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10-01-2018 , 12:54 PM
I am so sickened by PartyPoker and their complete lack of integrity, once again.

It's been every time announced that leaderboard would run until November.

But now web site reads: "You only have until 30th September to score tickets on the MILLIONS Online Leaderboards!" with no advance warning or anything.

While it's okay to do such major changes, doing them fully in the shadow with no advance warning is super scummy way to act. Much as scummy as like dropping guaranteeds announced earlier.

Yes you changed your own T&C:s and most Party's own pages, but all the infomation is still in place:

Quote:
Every week from now until the end of November, the operator has committed to giving away over $60,000 in tournament tickets, with the top finishers in the leaderboard winning direct entry into the tournament, valued at $5300.
https://pokerfuse.com/news/law-and-r...rboard-prizes/

Also stated @ mypartypokerlive

"The MILLIONS Online Leaderboards began back in March, and have been positively bursting with extra value ever since. lncredibly, over $3M will be given out in total over the year by the leaderboards. You can win a share of over $60,000 every single week by finishing in the top twenty of the leaderboards, in the form of prizes ranging from $109 satellite tickets, to $5,300 seats to the earth-shattering $20M guaranteed MILLIONS Online event from November 25th to December 5th."

I would say it's 50-50 if guaranteed for Millions Online will be $20M or it'll be dropped to $10M or $15M.

If you would have announced it properly and informed players that you're pulling the plug out from this promotion, it would be proper to inform players about it. Via e-mail, social media and here would be a good start.
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10-01-2018 , 02:21 PM
+1

Really disappointing to see leaderboard promo has suddenly been ended without warning.
Promised one thing ... do another. Way to win customer trust.
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10-01-2018 , 04:44 PM
I think the leaderboard idea is absolutely stupid and it should be brought to an end. But the end is when they said would be the end... not when they feel like it. The time to make that decision is prior to announcing what you are going to do not during the promo.

#beancounters have finally arrived at Party.
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10-01-2018 , 04:45 PM
Looks like the new main events will take forever to make the money
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10-01-2018 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
Looks like the new main events will take forever to make the money
hey, they put back 100k, but they also added more level of blinds, hahaha faking tricky snakes... ridiculous
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10-01-2018 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 2MuchLuckWillKillU
started playing on party in 2016 once it became clear stars was **** over players .

honestly party has done far too little to compete with stars

only things i can think of are 5% rake on turbos/kos and adding some unraked rebuys

sadly party keeps on removing/changing tourneys day in day out , anyone with a brain would add tons of $11-$33s and try to grow them , rather than have 1-2 with big guarantees and reduce guarantees the day after when nobody plays them .

a big problem on party IMO is the fact there's no big lowstakes tourneys at peak hours :
look at the 8pm CEST timeslot for example

winamax : fievre 10 25k
stars.es : bigger 10 25k
888 : big fish 16.5 15k
stars.eu : big 11 30k

party ? $5 3k gtd mix max turbo

Because structures .... and the most ridiculous is that they say it s to improve PLAYER EXPERIENCE ///// LOOOL

Fievre : 7000 players >>> 7hrs to HU
PP : 300players >>>> 6hrs to HU

Fievre = popular for ages reaching records
PP = well hum we change it next week

mor ooons
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10-02-2018 , 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by FarseerFinland
I am so sickened by PartyPoker and their complete lack of integrity, once again.

It's been every time announced that leaderboard would run until November.

But now web site reads: "You only have until 30th September to score tickets on the MILLIONS Online Leaderboards!" with no advance warning or anything.

While it's okay to do such major changes, doing them fully in the shadow with no advance warning is super scummy way to act. Much as scummy as like dropping guaranteeds announced earlier.

Yes you changed your own T&C:s and most Party's own pages, but all the infomation is still in place:



https://pokerfuse.com/news/law-and-r...rboard-prizes/

Also stated @ mypartypokerlive

"The MILLIONS Online Leaderboards began back in March, and have been positively bursting with extra value ever since. lncredibly, over $3M will be given out in total over the year by the leaderboards. You can win a share of over $60,000 every single week by finishing in the top twenty of the leaderboards, in the form of prizes ranging from $109 satellite tickets, to $5,300 seats to the earth-shattering $20M guaranteed MILLIONS Online event from November 25th to December 5th."

I would say it's 50-50 if guaranteed for Millions Online will be $20M or it'll be dropped to $10M or $15M.

