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09-21-2017 , 09:27 AM
It's so pretty

+1 to revamping daily sched. All the trashy bowls have to go
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09-21-2017 , 10:07 AM
Looks great.

Please add some of these to daily schedule, party.
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09-21-2017 , 01:39 PM
When can we see these events in the client?
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09-21-2017 , 05:38 PM
fwiw, the daily $5.50 games haven't been hitting pretty modest guarantees, hopefully this series will reignite the lower stakes players on the site.
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09-21-2017 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
fwiw, the daily $5.50 games haven't been hitting pretty modest guarantees, hopefully this series will reignite the lower stakes players on the site.
perhaps a more exciting daily schedule would reignite the lower stakes players, maybe players are just tired of the same $5.50 tournament.
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09-22-2017 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by OurSurveySays
fwiw, the daily $5.50 games haven't been hitting pretty modest guarantees, hopefully this series will reignite the lower stakes players on the site.
The 1$ KO at 19:00 CET always reaches double its guarentee. But you have to understand that for alot of micro grinders the step up from 1$ to 5$ is too big party offers no NLHE mtt's in between for some reason. Maybe you should look into why the 5$ is not doing well. As a micro stake mtt player i can tell you why the 5$ are not doing as well as they should it's the same structure over and over and when people wanna step down they have to go from 5$ to 1$ mtt's there is nothing in between to go to when you are on a little downswing or not feeling as confident in your game.

I believe your main issue is that all you care about is high stakes tournaments when the majority of the players are micro/low stake players who will occasionally take shots.

Just take a look at the player fields of 2$ and 3$ mtt's on stars, i simply just don't understand why party ignores these buyin levels and doesn't make the daily schedule more attractive.
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09-22-2017 , 09:29 AM
hi Bryan, great schedule. Is the schedule available as a google or outlook calendar somewhere? Or excel at least?
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09-22-2017 , 01:16 PM
i understand some of the complaining about low diversity i honestly like the daily schedule on party, not huge fields with good structure

i just dont like the "phase" format that looks more like a satellite imo
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09-23-2017 , 07:34 AM
The final draft looks great.

Im hoping the phase event doesnt have the direct buy into phase 2 with multi entries.That really hurts all the players who have won entry into phase 2.
Also hope too that starting stacks for each event are varied and not as big as these powerfest ones.
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09-24-2017 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by the_bridler
The final draft looks great.

Im hoping the phase event doesnt have the direct buy into phase 2 with multi entries.That really hurts all the players who have won entry into phase 2.
Also hope too that starting stacks for each event are varied and not as big as these powerfest ones.
+1
agree about phases MTTs so far the phase MTTs on party are joke

how can phase MTT will be actualy phase MTT when you are allowing players to directly buy in into final phase with 100bb + option to reenter, lol
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09-25-2017 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Afteryastack
Hi Bryan - are any of these events 2 day events?
Yes. I have the list of them in my Excel, but I'm going to re-evaluate them at least once more before they're finalized. At present, there are 30 2-Day Events planned and one 3-Day Event, per stakes level.

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Originally Posted by jambo227
What are some of the structures? kinda hoping everything isn't 30k starting stacks
The structures are being custom-written for this series. I've been working on the structures, starting stacks, late registration times, etc for over a week. While the full details would be a bit much to post here at the moment, I can tell you that within each stakes level, the starting stacks vary by buy-in.

I initially had higher starting stacks planned than are currently in place, but especially for the micro-stakes events, I have to account for the possibility of running out of available registration slots due to exceeding the maximum number of chips in play... so, I've modified them a bit and still retained a system which I think will work out very well. Here's an example of one option (three written at present) for non-rebuys in the micro stakes level:
$1.10 Standard: 5,000 starting chips
$2.20 Standard: 7,500
$3.30 Standard: 10,000
$4.40 Standard: 12,500
$5.50 Standard: 15,000
$11 Warm-Up: 20,000
$22 Main Event: 25,000
$any Ultra-Deep: 50,000

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Originally Posted by suk12
Look like a really good series that people asked for
That's the idea.

