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10-04-2018 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Logical user
Do party segregate player funds from operational expenses?
No


Regarding the 100k start stack - feedback as always is mixed, some love the structure, some hate it
I disagree strongly "no one wants to play the first level with 100k" - many, many players have commented on the new structures and appreciate the changes

Late reg was decreased lately and is an area we will continue to monitor and review

"Every MTT should have the buyin in the first part of the name in the lobby so that it gets listed in the first part of the window title bar instead of at the very end. I just checked and even with a 1200 pixel window width the buyin of some games still isn't viewable. I have no problem quickly knowing the buyin of the game I am playing when I am playing the Big 215 or Sunday 500 on Stars, I shouldn't have this issue on Party"

Strongly agree and will raise with the team for consideration/review - hopefully, we can get some improvements in place for the next release

With regards to Mix Max - currently, this format is very popular with our players Feedback has been overwhelmingly positive and as I stated previously, yes we need to find the right balance with these and other formats in the regular schedule - work in progress

"8 max games should have 9 handed FTs and 6 max games should have 7 handed FTs, especially for games which aren't no limit." - this is already under review and the team are working on it


Thanks

Colette
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10-04-2018 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by party_Rep

Regarding the 100k start stack - feedback as always is mixed, some love the structure, some hate it
I disagree strongly "no one wants to play the first level with 100k" - many, many players have commented on the new structures and appreciate the changes

With regards to Mix Max - currently, this format is very popular with our players Feedback has been overwhelmingly positive and as I stated previously, yes we need to find the right balance with these and other formats in the regular schedule - work in progressColette
But what is the point in 100k starting stacks? why create this problem in the first place?

This thread is a waste of time, you seem to take more feedback from other sources than here, which is fine, but i struggle to see the purpose of this thread. And where are you getting feedback from? Facebook? people that don't know how to spell poker.
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10-04-2018 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jambo227
But what is the point in 100k starting stacks? why create this problem in the first place?

This thread is a waste of time, you seem to take more feedback from other sources than here, which is fine, but i struggle to see the purpose of this thread. And where are you getting feedback from? Facebook? people that don't know how to spell poker.
Why do you think that their poker team are just idiots, only bc they do a different style of improvements? You absolutely do not have to agree to the way they do it but to pretend that they are just idiots is just idiotic itself.
2+2 is pretending to be the most important thing ever and every feedback given is the "truth" and has to be changed. A ton of people here don't even write if they like it but if 5-20 people here are yelling it makes the "truth".
I really don't get it. Read this whole thread and most of the time it is somewhat hateful and and people are arguing over and over about grea areas like if 100k stack is better or not.

Mix-Max it is the same, their data is telling them that people like those games, 2+2: get rid of them we hate them.

They killed the leaderboards and nobody says anything good about it.

They offer a ****ing 33$ 200k and nobody says anything about it.

I get it, not everything is going awesome and not every change they make is perfect but at least they are trying to change something.

If you hate it so much, why not play on a different pokersite where they do the changes you want?
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10-04-2018 , 09:29 AM
I generally don't care whether the starting stack size is 100k, 200k or 1kk... It doesn't really matter as long the amount of BBs doesn't change. Because there is no difference between 10k starting stack at 50/100 and 100k at 500/1000. It doesn't matter.

What really confuses me is that Party says that Mix-Max is super popular following feedback. I wonder where does the feedback come from? All I see on every single platform I browse, the majority of people don't like it. Period. I have never received an e-mail from Party ever to ask for feedback.
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10-04-2018 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by schmette
Why do you think that their poker team are just idiots, only bc they do a different style of improvements? You absolutely do not have to agree to the way they do it but to pretend that they are just idiots is just idiotic itself.
2+2 is pretending to be the most important thing ever and every feedback given is the "truth" and has to be changed. A ton of people here don't even write if they like it but if 5-20 people here are yelling it makes the "truth".
I really don't get it. Read this whole thread and most of the time it is somewhat hateful and and people are arguing over and over about grea areas like if 100k stack is better or not.

Mix-Max it is the same, their data is telling them that people like those games, 2+2: get rid of them we hate them.

They killed the leaderboards and nobody says anything good about it.

They offer a ****ing 33$ 200k and nobody says anything about it.

