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10-05-2018 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Well it is and it isn't.

If people don't like the mix max then why reg them? Playing a tourney for the sake of it is hardly a good idea.

If numbers reduce they won't be on the client. It's simple supply and demand. If demand is there they stay.

People bitching about them and still clicking them is hypocritical and pointless.

I don't like them or at least the amount of them so I don't reg them!

Vote with your $
# Agree again, if numbers incrrease in MixMax games it is fair for them to assume those games are popular, if you hate it vote with your entries.
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10-05-2018 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Rihard4a
If you can't see why there are players who don't multi-site when playing like other grinders do then there is no point having the conversation over this since you lack the understanding of the subject.
whos mistake is it then?
the players who is depending on 1 entity or the pokersites?
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10-05-2018 , 08:56 AM
designed for late reg..... i said i dont wanna give a big comment ab the structure...

...yes with late reg it's ok....but this is not my idea from a tournament....bec. late reg Players shouldnt have an Advantage! late reg for me means- i got ~ tt or ak and go ai or bet the half of my stack....if i double up i am in the game if not ,out. now you can Play A poker even if you late reg in the last second...i think that is sick.

and if you have good blindlevel...but a structure where the Chips blindlevel after blindlevel nearly dont grow...you have no dynamic in the game....!

i dont wanna speak anymore ab the structure- i dont like it- but i am not god, so if the most Players like it(i dont believe this) do it! just my Feedback!- for this we have this thread-Feedback.

Last edited by florianger; 10-05-2018 at 09:17 AM.
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10-05-2018 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by schmette
I think that is not the truth btw.
good possible it's not the truth - just speculation from my side
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10-05-2018 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Alexo
I think you misunderstand how stables work, a horse doesn't equal a slave
good possible- just speculation from my side.

i dont think horses are slaves -from beginn on....but later maybe,some....and i could bet (without any Background or real idea ab stables) some "horses" in some stables are very unhappy persons....yes you could say "slaves" .
I could be wrong.
"bei Geld hört die Freundschaft auf" - we say in Germany!
however: let us better speak ab something different/ more important

btw. sorry...i think from now on/from next post i get it with the Quote/replay sry

Last edited by florianger; 10-05-2018 at 09:41 AM.
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10-05-2018 , 10:20 AM
I did Forget 1 Thing:

The 1,5k Gtd 3,3 buy in rebuy tournament (it was 2,2 buy in before) i would test with 1,1 buy in OR 2,2 buy in with 1,- rebuys and an 1,- or 2,- addon

i think it would run great
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10-05-2018 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by schmette
whos mistake is it then?
the players who is depending on 1 entity or the pokersites?
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10-05-2018 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Logical user
Do party segregate player funds from operational expenses?
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Originally Posted by party_Rep
No
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Originally Posted by Frogman3
Customer funds are kept in accounts separate from business accounts but they would form part of the assets of the business in the event of insolvency. This meets the Gambling Commission’s requirements for the segregation of customer funds at the level: basic segregation.

https://www.partypoker.com/terms-and-conditions.html

So don't worry they keep your funds separate until they need them
There is basic / medium or high protection . Stars is high btw with funds stored in an independent trust account .
Wow, I had no idea about this.

I must say that I'm a bit worried, because we have a poker site that pushes its guarantees and accepts constant overlays, and now I find out that the player funds are not segregated. The last time I heard about something like this it was about Full Tilt and it was shown to be a ponzi scheme.

Combine this information with the amateur style that transpires from some of Party's actions and one should be allowed to worry a bit. I really want Party to succeed, like most of us here, but I think we shouldn't ignore warning signs.

The financial information on this page https://www.partypoker.com/disclosure-statement.html in the Group Control dates from June 2014. Colette, can you please share updated numbers of the Group Customer Funds and the Group's cash and cash equivalents balances?

Last edited by vvtinu; 10-05-2018 at 11:36 AM. Reason: added link to disclosure statement page
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10-05-2018 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rihard4a
Your point is that some players have to play bc they have to pay their bills, my point is if you are a "professional" as you have to pay your bills from poker-related income, that it is your job that you are not depended on 1 Pokersite. As a professional it is your job to find the best for your business, if party is not offering the best for you than it is your job to find someone who is offering somewhat what you looking for.
For some regions like france, spain i have to agree that your options are somewhat limited
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Originally Posted by florianger
good possible it's not the truth - just speculation from my side
thats is btw a problem, if everybody is specualting about things which are not facts, some people dont know that you are speculating and thing you are not just speculating.....
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Originally Posted by florianger
designed for late reg..... i said i dont wanna give a big comment ab the structure...