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Originally Posted by suk12
I would suggest to put at least Main Event into lobby before powerfest ends, so people can noticed this (specially those who are not regular players on party).
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Originally Posted by SlowlyMovin
When can we see these events in the client?
The events will be in the client soon. I've been finalizing various play details all weekend.

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Originally Posted by suk12
I also believe that even micro-to-mid-stakes series should have one own High-Roller event. Last Tuesday seems like a best day to have $55/$530 or even $109/$1050 since you are testing a new buyins during monster series.
This might be an interesting idea, though I'm not sure how a 'High-Roller' works in a micro/midstakes series... basically just seems to be opening it up to more stakes levels for one event. While that's not necessarily a bad idea, it's too late to consider for this series.

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Originally Posted by mashxx
hi Bryan, great schedule. Is the schedule available as a google or outlook calendar somewhere? Or excel at least?
Thank you for reminding me about the necessity of making a Google Calendar! I'll do that this week, as soon as possible. I'm not sure if we have the facility to share an Excel version; I'll look into it and get one posted somewhere if we can do so. (Perhaps just a shared Google document with no editing permissions for anyone but me would work.)

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Originally Posted by the_bridler
The final draft looks great.
Im hoping the phase event doesnt have the direct buy into phase 2 with multi entries.That really hurts all the players who have won entry into phase 2.
Also hope too that starting stacks for each event are varied and not as big as these powerfest ones.
Thank you! As for the Phase events, my intention is to run them with direct buy-in to Phase 1 only, however I have been discussing this with colleagues and I can't promise anything at the moment. I've never run a phased tournament which allows DBI to phases beyond Phase 1, so I don't have any experience from which to draw any kind of conclusions. The one thing which I can say for sure is that if we're not able to prevent Phase 2 registration, and if the starting stack for those who DBI into Phase 2 is something which can be tailored, then I'll definitely look to do that in order to prevent any sort of unfair advantage being conferred upon those who DBI into Phase 2.

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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
how can phase MTT will be actualy phase MTT when you are allowing players to directly buy in into final phase with 100bb + option to reenter, lol
I saw multiple events in Vegas over the summer which allowed direct buy-in to Day 2, even in tournaments which had multiple Day 1s. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, just pointing out that it's not as far off of the reservation as some seem to think.
Thank you as always for the feedback, everyone! It's great to be working with/for you on another great series!
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09-25-2017 , 05:45 AM
Would like to see at least one of the ultra deep moved 4-5 hours later in the day. Impossible to play if not from Europe.
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09-25-2017 , 09:30 AM
looking forward to seeing them in the client nice work bryan
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09-25-2017 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan - Party
I saw multiple events in Vegas over the summer which allowed direct buy-in to Day 2, even in tournaments which had multiple Day 1s.
There are a lot of live mtts that have multiple starting days ( 1a/1b/1c etc) and are ALLOWING LATE REGISTRATION into first 1-2 lvl of day2, plus option to reenter, and that is perfectly ok and fine imo
The catch here is that when you late reg into day 2 you are getting the same starting stack as players who register on lvl 1 on day 1 and that starting stack is not more the 20-50bb depending on how fast structure is

The problem imo with phase mtts @party the way they are is that you can buy in (with options to renter) directly into phase 2 with 100bb stack (that is 10x phase 1 starting stacks) which is kinda absurd imo when i imagine (i am not sure about this %) max 10-15% of players that play phase 1 and qualified for final phase have 100bb+ stacks
It is just waste of time for some one that can afford to directly buy in into final phase

And also roling back lvl in final phase is stupid for obv reasons
-phase 1 5bb stack in last lvls is like 20bb final phase stack => so from strategic point of view if u have 10- 30bb stack in last lvl from phase one you should play super tight and stall in oredr to make into final phase where your stack will automaticly 2x-4x in bb when you qualify into final phase and lvls are roled back, and on the other side if you are one having big stackIn those final lvls of phase 1 you can/should relentlessly abuse all those stacks,

so i dont see any fun or motivation for someone (except money) to play phase1 in those circumstances where corect strategy for 90% of field left in last lvl is to stall and play as liitle hands as possible and corect strategy for other 10% is to play super agro, when u can directly buy in with 100bb into final phase