I get it, not everything is going awesome and not every change they make is perfect but at least they are trying to change something.

If you hate it so much, why not play on a different pokersite where they do the changes you want?
I don't think they are idiots, i think they are inexperienced. In truth, of course the starting stacks is a minor issue, but my issue is that they don't seem to make changes based on suggestions from this forum. A lot of my comments are out of frustration, the fact they do so many things non-standard. The nature of a discussion forum is going to bring more complaints than positives imo. You are right, i do play on other sites, i would like to play on party if they offered better games.
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10-04-2018 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Rihard4a
I generally don't care whether the starting stack size is 100k, 200k or 1kk... It doesn't really matter as long the amount of BBs doesn't change. Because there is no difference between 10k starting stack at 50/100 and 100k at 500/1000. It doesn't matter.

What really confuses me is that Party says that Mix-Max is super popular following feedback. I wonder where does the feedback come from? All I see on every single platform I browse, the majority of people don't like it. Period. I have never received an e-mail from Party ever to ask for feedback.
My guess is feedback is coming from number of entrants to the tournies
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10-04-2018 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Logical user
Do party segregate player funds from operational expenses?
Colette's anwser is- "no"? do i undertsand that correct?

no ?? what plz?? what the
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10-04-2018 , 12:08 PM
the new new new new structure is- BAD ! a joke is that but i can't laugh ab it!

what is the Goal of this Company?

yea but thx for 100k starting stack back...only Thing is with this structure...NO!! !!!! it's obv. and i would feel stupid to make a bigger comment ab this !


first time in all years bwinparty together i did not Play one single game 6 days!

designed for late reg.

Last edited by florianger; 10-04-2018 at 12:32 PM.
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10-04-2018 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
My guess is feedback is coming from number of entrants to the tournies
That's not really feedback considering there are no other types of MTTs to play at that given time.
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10-04-2018 , 12:47 PM
It's rather sad that great input given at this thread goes for waste because of super incompetent MTT management who seems to be more interested to promote super staking company goals rather than growing up PartyPoker. And all reply we get from this "MTT team" is like this:

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If you hate it so much, why not play on a different pokersite where they do the changes you want?
And most of us are playing on other sites. But we would wish to see you sacked and PartyPoker restored to its former glory (which it would be without you with this high marketing budjet).

But for some small issue: 100 seat added live sats (0,55 and 2,2) don't seem to launch @ 18 CET, just seen one 2,2 to launch yesterday. Easy fix would be make 2 different 50 seat added (18 CET and 20 CET would seems reasonable).
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10-04-2018 , 12:54 PM
To the Feedback's


all the stables give for sure Feedback too....and THIS is in my eyes a ~no go /dangerous/call it whatever....bec the many horses have an owner....his Feedback is that what the bounch of Players then firer up...to Party.

maybe....this is so..i have no idea. if so i can tell you, the end result will be not what you expect.
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10-04-2018 , 01:30 PM
I agree 100k stacks are hardly a real issue - they've been around long enough that people should be getting use to them by now!! Same with structures, if you dont like deepstack poker then late register or play a turbo! Simples.

However it is pretty annoying that the schedule has been changed (AGAIN) - this time midweek! IMO this is the biggest problem ATM and for the past year - impossible to get any consistency.

Now virtually EVERYTHING outside the 4pm-6pm slot (UK time) is 6-max or mix-max ... unbelievable. I'm very curious as to where the feedback that people don't enjoy playing full-ring mtts anymore is coming from ...

Last edited by Gooner933; 10-04-2018 at 01:45 PM.
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10-04-2018 , 02:31 PM
I like the 100k starting stacks I dont really get what the fuss is about. learn basic maths or use BBs like most people.

I think the structure are ok actually, if u want quicker structures there are other sites for you.

what I do agree with is changing the schedule completely so often is not optimal. Plus calling some tournaments fast when they are not is kinda silly as a naming convention.