If you would have announced it properly and informed players that you're pulling the plug out from this promotion, it would be proper to inform players about it. Via e-mail, social media and here would be a good start.
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Originally Posted by Gooner933
+1

Really disappointing to see leaderboard promo has suddenly been ended without warning.
Promised one thing ... do another. Way to win customer trust.
Yes the leaderboards have now ended however we have added increased value in our sat offering


•$5.5M+ in Mega satellite guarantees November 25 – December 4
•$750K in ADDED seats in our new ADDED satellite programme which started September 23
•New weekly MILLIONS Online ADDED [Final] with$5,300 Seats ADDED and no direct buy-ins. Players must qualify via a $109 buy-in [Phase 1].
•New daily MILLIONS Online BONUS Satellite: 1 x $5,300 Seat Added with a buy-in of just $55
•Daily $530 buy-in satellites will continue to run

Further details below:

Mega Satellites
- Our Mega Satellites with have a buy-in of $530 with unlimited re-entries.
Over 1000 $5,300 seats GTD totalling more than $5.5 million in prizepools

ADDED Phase Satellites
We are running a Phased satellite schedule with an unprecedented 10 x $5,300 seats added every week. With a Phase 1 buy-in of just $109 and no direct buy-ins to the Final, this presents our best opportunity ever for the $109 player to with their seat for MILLIONS Online.
- $109 Phase 1s daily at 3pm, 5pm, 7pm, 9pm, 11pm and 1am UK
- Players cannot buy in directly to the final, they must qualify via any MILLIONS Online ADDED [Phase 1]
- Winners automatically carry chip their chip stack through into the next weekly Phase Final every Sunday at 9 pm where 10 x $5,300 MILLIONS Online seats will be added to the prize pool
- Additional $5,300 seats will be awarded for every $5,300 accumulated via Phase 1 buy-ins
- Players may play as many Phase 1s as they like but only their largest stack will be carried forward into the Final

BONUS Satellites
With a buy-in of just $55 and 1 x $5,300 Seat ADDED to every game, these offer our players tremendous value and the cheapest direct satellite into MILLIONS Online.



Thanks

Colette
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10-02-2018 , 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by anzhei
Opened the client to check out the new improved structure.

Found out that in Main Event it takes 17 levels (*5 min = 85 min) for blinds to increase from 500/1000 up to 1000/2000.

Closed the client.
the by far best structure/blindlevel in the last years was -

8-10-12min, this was not only acceptable it was VERY GOOD-best of the poker sites! good would be 10-12min or 8-10min too...with NORMAL blindstructure.

I was afk but/and i thougt this must be an mistake by the poster.... but today after log in at the partyclient i see it's true.

I have a high Motivation/time to Play today...i will test...have to say i have no high hopes that i will enjoy this structure but let's see!

The new main Event time i like , i can say! 5,5 buy in with 5k gtd was/would be better (for me) ! what do you think ab to Change the 2,20 buy in main Event to ~ 3,3buyin 3k gtd or 4,4buyin 3k/4k
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10-02-2018 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by party_Rep

this presents our best opportunity ever for the $109 player to with their seat for MILLIONS Online.
- $109 Phase 1s daily at 3pm, 5pm, 7pm, 9pm, 11pm and 1am UK
- Players cannot buy in directly to the final, they must qualify via any MILLIONS Online ADDED [Phase 1]
- Winners automatically carry chip their chip stack through into the next weekly Phase Final every Sunday at 9 pm where 10 x $5,300 MILLIONS Online seats will be added to the prize pool

BONUS Satellites
With a buy-in of just $55 and 1 x $5,300 Seat ADDED to every game, these offer our players tremendous value and the cheapest direct satellite into MILLIONS Online.



Thanks

Colette

So can you tell us what percentage of players 109 ++ buy in represent ???
U care about the top of the pyramid before have grown the bottom..... again it s a no sense......... it s clear that nothing is done for 1-22$ players and you still pretend to care about the ecology of poker........

Really, Phil Galfon site might represent the only hope....after a year nobody trust you anymore
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10-02-2018 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by florianger
the by far best structure/blindlevel in the last years was -

8-10-12min, this was not only acceptable it was VERY GOOD-best of the poker sites! good would be 10-12min or 8-10min too...with NORMAL blindstructure.

I was afk but/and i thougt this must be an mistake by the poster.... but today after log in at the partyclient i see it's true.

I have a high Motivation/time to Play today...i will test...have to say i have no high hopes that i will enjoy this structure but let's see!

