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I gave him actual advice
He gave me snark
I apologized and told him good luck

Let me put it like this, if the pain of losing 180k hasn't stopped this guy from playing, the perceived pain of my "slights" won't either.

Good for him, he shoulda said from the get go this was a pity party and people shouldn't try to help him.

If he's so clever, he shouldn't get so bent because people try to help him.

I gave you an apology for you catching feels, I said all the best, you're the one who couldn't leave it alone.

First off sorry to hear about such a large loss, a few questions I suppose though.

When you are playing what kind of mindset are you in, do you play anxious, do you play drunk, you mentioned the 77 hand so I guess there must be something going on when your playing (perhaps some kind of distractions) to lead to this loss.

Do you feel your job gets in the way of truly focusing on poker (or perhaps a family situation) eg, if you rush home to fire up the hot 215 etc it might not be the best approach. Perhaps setting just one weekend day aside once or twice a week where you can fully concentrate, lower your avg buy in, and just focus on improving and not the results, chasing losses by playing high stakes is def not the best option in 2018 imo.

Or perhaps, just play as a hobby, reset all your ss graphs, lower your avg buy in and play for fun (although seriously as you can) and hope for some binks.

I admire your balls OP and I'm sure you can turn it around.

All the best!

I think 70Ad was ool. OP didn't come here looking for sympathy or pity or to improve his game. He speaks in absolutes and I like the bluntness.

Hey thanks for sharing your insights OP

Do you get joy from playing games that you know you will longterm likely lose money in? If yes which I assume which parts of the games do bring you joy?

Also way to ruin a perfectly fine thread 7oad jeez. Nobody cares about you zbecoming a winning player at some abi. Clearly the guy isn’t after beating low to midstakes mtts. Some people like the thrill some do it for other reasons we possibly get to read about itt, out of which your pocket money comes from. How about being humble and taking that money instead of being an obnoxious prick hey?

If I'm broke then anxious, yes. Usually drunk regardless... degen tendencies tend to go hand in hand. Mine are gambling, smoking (cigarettes) and drinking.

I actually had 77 in a tourney as I was typing that reply, and thought to myself "probably gonna take this one to the hoop", so I used that as an illustrative example. Made sense in my mind at the time!

That's not how being a gambling degen works. I don't play to make slow, steady money - I have a job for that. I play for the rush of the big score.

Very generally, with a gambling habit, the bet has to make a difference if you win, and make a difference if you lose, otherwise you don't feel the "hit".

Kinda did that about a year ago, didn't work! In fact, I "un-reset" my SS for this thread.

Prob "could", if I wanted to. 70AD has a point in that I'm lazy and do 0 to work on my game.

No worries. Started this thread when I was drunk & had only a couple of tables going, but I'll stick with it now!

I don't think "joy" is the right word, in the sense and to the extent that you wouldn't describe a heroin junkie getting his hit as "joy". I've been a gambling degen since I can remember, when I was younger I would play games that were guaranteed to be -EV (scratchcards, fruit (slot) machines, then graduated to pit games in Casino etc.). After a while I gravitated to poker, probably because I've always enjoyed maths puzzles and other cerebral pursuits like chess. I know I'm -EV overall, but there is always that chance of the big score.

I think if I put my mind to it I can actually beat 2/5 live, and the last few times I've played at the Hippo or the Vic 1/2 or 2/5 I've certainly held my own, but the problem is that I a). get drunk and b). can't smoke at the table and end up getting "distracted" by the pit games every time I go for a cigarette, and c). get bored by the slow pace.

hey trust me still better be a rich degen then a broke one :P


joke aside i would ask you, with a steady income you already have, have you ever thinked of what difference would make a big score? would you be happier in every day life, would it even make difference or is it just a lie, to allow yourself to gamble/feel less bad about it?


i think its a good sign that you make this thread, it means you getting sick of it and bored this all happening. and thats the point when you really can make difference in ur life. this is a first step imo

Kind of similar question to above but, what dollar amount in your bank account do you think you would need to stop gambling?

Or do you think even if you had 100 million in your bank you would still gamble / maybe even more due to more available funds?

Can 2p2 get a reality tv/love island style function where each week someone gets voted off?

I vote 7oad

Yeah,these are kinda similar questions, I'll try to answer them together best I can.

I'm not rich - in fact, I'm broke and in debt, but there is a big difference between being broke and being poor. I do have a steady income, and I would venture that being "poor" is a state of mind, while being "broke" is a temporary state of affairs.