I like that party are willing to experiment and not keep the same stale schedule like stars does. However it is being way overdone.
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10-04-2018 , 03:59 PM
I also really wonder where the positive feedback about Mix/Max is coming from, I can't remember a single positive word about it. It's just a really weird format and I will continue not to play any of these tournaments which resulted in me playing 0 MTTs on party last Sunday.
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10-04-2018 , 04:13 PM
I've been looking at the things that Party Poker been doing for the last 15 months or so and it feels like this is the site we should all support. It seems like they have all the right people working for them, respectable people representing the site as "sponsored pros" and they do offer lot of free value to their customers. They improved the software dramatically (last update beeing the most important one) and the playing expierience is much better.

It's not all great though. Let's look at the tournament schedule and the crazy things that have happened to it the last 12 months. I don't remember the exact date (around the time they announced Millions Online) but they released a brand new tournament schedule and they said they been working on it for months it will stick and it's god damn awesome! And it was! Every day you had something special, different types of tournaments and in my opinion it was something Party Poker could market to recreational players. They had great names for the days, tournaments and all the bright shiny colours, that's the **** you need for the casual players. It simply looked fun and structures were great. What the hell happened? The question I wanna ask is - how do you expect to grow with current schedule? You have to make it exciting for the casual player and now it's little bit weird. I mean now you have 3 main events a day... If you wanna use the name "Main event" you can use that name once a day and add different buy-ins. Then with the Bounty hunters... I mean really? Can't you just pick some interesting name for every tournament you run? It doesn't matter to the pros, but you should market your product to recreational players. Make it fun. You have all the resources, ambition to overtake stars, you have to think in creative ways to make that happen. "Smooth" blind levels won't do it.

Then with the rewards... You can bash Pokerstars all you want for the way they treated pros, but they do get it when it comes to catering to the fun player. The rewards system on Party poker is boring as hell. You don't get **** if you don't put in massive volume, there are no monthly levels, nothing fun and exciting about the process. I think Pokerstars went too far with the chests, but their prevoius vip program with the "steps" was a good one, probably close to perfect. Take that, add some cool VIP freerolls and you got yourselves a great VIP program.

Make it fun, if you run a promotion make it fun one, if you add more tournaments think of a cool name, create more exciting vip program, create more and better avatars, market your product more. You do that and Rob Young won't have to ***** about players staying on Pokerstars on Joe Ingram's podcast.

It was a long ramble, but my main point is - Party poker make playing poker on your site... a Party!
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10-04-2018 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by florianger
Colette's anwser is- "no"? do i undertsand that correct?

no ?? what plz?? what the
+1

I think she must have misread the question... but would like clarification on this.
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10-04-2018 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by florianger
bec the many horses have an owner....his Feedback is that what the bounch of Players then firer up...to Party.
I think you misunderstand how stables work, a horse doesn't equal a slave
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10-04-2018 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rihard4a
That's not really feedback considering there are no other types of MTTs to play at that given time.
Well it is and it isn't.

If people don't like the mix max then why reg them? Playing a tourney for the sake of it is hardly a good idea.

If numbers reduce they won't be on the client. It's simple supply and demand. If demand is there they stay.

People bitching about them and still clicking them is hypocritical and pointless.

I don't like them or at least the amount of them so I don't reg them!

Vote with your $
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10-04-2018 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
Well it is and it isn't.

If people don't like the mix max then why reg them? Playing a tourney for the sake of it is hardly a good idea.

If numbers reduce they won't be on the client. It's simple supply and demand. If demand is there they stay.

People bitching about them and still clicking them is hypocritical and pointless.

I don't like them or at least the amount of them so I don't reg them!

Vote with your $
Not every player on Party players on other sites, therefore they have no other options but to play them if they want to play tournaments during the time these mix-max run. I don't like them, but my bills don't care what I like or not.

Just because of people play them, doesn't necessarily mean that most of them like them.

Imagine a shop that sells only Pepsi. If customers buy Pepsi at that given shop, is that evidence that those same people prefer Pepsi over Coca-Cola? I'll give you a hint, it doesn't. Since nobody questioned those people, we might never know whether they prefer Coca-Cola or Pepsi. Hope this analogy explains this.
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10-04-2018 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by florianger
Colette's anwser is- "no"? do i undertsand that correct?

no ?? what plz?? what the
Customer funds are kept in accounts separate from business accounts but they would form part of the assets of the business in the event of insolvency. This meets the Gambling Commission’s requirements for the segregation of customer funds at the level: basic segregation.

https://www.partypoker.com/terms-and-conditions.html

So don't worry they keep your funds separate until they need them
There is basic / medium or high protection . Stars is high btw with funds stored in an independent trust account .
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10-04-2018 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rihard4a
Not every player on Party players on other sites, therefore they have no other options but to play them if they want to play tournaments during the time these mix-max run. I don't like them, but my bills don't care what I like or not.

