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03-11-2011 , 07:51 PM
This is the kind of hand that I have a lot of problems with, middle to high pairs (say 88 - QQ on AK high board out of position).

So, I am playing $1 Sit N Go and get pocket nines in the small blind. This is the 11th hand played, I am against supposedly loose aggressive player (can't really tell after 11 hands, he has put money in the pot 5 times so far this hand included). My read on him based on his bet was, that he probably has A9+, KT+, QJ or any pair. I was thinking of reraising preflop but decided that he is probably going to call me with everything in that range and if flop comes with two overcards or more, I would have been in bad shape. I also thought of just moving all-in but I figured it's to early in the tournament for this.

As for the flop play I basically just checked where I was, his call made me realize my pocket nines weren't good anymore. I thought this was better play than check/folding, because he could have made c-bet with lower pairs than mine and my bet of half of the pot would took the pot right there most of the time if that was the case.

So long story short, I want your input on what have I done wrong in this hand and if my thought process was good.

    Full Tilt, $1 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    CO: 1,525 (38.1 bb)
    BTN: 1,955 (48.9 bb)
    Hero (SB): 1,565 (39.1 bb)
    BB: 1,350 (33.8 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,270 (31.8 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,590 (39.8 bb)
    MP1: 1,335 (33.4 bb)
    MP2: 1,320 (33 bb)
    MP3: 1,590 (39.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 9
    2 folds, MP1 calls 40, 3 folds, BTN raises to 160, Hero calls 140, 2 folds

    Flop: (400) J 6 K (2 players)
    Hero bets 200, BTN calls 200

    Turn: (800) A (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets 400, Hero folds

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    03-11-2011 , 08:04 PM
    I over complicate things so the advice will probably be horrible. I don't mind the call instead of a re-raise because it's just going to build the pot if you don't flop the set. The counter argument could be made however that a re-raise would do two things. One it could set you up for one more repop or even a shove on his part, which isn't as bad as it seems because you'll pretty much know where you stand.

    The other end of it is two fold because he might just fold thinking he's facing a high pocket pair or even if he calls your in a better position to bluff him if you miss, or disguise your set if you hit it.
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    03-11-2011 , 08:11 PM
    Just fold pre if this hand gives you trouble. Your OOP against a limper and a raise. As played, just c/fold the flop.
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    03-11-2011 , 08:12 PM
    I hope there's nothing wrong with puting another hand in this thread. It's from the same tournament and it's pocket nines again so it's not too much off-topic, haha.

    This one is played poorly all the way, I know that, but I was against the same opponent as before and I saw him calling preflop raises with Q7s (the original bettor was UTG and there was one caller already) and he seemed to play almost every other hand. I wasn't too worried about cut-off. My read on villain was, that he probably has any pair or AJ+. I figured I beat most of his range or am at least in coin flip situation. Was preflop bet too high? Should I folded after his re-raise? Thanks for the input!

      Full Tilt, $1 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 7 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: 1,390 (23.2 bb)
      BB: 3,805 (63.4 bb)
      Hero (MP1): 965 (16.1 bb)
      MP2: 1,185 (19.8 bb)
      MP3: 1,515 (25.3 bb)
      CO: 2,990 (49.8 bb)
      BTN: 1,650 (27.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9 9
      Hero raises to 180, 2 folds, CO calls 180, 2 folds, BB raises to 480, Hero raises to 965 and is all-in, CO folds, BB calls 485

      Flop: (2,140) T K 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      Turn: (2,140) Q (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: (2,140) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: 2,140 pot
      Final Board: T K 2 Q 4
      BB showed A A and won 2,140 (1,175 net)
      Hero showed 9 9 and lost (-965 net)
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      03-11-2011 , 08:26 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Doublez-Down
      Just fold pre if this hand gives you trouble. Your OOP against a limper and a raise. As played, just c/fold the flop.
      Yeah, I thought about folding preflop, but I am not disciplined enough yet. Thanks.
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      03-11-2011 , 08:34 PM
      Look the whole purpose of a middle pair is to set mine. A raise if your first into the pot is good, call to a raise is ok as long as you pay attention to if anyone else limps. A raise with a re-raise should become a second nature fold, unless you have good reads on both. Even then your only trying to set mine the flop or fold on the first bet.

      A re-raise after a re-raise only builds the pot needlessly. You don't hit the set and your now out even more chips.
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      03-12-2011 , 03:09 PM
      2nd hand fold after the BB repops it. Although with TT at this level I'd just ship it in.
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      03-13-2011 , 01:38 AM
      1.We don't want to see your results, so ommit them. Not even a spoiler.

      2. Easy fold preflop. You're playing a $1 sng and it's 20/40. There is almost always going to be 1 or 2 overcards, and you are almost always gonna face a c bet. 10s are prolly a call. Jacks definitely either a call or raise.
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      03-13-2011 , 04:06 AM
      i kinda like seeing the results yeah yeah i get it, results oriented blah blah. still fun to see if i was right with my reads. but they should prob be posted after the thread has accumulated some replies.

      1) yeah i dont rly like calling out of position that deep against a limper and raise. i miiiiiight ship, but prob early on i'm likely to just click fold. as played you could try an insane check/raise flop or more logical would be to check/fold.

      2) i'm prob folding to this re-raise, especially at that sizing with ur stack. if you're going to open i'd def do 2.5x rather than 3. I'm sure i jam a decent amount of the time too with 99 from that position as well. depends how often i've been doing it.
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      03-13-2011 , 04:33 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by charllliee
      i kinda like seeing the results yeah yeah i get it, results oriented blah blah. still fun to see if i was right with my reads. but they should prob be posted after the thread has accumulated some replies.

      1) yeah i dont rly like calling out of position that deep against a limper and raise. i miiiiiight ship, but prob early on i'm likely to just click fold. as played you could try an insane check/raise flop or more logical would be to check/fold.

      2) i'm prob folding to this re-raise, especially at that sizing with ur stack. if you're going to open i'd def do 2.5x rather than 3. I'm sure i jam a decent amount of the time too with 99 from that position as well. depends how often i've been doing it.

      The results don't tell you if your reads are correct. If a guy is playing 85/40 after 40 hands, he shoves, and you call with 10's from the BB. He wakes up with aces. Does that mean your read was wrong? No reason to post results, unless you want to discuss an unusual play by the villain (discuss what his hand range is, etc...)

      1. I actually didn't notice the first time that hero has less than 1K left. This makes it a tougher decision, but I'm still folding (unless you have numbers that indicate villain is super loose, in which case I guess shipping isn't horrid)

      2.What difference is 30 chips in his raise gonna do? The problem I have with jamming straight up is that you have 15BB, and unless you have morons at your table, you're not gonna get anything better than a coinflip situation. all you jam does is give you more fold equity for...90 chips?
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