My suggestion are
- make phase 1 to be played to the same lvl from what final phase start (dont roll back lvl)
- dont allow direct buy ins into final phase ( if u do that it will be nice if everyone that qualified for final phase will be ITM, 2x - 3x phase 1 buy in min cash)
- if you must allow direct buy ins into final phase make direct buy in starting stack to be max 30bb-50bb and only allow 1 hour late reg/rentry period in final phase

Last edited by Re8uZ; 09-25-2017 at 06:55 PM. Reason: For reasons above i never play phase 1 and directly buy in into final phase, or skip all
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09-26-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
The problem imo with phase mtts @party the way they are is that you can buy in (with options to renter) directly into phase 2
I'm happy to report that the plan is to run the Events in such a way that direct entry will be possible to Phase 1s only. We're testing to make sure that this will work with no issues.
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09-26-2017 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
It is just waste of time for some one that can afford to directly buy in into final phase
This statement is nonsense of course and it surprises me anyone with an understanding of poker would say this. First off, buying 10x starting stack for 10x the $ is a worse deal because of ICM. Second, the reason we play poker is because we think we have an edge and you now have more time to realise it while paying almost the same % of rake. It might still be worth it to buy into phase 2, but you're definitely reducing your edge. Getting into phase 2 with 150k chips for 22$ is great compared to people paying 215$ for 500k.

Having said that, I agree the phase system is flawed and we continuously see people qualify for day 2 not knowing you can buy into it as well and being upset.

Bryan: why are you specifically signifying 8max mtts? The standard on party is 8max, is this series going to be 9handed for most mtts?
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09-27-2017 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Soepgroente
This statement is nonsense of course and it surprises me anyone with an understanding of poker would say this. First off, buying 10x starting stack for 10x the $ is a worse deal because of ICM. Second, the reason we play poker is because we think we have an edge and you now have more time to realise it while paying almost the same % of rake. It might still be worth it to buy into phase 2, but you're definitely reducing your edge. Getting into phase 2 with 150k chips for 22$ is great compared to people paying 215$ for 500k.
i dont agree on this

although is true that if you get ITM from phase one( and be lucky to play only 2-3 phase 1 buy ins) yours ROI will be higher but your hourly will be way lower
second i dont agree that we are having bigger edge playing with same stacks in phase 1 and then loosing that edge when we have 100bb stack vs +/- same villains that how have 20-30bb stacks

as i said in other party poker MTT thread i really dont care if phase are the way they are(if i consider to play final phase I am always directly buying into it)
i just want to give constructive feedback and imo phase MTTs @party are not actually phase MTTs but just bad gimmicks (mix of worse attributes of phase MTTs and satellites)
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09-27-2017 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
i dont agree on this
There's nothing to agree on, math just dictates that buying 1/10th of the chips for 1/10th the price is advantageous for the guy who buys in small. If you're a winning player your potential ROI is much much bigger as well. Of course it may not make sense for you to play a buyin as low as 22$ when 215$ is right up your alley but that's another story. Your other point is backwards too, when there's no ICM pressure shorter stacks have the advantage over larger ones. Again, I agree with your feedback, but the reasons buying in to phase 2 shouldn't be allowed are that it's uncomfortable for recreational players (and apparently even some professionals), the fact that payouts get messed up (too flat for a 215$, too steep for a 22$) and just to avoid confusion altogether.
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09-29-2017 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan - Party
I'm happy to report that the plan is to run the Events in such a way that direct entry will be possible to Phase 1s only. We're testing to make sure that this will work with no issues.
Thanks for that, good move

When will the Phase 2s take place?
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09-29-2017 , 09:10 PM
@ bryan hey when we are at phase mtts, there was discussion about 11$ phase on stars in stars mtt thread while ago and i suggest this idea, i think will be very popular to be implemented in future mtt schedule

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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
INTEREST IS FALLING OVER TIME FOR 2 MAIN REASON IMO