The new main Event time i like , i can say! 5,5 buy in with 5k gtd was/would be better (for me) ! what do you think ab to Change the 2,20 buy in main Event to ~ 3,3buyin 3k gtd or 4,4buyin 3k/4k

Don t bother, they have added a lot of levels on the 100k structures, pretty same than previous 200k..... 4hrs to ITM minimum
the most disgusting is that they hope nobody will notice..... as colette comunicate before, we brought back 100k stack (LIE)
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10-02-2018 , 06:33 AM
yeah these levels seem steep for late reg like what 27 levels in some mtts.

i really echo some of the other guys comments that its a shame to see such a good site getting this type of thing wrong, right , then wrong again, over and over.

i really like the sites update, but still obviously think the schedule could be made smaller on a whole but with offerings for everyone,

i know that a small stakes flagship mtt should be brought back, mixmix is whatever, but sometimes its better to have a variety of touraments each day, makes things less repeteive for regs and even alot of recs.

hope that things get sorted soonish, regards, jamie bury
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10-02-2018 , 07:07 AM
i do like the addition of the daily rebuy 10k seems pretty good though will try support when i can to a nice mtt rebuy that isnt raked and 10k gtd
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10-02-2018 , 08:31 AM
It would've been great improvement if Colette's message would have been posted to all players around 23rd of September. Leaderboard players wouldn't have been made angry for informing nothing. And informing players about new satellites would've been done at the same time. Topic it as: Millions Leaderboards come to an end - But we have great new satellite additions!

Instead of some meaningless "poker passport" spam (when we already have a ticket) you should concentrate on posting such issues, which actually include good promotions and important announcements.

And when you change tournaments, as someone posted earlier please consider making same kind of informative post like MPN MTT rep does: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...54&postcount=2

At least then we would have a place to follow different changes. Take one or two from MTT team to post it, takes like 5 min per day without their names should they wish so.
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10-02-2018 , 08:42 AM
for example stars has a 33 5k pko starting at 10am uk time same time as the 5k 22 pko on party mixmax.

both got 245 runners but at this moment the 22 pko is just changing to 6 max with 45 players left whilst the 33 on stars is down to final 8, i know late reg helps grow your gtd so its tough spot to decide but most people would prefer smaller gtd shorter mtt i think.
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10-02-2018 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by jayme87
for example stars has a 33 5k pko starting at 10am uk time same time as the 5k 22 pko on party mixmax.

both got 245 runners but at this moment the 22 pko is just changing to 6 max with 45 players left whilst the 33 on stars is down to final 8, i know late reg helps grow your gtd so its tough spot to decide but most people would prefer smaller gtd shorter mtt i think.
everybody yelling..........they don t listen
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10-02-2018 , 03:55 PM
Good Work Party
Everyone has been crying out for more mixmix and 6max and you delivered !
I'm thinking you could go one step better by making every mtt a deepstack hu tourney ? perhaps you could consider this for the next update
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10-02-2018 , 04:21 PM
Yes what percentage of players bankroll wise have the ability to flick in $55 satties let alone $109 ones. Pretty much catering for the top 10% while the other 90% flounder.
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10-02-2018 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Colin_Piddle
Yes what percentage of players bankroll wise have the ability to flick in $55 satties let alone $109 ones. Pretty much catering for the top 10% while the other 90% flounder.
Catering the bitB stable.
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10-03-2018 , 12:29 AM
As a cash regular who enjoys punting off a few tournament stacks here and there, was also a bit surprised there was no lower sat's besides 55 and 109 to the millions. Not going to punt off a grand just to try and satty in. I'd rather just try to sell action at that point.

Too much mix max. This should be obvious to party? Seems...odd. Not a tourney reg tho so what do I know.

Cheers to Party reps for making effort.
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10-03-2018 , 04:24 AM
Colette please consider starting fresh with a new and simpler tournament schedule, currently it is just no where near what we want. It is too boring, to repetitive, at times too much of 1 particular format, not diverse enough, starting stacks and blind levels are unnecessary, too restrictive for players on when and what to play.

-Remove the amount of mix max in the schedule.
-Remove the amount of turbo's and hypers at :30, yes have turbos and hypers but ironically, this is too much.
-Put starting stacks/structures back to normal such as 5k/10k with 25/50 blinds etc
-Introduce :15, :30, :45 start times and have 1 tournament on each time slot.
-Remove the static buy ins and repetitive tournaments etc.
-Less 6-max
-We don't need every tournament to be a big gtd with thousands of players, nothing wrong with a standard $22 3k gtd freeezout from time to time.