I'm not sure I would ever stop "gambling" in some sense, no matter how much money was in the bank, but I'd raise the stakes for sure. If I had 100k, I'd pay my debts, if I had 100m, I'd prob gamble on stocks or something. And play the one drop, obvs!

Not sure I've fully answered the question(s), so let me know if I've missed anything.

Lol. But I don't think he's a bad guy, he was genuinely trying to be helpful. If I had made the same OP, in, say, BQ, his responses would have been fully justified. Never attribute to malice actions that can be adequately explained by... let's say... "youth".

Anyway - no thread is complete without a villain!

LOL 70AD your average buyin is $5.50. Theres no evidence whatsoever that you can beat $33 games.

This, pretty funny how delusional he is and absurdly out of line.

Hey man, thanks for posting in my thread. I had a hand in 109bb yesterday vs someone with the SN "protentialnm", was that you?

You'll remember the hand, villain shoved 1.5x pot with ace-10 high on river, and I tank called with pocket aces.

How old were you when you started gambling?
Did your Dad or anyone in your youth that was attracted to gambling?

My dad taught me poker (5 card draw) when I was a kid, but he is not, and has never been, a huge gambler. When I was young he and his friends would play penny ante home games for lols, but that's about it.

Been a gambling degen since I can remember. When I was 5 or 6 my stepfather taught me some obscure card game that I no longer remember, and when I saw my dad next I taught him the rules and wanted to play for my piggy bank. He agreed to play, to "teach me a lesson" and obv beat me (he's a mathematician lol). I insisted on paying up and he took my piggy bank. The lesson I learnt was... pay up when you lose. Guess his idea for the "lesson" kinda backfired.

To give you an idea of the extent of the degeneracy, when I was 21 I got locked up for over a year for stealing a quarter mill from my employer (in the US at the time) to fund my gambling habit, which was 9-ball at that juncture. I posted about it 6-7 years ago in the "degen stories" thread in BBV under the SN "firefox123" if anyone cares to find it.

was me, dont remember it.

I find it interesting how some people don't understand how gambling and general degeneracy works. "how much money would you need to stop gambling" ... that's coming from a point of view of someone who plays poker as a job as in "how much money would you need to have to quit your job" ... that's like asking someone "How much fun would you have to have, to quit having fun"

I've always found it fascinating the types of personalities that get attracted to poker and how the ecosystem is based on personality traits that create whales.

A trait for a thrill for gambling, risks and big pay offs can manifest in studying hard in school (risking time for future pay off), business risks like businesses or even social and emotional risks like putting your neck out there to get big deals or negotiate good deals.

Those traits are good in business but bad in a casino, but the pay offs are quicker in a casino than real life risks

what kind of cars do you have?

8 out of 10 proffesional poker players would have an answer to this. even more if they are long enough in the game. at least in the online poker world.

pretty same with gamblig "degens", most of them would have an answer, only difference between their mind that they choose the painful way (gambling without knowledge or high variance, unbeatable games). but they have the same purpose. especially with the mindset to gamble to hit the score which makes the difference. which i think most of the gambling degens have in mind. or at least the poor ones.
i have friends who gamblers, saw them gamble, talk them about gamble, and saw the up and downs they going through during the process of a winning/losing sesssion. and they always stop when they hit the amount is worth to stop (the amount vary, it depends on they montly income, when they really feel its good chuck comapring they salary or whatever), however its doesnt make a difference in a long run cuz its never enough (onyl enough just for the day to deel good about it) but they never hit THE real difference w some miracle jackpots or whatever. then ofc find themselves at the casino next day chasing THE real difference again.
i know winning poker players they can act the same in special occasions. and i think im one of them and currently in the very same situation.

but reading this thread, im coming into a acknowledgment more and more that there is a few types of gambers. and more likely the ones are rich already will never be able to stop without help from outside world or some sort therapy.


this is a wrong example on many levels. most of the gamblers are suffering even when they out of the casino. they live in a misery most of the day. and even happy workers retire at some point, so i cant see an unhappy one wouldnt retire.

so it depends why you really gamble, for the money or for the "adrenalin". its just the same sate of mind during the process, but difference prupose

You might as well just play roulette and put it all on red. No reason for you to carry on playing poker. Except to make donations.

Oh well, it was memorable for me. Damn, thought we had something special...

I haven't driven a car since 2000. There is really no need for one in London, you can get anywhere by taxi or by tube (subway), and parking is difficult to find in a lot of places. Additionally, I wouldn't want to be hamstrung by not being able to drink when I go out because I'm driving.