1. FIRST PLACE PRICE I JUST LOL, PHASE 2 IS ON SUNDAY WHERE THEY ARE A TON MTTS WHERE YOU CAN WIN A LOT MORE MONEY IF YOU FINAL TABLE IT WITH SIMILAR BUY IN RANGE, SO PLAYING PHASE 1 TO BE ABLE TO PLAY PHASE 2 ON SUNDAY IS JUST NOT ATTRACTIVE
if first place is 50k/100k guarantied and final table payouts accordingly imo will be huge

2. BUY IN FOR CURRENT PHASE 1 AS FIRST PLACE/FINAL TABLE PAYOUTS ARE TOO LOW NOT ATRACTIVE SO THATS WHY PEOPLE JUST GAMBLE IT ON SUNDAY(PLAY PHASE ONE ON SUNDAY) AND TRY TO GET INTO PHASE 2 WITH 1-2 BULLETS ON SUNDAY, IF THEY DONT GET IN INTO PHASE 2 IS NOT A BIG DEAL IMO
but if if first place is 50k/100k guarantied and final table payouts accordingly + buying for phase1 are bigger (significant, with feeders with low buyin to phase1) every one will play it and take it seriosly

you can just make one (instead of 11$ phase one) 82$ phase 1 SUNDAY HALF MILLION/ 500k guaranteed prize pool/ 75k$ guaranteed for first place to see how it goes but i honestly believe that the previous concept i suggested 55$ phase 500k/50k+ for #1 (SUNDAY HALF MILLION)*** 3 times in a month & and last Sunday of every month 109$ phase 1 mil$$$ /100k+ for first guarantied(MONTHLY MILLION) with daily phase 1 with good satelites/feeders , imo should be very sucesfull and huge

***it very important in this concept to keep the dream alive of binking big score with relative small investement to have this thing going imo
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+ good satelite/feeders for phase one
+ option to play other phase one for bigger stack (the biggest stack of multiple phase 2 entries will play/ option to surrender your stack and play another phase one... w/e)
+ min cash/payouts in 55$/500k weekly to start from 109$ phase one ticket + 55$ (with significant pay jumps min 1/2 phase one buy in like 109ticket+55/109ticket+75 etc => 50k+G &109 phase one ticket for first (basically every one ITM 55$/500k SUNDAY HALF MILlION will get 109 ticket + cash)
-also i think at pko MTTs FT payouts should be flater and #1 & #2 should take same amount and HU should be played only for bounties, the way pkos are now is very often that #1 will win more then 2x #2 will win (including bounties)
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09-30-2017 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Re8uZ
@ bryan hey when we are at phase mtts, there was discussion about 11$ phase on stars in stars mtt thread while ago and i suggest this idea, i think will be very popular to be implemented in future mtt schedule



-also i think at pko MTTs FT payouts should be flater and #1 & #2 should take same amount and HU should be played only for bounties, the way pkos are now is very often that #1 will win more then 2x #2 will win (including bounties)
Keep asking for flatter payouts you will end up with Stars.
Whats so wrong with having a dream score up top
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10-01-2017 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by macetheace
Keep asking for flatter payouts you will end up with Stars.
Whats so wrong with having a dream score up top
its only about pko, the way pko run when you play HU(3 handed future game ) the bounties are bigger then actual pay jumps and not rarely the winner of pko mtt will win 2x times and more $$ then #2 will reward

my suggestion is that just #1 = #2 in pkos and HU should be played for bouties
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10-01-2017 , 02:28 AM
Can we ban Re8uz from this forum? I don't want any rep of a site to think that he represents a part of the community that has a brain.
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10-01-2017 , 08:05 AM
I think ReBuz has a fair point considering PKOs.

PKO are ultra top heavy when it comes to 1st place prizes since winner gets his own bounty as well. There were some prize structures in place earlier in Party where winner got 2x 2nd place and his own and 2nd place bounties as well on top of that. It was just absurd. They should have different prize structure (less money for 1st place, more money for other places at the FT) than regular tournaments.
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10-01-2017 , 11:19 AM
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Can we ban Re8uz from this forum? I don't want any rep of a site to think that he represents a part of the community that has a brain.
And your brain is saying what???
If someone has other ideas that are kind out of box and you cant put reasonable arguments con or pro tjose ideas, best line is to insult and sugest bans???
Just lol, you must have big brain
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