-Have different tournaments at each timeslot rather than 4 tournaments all starting on the hour with the same format. The main event for example, sure have a main event, but not 4 times all at the same time, have 1 main event with decent gtd and provide satellites etc, this way it feels more of a "main event". Use this approach for all tournaments and have varied buy in's at each timeslot, and yes have "deep stacks" and bounty mtts, but not 4 of them at the same time, spread them out and this would give a much better varied schedule.

I feel if people keep on providing feedback, and none of the suggestions like this are used, then the thread is a waste of time. We want the site to get better but the current approach i believe is holding the site back.
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10-03-2018 , 06:16 AM
1) Please fix the starting stacks as this has been mentioned many times already, no one wants to play the first level with 100K chips and a big blind of 1K as this is effectively the same as starting with 10K chips and a big blind of 100 except that stacks are artificially large and everything has an extra digit.

2) No more than 2 hours of late reg for any game on the regular schedule, if you late reg on the last level of a regular speed game your starting stack should be worth somewhere between 35 and 50 blinds. The stack distributions at tables get screwed up when people last level late reg with sub 25bb and this heavily dictates the profitable strategic options the other players at the tables have while those stacks are present.

3) Because of the lengthy late regs the games have been front-loaded with blind levels in the first 3 hours of play where very few players are eliminated that would be better utilized in the mid/late and late/final table stages of each game to give more room for actually playing poker. With 100k starting stacks, there isn't much of a difference between 500/1000(80) = ~100bb on level1 and 950/1900 (260) ~50bb on level 16 which is nearly 2 hours into the game. You are somewhat incentivizing players towards skipping the early stages and late regging if there is only going to be a marginal decrease in EV for skipping the first 2 hours of a game.

4) Variable speed levels are a good thing, 8/10/12 minute levels were by far my favorite structure that I have played.

5) Every MTT should have the buyin in the first part of the name in the lobby so that it gets listed in the first part of the window title bar instead of at the very end. I just checked and even with a 1200 pixel window width the buyin of some games still isn't viewable. I have no problem quickly knowing the buyin of the game I am playing when I am playing the Big 215 or Sunday 500 on Stars, I shouldn't have this issue on Party.

6) If you're going to have Mix-Match games which most people don't even seem to like (I have no problem wit them but prefer straight 8max or 6max), it would be much better to switch from 8max to 6max when it gets ITM, not after some arbitrary time frame in the mid stages.

7) 8 max games should have 9 handed FTs and 6 max games should have 7 handed FTs, especially for games which aren't no limit.
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10-03-2018 , 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by SeaKing
1) Please fix the starting stacks as this has been mentioned many times already, no one wants to play the first level with 100K chips and a big blind of 1K as this is effectively the same as starting with 10K chips and a big blind of 100 except that stacks are artificially large and everything has an extra digit.

2) No more than 2 hours of late reg for any game on the regular schedule, if you late reg on the last level of a regular speed game your starting stack should be worth somewhere between 35 and 50 blinds. The stack distributions at tables get screwed up when people last level late reg with sub 25bb and this heavily dictates the profitable strategic options the other players at the tables have while those stacks are present.

3) Because of the lengthy late regs the games have been front-loaded with blind levels in the first 3 hours of play where very few players are eliminated that would be better utilized in the mid/late and late/final table stages of each game to give more room for actually playing poker. With 100k starting stacks, there isn't much of a difference between 500/1000(80) = ~100bb on level1 and 950/1900 (260) ~50bb on level 16 which is nearly 2 hours into the game. You are somewhat incentivizing players towards skipping the early stages and late regging if there is only going to be a marginal decrease in EV for skipping the first 2 hours of a game.

4) Variable speed levels are a good thing, 8/10/12 minute levels were by far my favorite structure that I have played.

5) Every MTT should have the buyin in the first part of the name in the lobby so that it gets listed in the first part of the window title bar instead of at the very end. I just checked and even with a 1200 pixel window width the buyin of some games still isn't viewable. I have no problem quickly knowing the buyin of the game I am playing when I am playing the Big 215 or Sunday 500 on Stars, I shouldn't have this issue on Party.

6) If you're going to have Mix-Match games which most people don't even seem to like (I have no problem wit them but prefer straight 8max or 6max), it would be much better to switch from 8max to 6max when it gets ITM, not after some arbitrary time frame in the mid stages.