Just because of people play them, doesn't necessarily mean that most of them like them.

Imagine a shop that sells only Pepsi. If customers buy Pepsi at that given shop, is that evidence that those same people prefer Pepsi over Coca-Cola? I'll give you a hint, it doesn't. Since nobody questioned those people, we might never know whether they prefer Coca-Cola or Pepsi. Hope this analogy explains this.
Go to a shop that sells coca cola or play on another site . Can't see why you would be only able to play on party
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10-04-2018 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Frogman3
Go to a shop that sells coca cola or play on another site . Can't see why you would be only able to play on party
If you can't see why there are players who don't multi-site when playing like other grinders do then there is no point having the conversation over this since you lack the understanding of the subject.
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10-05-2018 , 04:55 AM
The starting stack discussion should come to an end now.

100k is good!

More 8max over the day and something like the 3,3 buy in tournaments we had , back, would be good. I can agree with 8max 5,5 buy in games too.

I would Change the 2,2 buy in main Event to 3,3 or 5,5 buy in....3k - 5k gtd would be good.

I would Change the 1,1 buy in 2,5k gtd bountyhunter to 3,3 buy in and 2,5k gtd (how it was pre powerfest...) it was a really nice tournament with 3,3 buy in- if i correct remember hit the gtd always...sometimes ~3k in the pool.

The new structure....yes, if you late reg it's good playable....but i think this is not a good/perfect solution.
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10-05-2018 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
And most of us are playing on other sites. But we would wish to see you sacked and PartyPoker restored to its former glory (which it would be without you with this high marketing budjet).
Can you clarify who you want to be "sacked" please?

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Originally Posted by florianger
the new new new new structure is- BAD ! a joke is that but i can't laugh ab it!
Why are they bad?

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Originally Posted by UPAY4DINNER
My guess is feedback is coming from number of entrants to the tournies
Seems like or feedback from other internal teams.

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Originally Posted by jambo227
I don't think they are idiots, i think they are inexperienced. In truth, of course the starting stacks is a minor issue, but my issue is that they don't seem to make changes based on suggestions from this forum. A lot of my comments are out of frustration, the fact they do so many things non-standard. The nature of a discussion forum is going to bring more complaints than positives imo. You are right, i do play on other sites, i would like to play on party if they offered better games.
No they are not making changes 100% regarding this forum, why would they do so? They want to gather feedback and see where are huge issues, this feedback is given here and mostly it is listen to it. In some Points (like 100k stacks, even Leaderboards, grt, Structures) they are not listening to everyone as they have their own goals and agenda, which has to be accepted in the end by everyone.

Ive made a dozen of posts in the old thread out of pure frustration but it does not help if 10 people do so.... I can completly understand this frustration.

Inexperienced or not, it is their weakness and at the same time their strength, so go over the line of perfection a dozen of times which leads to bad outcomes but thats the process to gain informations and improve things.
Breaks things and see what is working, fail evaluate correct improve reapeat.

We should not forget that this is helping in some situations aswell. Who is willing to put that much money, resources, energy and so on into poker nowadays?Who is willing to give Stars competition? Who is willing to make this leaderboards, 30$ 200ks, 5k with 20kk online? Making such big grt even if they overall, making 1kk grt even if they overall and so on? With those benefits and "break-things-style" not everything is perfect but in the end it is helping us all.
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Originally Posted by buffyslayer1
I like that party are willing to experiment and not keep the same stale schedule like stars does. However it is being way overdone.
Agree, sometimes it is really frustrating that they overdo things, which are stupid from an outside perspective.
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10-05-2018 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by florianger
To the Feedback's


all the stables give for sure Feedback too....and THIS is in my eyes a ~no go /dangerous/call it whatever....bec the many horses have an owner....his Feedback is that what the bounch of Players then firer up...to Party.

maybe....this is so..i have no idea. if so i can tell you, the end result will be not what you expect.
I think that is not the truth btw.
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