun and someone of my stable is short, why would i want him to be in the Game, i take care that he will bust as the game will become way better for me`? Why would i give Equity from my stack to somebody else, only bc he is in my stable? Assume i give him chips which are woth 100$, do i get now 100$ from him or will he do the same next time? It is just not working like what....
Stealing Equity 3 handed and that collusion is possible at ALL TIMES is ofc a problem but not a stable secific one. Thats a problem of a small REG-Playerbase which is well-connected after 5-10 years of playing. Is Cheating happening- absolutely but it is more a problem if people knowing each other for long-times and not bc they are playing i a stable. A stable could help connect people- sure.

4) Your assumption that Pads is doing this for his stable is just wrong, the more you repeat it doesn't make it true.

Crosspost from the other Thread.
Good kid and well played sir.

You're no longer planning a Highroller Series from Nov 25 – Dec 5?

Hi, haven't been able to get a straight answer from the Party twitter accounts or support, wanna clarify how the MILLIONS online tickets/satties/potential refunds work,

1) Example: Day 1A, I reg with CASH (does PP LIVE $$ count as "cash"?), I also reg those 530 sats, I make it through to Day 2 on that first 1A cash bullet but also win ticket(s) in the 530 sat(s), do I get a refund on these extra 5300 ticket(s)?
2) Same question but I reg Day 1 with a ticket (not cash)- Make it through to Day 2, but also win 5300 ticket(s) in the 530 sat(s), do those get refunded into T$?
3) Redundant question but just to provide a different-but-same angle: I'm through to Day 2 after Day 1A. Can I grind the 530 sats the rest of the week/on Day 1B/1C/1D etc. and win T$? Does it depend on whether my successful 1A bullet was bought-in with Cash or a ticket?

I know this seems dumb as hell but I read the terms and conditions a bunch of times and it's just worded so ambiguously, and twitter answers from support were not helpful at all.

Thanks

Good questions, would like to know answers myself too (reg'd day1a with ticket already + might well play sats if they pay T$ instead of forced money wasting by forcing to play multiple day1s after qualifying to day2).

Hud not working with new patch? pt4?

new graphics/design looks nice and all but theres 21 $5-$33 hold em tourneys during dead hours (7 am - 2pm CET) and only 12 during peak hours (5pm - midnight CET ) , in what universe does this make any sense ??

Same with HM2

Yes, same here. HUD not working, PT4.

Okay, HM2 does work but HUD has to be added manually to the table through Table Finder feature.

The new tournament lobby looks horrible. Can we at least get the option to use the previous one? There was nothing wrong with it.

New Tournament Lobby is to small, is it possible to to make the lobby bigger? Cant see Bountys+Prizepool won complete.

+1

Thanks for changing the header, now the Buyin is clearly visible.
New Lobby looks really nice, very nice feature to make the lobby small while having all informations needed.