7) 8 max games should have 9 handed FTs and 6 max games should have 7 handed FTs, especially for games which aren't no limit.
you have listed here 90% of what is ****ed up for 6 months now.....
the lottery after ITM instead of having more time to plat approching FT is clearly annoying, coupled with no 9handed or 7 handed FT (**** software probably not allowing it. I quote because all is wise and relevant... but no hope they will even agree to one of your points
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10-03-2018 , 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jambo227
The main event for example, sure have a main event, but not 4 times all at the same time, have 1 main event with decent gtd and provide satellites etc, this way it feels more of a "main event".
Exactly.... Fire all the people in your sat team and start fresh....
A true main event is key
Example
2 buy in only
55$ : 5$sat to access
215$ : 11$/22# sat to access

one sat direct access... AND NOT 3 STEPS DONKAMENTS with no option to buy in a 22$ event at the step2.
I would battle hard to play them... even through sats
and maybe these ones AND ONLY these only can be a bit deeper as they would be special in the schedule....
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10-03-2018 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by SeaKing
1) Please fix the starting stacks as this has been mentioned many times already, no one wants to play the first level with 100K chips and a big blind of 1K as this is effectively the same as starting with 10K chips and a big blind of 100 except that stacks are artificially large and everything has an extra digit.

2) No more than 2 hours of late reg for any game on the regular schedule, if you late reg on the last level of a regular speed game your starting stack should be worth somewhere between 35 and 50 blinds. The stack distributions at tables get screwed up when people last level late reg with sub 25bb and this heavily dictates the profitable strategic options the other players at the tables have while those stacks are present.

3) Because of the lengthy late regs the games have been front-loaded with blind levels in the first 3 hours of play where very few players are eliminated that would be better utilized in the mid/late and late/final table stages of each game to give more room for actually playing poker. With 100k starting stacks, there isn't much of a difference between 500/1000(80) = ~100bb on level1 and 950/1900 (260) ~50bb on level 16 which is nearly 2 hours into the game. You are somewhat incentivizing players towards skipping the early stages and late regging if there is only going to be a marginal decrease in EV for skipping the first 2 hours of a game.

4) Variable speed levels are a good thing, 8/10/12 minute levels were by far my favorite structure that I have played.

5) Every MTT should have the buyin in the first part of the name in the lobby so that it gets listed in the first part of the window title bar instead of at the very end. I just checked and even with a 1200 pixel window width the buyin of some games still isn't viewable. I have no problem quickly knowing the buyin of the game I am playing when I am playing the Big 215 or Sunday 500 on Stars, I shouldn't have this issue on Party.

6) If you're going to have Mix-Match games which most people don't even seem to like (I have no problem wit them but prefer straight 8max or 6max), it would be much better to switch from 8max to 6max when it gets ITM, not after some arbitrary time frame in the mid stages.

7) 8 max games should have 9 handed FTs and 6 max games should have 7 handed FTs, especially for games which aren't no limit.
1)Disagree, it seems that a lot of recs prefer 100k starting stacks. I even like 100k stacks not way more than 10k stacks. Only bc people here are yelling that this has to be changed it does not represent everyone who is playing at partypoker.

2) Why no more than 2h? Why should it be 35-50bbs? Why should nobody be alowed to reg with what BBs they want? In some Games i want to reg with 20bbs in others i prefer to reg with 100bbs, freedom of chioce imo. What dictates your profitable strategic is not really relevant?

3) Agree, imo the 200k starting stack reducting was a compromise to add some early levels because they want to keep the bigger grt alive. Traffic is increasing bigtimes.
So if you dont want to play that long, just LR some games till Blindlevel reach what you prefer.
For the longrun it is not ideal but Party is aware of those things imo.

4) Take a look at the structures, 8/10/12 min is def better with the old structures where BB increases getting very big. f.e 40k 50k 60k 80k and so on. This effect is getting heavily reduced by the new structures .....

5) Agree, and this will be hopefully fixed at some point.

6) Im seems their Data shows something different otherwise they would offer Games which are more prefered? As PP Rep said, data showed people regging those games way more but they might overdone it a bit. Finding a nice balance takes some times. At least probs for this great idea which no other sites offers at the regular schedule?

7) Agree, hopefully is getting fixed.
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10-03-2018 , 01:10 PM
Do party segregate player funds from operational expenses?
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