...yes with late reg it's ok....but this is not my idea from a tournament....bec. late reg Players shouldnt have an Advantage! late reg for me means- i got ~ tt or ak and go ai or bet the half of my stack....if i double up i am in the game if not ,out. now you can Play A poker even if you late reg in the last second...i think that is sick.

and if you have good blindlevel...but a structure where the Chips blindlevel after blindlevel nearly dont grow...you have no dynamic in the game....!

i dont wanna speak anymore ab the structure- i dont like it- but i am not god, so if the most Players like it(i dont believe this) do it! just my Feedback!- for this we have this thread-Feedback.
If you think LR is so much better, then LR every Game, everyone should do what they want and think is best for them. Some people like to play deeper, some want to play shorter stacksizes, choose what you prefer and be happy.
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10-05-2018 , 12:20 PM
sry, such a bullsxxx haha....what im doing here!
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10-05-2018 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by schmette
Your point is that some players have to play bc they have to pay their bills, my point is if you are a "professional" as you have to pay your bills from poker-related income, that it is your job that you are not depended on 1 Pokersite. As a professional it is your job to find the best for your business, if party is not offering the best for you than it is your job to find someone who is offering somewhat what you looking for.
For some regions like france, spain i have to agree that your options are somewhat limited
Yeah, you clearly didn't get my point. I wasn't saying that I am dependant on one pokersite. I play multiple sites. I was talking about the majority of players, who are by the way recreational players DO NOT multi-site. I was just saying that I am playing whatever PartyPoker offers because I need volume to pay my bills. That is all. So even if I don't like Mix-Max I will still play them because my bills don't care what I like or not like. This is ****ing simple if you read the post.
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10-05-2018 , 05:04 PM
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would form part of the assets of the business in the event of insolvency
Сolette, could you please clarify, what does it mean? Funds might be confiscated in case of the bankruptcy?
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10-05-2018 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rihard4a
Yeah, you clearly didn't get my point. I wasn't saying that I am dependant on one pokersite. I play multiple sites. I was talking about the majority of players, who are by the way recreational players DO NOT multi-site. I was just saying that I am playing whatever PartyPoker offers because I need volume to pay my bills. That is all. So even if I don't like Mix-Max I will still play them because my bills don't care what I like or not like. This is ****ing simple if you read the post.
yep thats a fair point
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10-05-2018 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by anzhei
Сolette, could you please clarify, what does it mean? Funds might be confiscated in case of the bankruptcy?
Well, the word "might" is probably inaccurate
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10-05-2018 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Luke
Additionally, I wanted to provide some clarification regarding the tickets being awarded in the daily Bounty Builders. These tickets are not added; they are taken from the player contributed prize pool. I agree that the fact that they are classified as satellites to future events is confusing, so beginning Monday, the tournaments will target a tournament with the name of the ticket being awarded. Lastly, these tickets will not expire for five years and will be available for use in all tournaments with the same buy-in from October 22nd.

Good luck!
Not expecting a reply or this feedback to be passed on but pokerstars tickets dont expire for 5 years and partys expire within a week or 2.

Guess my point is why must everything be used asap? Seems there is a obsession on building up mtts as quickly as possible. If you offer everything that stars was before the amaya takeover you won't need to ram every tournament with must play satty seats. Stars built the best software/schedule/support and reaped the rewards. Even 4 years after the takeover and steady decline they still have the support of the regs and recs due to their superiority in the above categories.
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10-06-2018 , 07:25 AM
Because party tickets are added as a bonus while these tickets are taken from the prize pool, having them expire within a week would be stealing
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10-06-2018 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Not expecting a reply or this feedback to be passed on but pokerstars tickets dont expire for 5 years and partys expire within a week or 2.

Guess my point is why must everything be used asap? Seems there is a obsession on building up mtts as quickly as possible. If you offer everything that stars was before the amaya takeover you won't need to ram every tournament with must play satty seats. Stars built the best software/schedule/support and reaped the rewards. Even 4 years after the takeover and steady decline they still have the support of the regs and recs due to their superiority in the above categories.
It seems that their argument is: Recs are using their tickets anyway within this time period. REGS are used to accumulate those tickets and "abuse" the satelite-system and collecting multiple tickets. They want to have those Sats more for recs than regs, thats why they force Regs to use those tickets immediately. Basically more Recs can win tickets.

At least i can understand this viewpoint.
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10-06-2018 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by schmette
It seems that their argument is: Recs are using their tickets anyway within this time period. REGS are used to accumulate those tickets and "abuse" the satelite-system and collecting multiple tickets. They want to have those Sats more for recs than regs, thats why they force Regs to use those tickets immediately. Basically more Recs can win tickets.

At least i can understand this viewpoint.
I think it's a flawed logic though. Regs are much more likely to be able to use tickets within the time frame than recs are. I could play every satellite in a day and even if I won every single one I could use them within a week given how aggressive re-entries are on Party, a rec who can only play a few days a week would have a much harder time using the same amount of tickets. Also anecdotally from this thread we can see that many recs have had tickets expired or been victims of an unclear policy.

I also think calling it abuse to win tickets is misrepresenting the situation. It's abuse when people used to win seats in 3x turbos on stars and unreg the target tournament and just take T$ money. But when people are actually awarded a ticket the money is put back into the schedule at some point regardless of when it will expire.

Personally I skip satellites on Party because I find it worrisome how the biggest stable that has a direct relationship with Party has satellites as their most frequent games but I do wish they had a more player friendly policy for those people who still wish to play those games.

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Originally Posted by Alexo
Because party tickets are added as a bonus while these tickets are taken from the prize pool, having them expire within a week would be stealing
I'm pretty sure it's the policy for all tickets though, not just the recent ones that are taken from the prize pools. I have had both live and SM tickets that doesn't expire until many years later.
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10-07-2018 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Logical user
Do party segregate player funds from operational expenses?
Yes - would be the correct answer!
My mistake for misreading the question - I read players, not player funds
My apologies


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Originally Posted by florianger
Colette's anwser is- "no"? do i undertsand that correct?

no ?? what plz?? what the
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
+1

I think she must have misread the question... but would like clarification on this.
Correct, sorry See edited response above ^^


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Originally Posted by Frogman3
Customer funds are kept in accounts separate from business accounts but they would form part of the assets of the business in the event of insolvency. This meets the Gambling Commission’s requirements for the segregation of customer funds at the level: basic segregation.

https://www.partypoker.com/terms-and-conditions.html

So don't worry they keep your funds separate until they need them
There is basic / medium or high protection . Stars is high btw with funds stored in an independent trust account .
All player funds are indeed in separate accounts from business expenditure funds and safe
More details can be found on the website
I've asked the relevant teams to address and ensure the info on site is updated and recent



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Originally Posted by vvtinu
Wow, I had no idea about this.

I must say that I'm a bit worried, because we have a poker site that pushes its guarantees and accepts constant overlays, and now I find out that the player funds are not segregated. The last time I heard about something like this it was about Full Tilt and it was shown to be a ponzi scheme.

Combine this information with the amateur style that transpires from some of Party's actions and one should be allowed to worry a bit. I really want Party to succeed, like most of us here, but I think we shouldn't ignore warning signs.

The financial information on this page https://www.partypoker.com/disclosure-statement.html in the Group Control dates from June 2014. Colette, can you please share updated numbers of the Group Customer Funds and the Group's cash and cash equivalents balances?
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Originally Posted by anzhei
Сolette, could you please clarify, what does it mean? Funds might be confiscated in case of the bankruptcy?
As above, funds are kept separated and would not be affected
GVC is financially strong and we have no reason to be worried about bankruptcy - further financial details for the company can be found on the internet or our home web pages for all to review

Regarding the link above, I have asked the relevant teams to review and update the information

Thanks

Colette
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10-07-2018 , 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by mement_mori
I think it's a flawed logic though. Regs are much more likely to be able to use tickets within the time frame than recs are. I could play every satellite in a day and even if I won every single one I could use them within a week given how aggressive re-entries are on Party, a rec who can only play a few days a week would have a much harder time using the same amount of tickets. Also anecdotally from this thread we can see that many recs have had tickets expired or been victims of an unclear policy.

I also think calling it abuse to win tickets is misrepresenting the situation. It's abuse when people used to win seats in 3x turbos on stars and unreg the target tournament and just take T$ money. But when people are actually awarded a ticket the money is put back into the schedule at some point regardless of when it will expire.

Personally I skip satellites on Party because I find it worrisome how the biggest stable that has a direct relationship with Party has satellites as their most frequent games but I do wish they had a more player friendly policy for those people who still wish to play those games.



I'm pretty sure it's the policy for all tickets though, not just the recent ones that are taken from the prize pools. I have had both live and SM tickets that doesn't expire until many years later.
Agreeing that it is not abusive that regs play those satelites if they play the games in the end.

I've said the same things regarding the 7 days expiring for the tickets but was told that recs will use their tickets mostly at the same day and it happens very rarely that they are not using the tickets within 7 days.

If tickets expire players still have the option to contact the support and i would think that the support is listening to the players and if if happens for the first time that tickets expire, they probably will give another ticket.

In the end it is a decision made by their team but i think they listened to all the arguments and came to the conclusion that it is best for them to deal with it how they've done it.
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10-07-2018 , 11:34 AM
My PT4 seems to just randomly work sometimes and sometimes not in Party MTTs. I have the latest version. anyone else have the same problem? Any fix?
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10-07-2018 , 11:42 AM
Why have you scheduled 2 same 109 phase1 satellites (to 530 millions) in each timeslot?
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10-08-2018 , 03:12 AM
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Originally Posted by user12345
Why have you scheduled 2 same 109 phase1 satellites (to 530 millions) in each timeslot?
Which game or time slot are you referring too, please?
I see them in the lobby for every two hours
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10-08-2018 , 08:07 AM
hey,

idk if this has been discussed prior, but please consider adding "ICM chop" in the dealmaking options. its 2018, cmon.
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10-08-2018 , 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by turoo
hey,

idk if this has been discussed prior, but please consider adding "ICM chop" in the dealmaking options. its 2018, cmon.
As a chip leader, I wouldn't agree to an ICM chop anyway.
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