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07-21-2019 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by zhukaSS
Please do. Also let me tell you this is one of the greatest threads here imho.

Q: Do you worry that your employer or clients(since you said you work as contractor, if its correct to say like this) will find out about your addictions and it will have negative effect on your income?
This is actually a really good question. The answer is no, but it should be yes. I have a very understanding manager.
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07-21-2019 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Derp!
This.
Ok, there seems to be some interest in how I make money. I'll reply best I can.

When I was a kid (16 or so), I worked at MacDonalds. Minimum wage. Then I got an IT job, and learnt on the job. First job was carrying monitors up and down stairs. 20 years ago now.
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07-21-2019 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by AALegend
Couple tips (you asked for them this time, if I misunderstood - my bad):

1) My friends have been saying good things about the UpswingPoker MTT course. If you naturally lack discipline, you can have fairly strict preflop open ranges that sort of keep you "under control".
2) In the end of the tourns, utilize Jennifear push/fold charts. You can become a bit tighter than recommended push/fold charts when you are in the money or on the bubble with below avg stack due to ICM considerations.
3) I find that I do not tilt as much/get as wasted when I play when I have something else besides poker in the background. For example, I find that when I watch football (American) or boxing/MMA (which I bet on of course) when I play, it relieves the natural boredom that comes with MTT's and I actually do better.

Also another game you might like is BLAST Sit'n'goes on 888. You always have that lottery-type shot at a high score.
This is an amazing post. Thank you for posting.
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07-22-2019 , 12:49 AM
It is a good post. The truth about MTTs is if you can get super deep with 20bb and play a solid, patient game a rungood-huge bink is just a matter of time (considering you play a lot of large buy in games)

Definitely rooting for u to get one and the gambler to break even glgl
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07-26-2019 , 03:40 PM
there's no feeling like starting a $215 high guarantee mtt, gl op!

sad thing is though, when you reach the final table, your competition generally will have a very clear edge on you, making that big score pretty unlikely
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07-27-2019 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pakichu777
there's no feeling like starting a $215 high guarantee mtt, gl op!

sad thing is though, when you reach the final table, your competition generally will have a very clear edge on you, making that big score pretty unlikely
I might not be JaKoon, but I've won a few. I can put in an ICM 4-bet bluff in pre with the best of them

Speaking of which, had a 2nd and a 1st in the last couple of days. gg buddy.
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08-03-2019 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
I make quite a lot of money at my job, but the gambling losses are a significant %, yes. The gambling losses are not exclusively poker, but latterly it has been that when trying to recoup other gambling losses playing poker tournaments.
If you make good money at your job then really there is no need to gamble if you cannot control it. If you need to get a fix, just play super low stakes and keep your hard earned money.
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08-03-2019 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jwaa10
If you make good money at your job then really there is no need to gamble if you cannot control it. If you need to get a fix, just play super low stakes and keep your hard earned money.
The problem is it is not fun (for most players) to play when the money is completely insignificant. Like a $5 sportsbet on the game I am watching is completely meaningless, so its not like I (or d2_e4 in all likelihood) can get any kind of sweat/rush out of it. Same with poker. So I'd say the solution is to play better and/or play less often - not play ultrasmall, where its not even enjoyable anymore.
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08-10-2019 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AALegend
The problem is it is not fun (for most players) to play when the money is completely insignificant. Like a $5 sportsbet on the game I am watching is completely meaningless, so its not like I (or d2_e4 in all likelihood) can get any kind of sweat/rush out of it. Same with poker. So I'd say the solution is to play better and/or play less often - not play ultrasmall, where its not even enjoyable anymore.
Spot on - couldn't have said it better myself.

Has to make a difference if you win, has to make a difference if you lose.
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08-10-2019 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jwaa10
If you make good money at your job then really there is no need to gamble if you cannot control it. If you need to get a fix, just play super low stakes and keep your hard earned money.
You should probaby read the thread. If you already have, you should probably read it again.
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08-12-2019 , 08:31 PM
Or even the first word of the topic title should be enough Degenerate - Lost 180k on Stars MTTS - AMA

lol at those with their sage-nit advice. You have a different brain. You are risk adverse. Others enjoy risk and crave it. This perceptual difference is so crucial it makes your advice nonsense
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08-14-2019 , 06:38 AM
I had an epiphany from this thread that i am a gambler myself. So thanks for the thread.

Was never interested in "bankroll management" (or got accustomed to the concept) since it bored me to death to play for "irrelevant" stakes. (And I love pool and like playing on it )

The thing I don't identify with myself is "it must hurt when you lose". For me the thrill of big fields guarantees is the thrill of blinking "significant" score for kind of irrelevant low buy in (risiking half days income to win potentially 50-100k).

I absolutely hate losing - how comes it's an important part of gambling (for a degen)?
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08-14-2019 , 04:32 PM
I should have been a bit clearer - I meant that in the context of even money/short odds type bets - a hand of blackjack, betting the outside on roulette and such. On those types of bets, if it matters when you win, it matters when you lose pretty much by definition.
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08-14-2019 , 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by d2_e4
What would that achieve? Put all what on black? I mean, if I had 180k in cash in my hand, sure, putting it on black is a better (less minus EV) bet than playing poker with it, but then it a). wouldn't last very long and b). wouldn't really be a "big" score - it'd just be doubling my money. I play tourneys for the thrill of the "big" score in relation to the stakes, not in absolute numerical terms.
but then you write that even doubling your whole net worth putting 180k on the line with one bet wouldn't be a big score. Is this the paradox of a gamblers mind? (that no score would ever be big enough for more than a few days?
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08-16-2019 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Tankado
but then you write that even doubling your whole net worth putting 180k on the line with one bet wouldn't be a big score. Is this the paradox of a gamblers mind? (that no score would ever be big enough for more than a few days?
You're right in that I've made some inconsistent statements in this thread, but they were in response to very specific posts. I do have a consistent attitude, so bear with me.

I'd say it like this - if I'm playing short odds games, I have to wager an amount that matters *at the time*. I.e. If I have 40 in my pocket, and I need 35 for my taxi home, 5 matters *at the time*. It's kinda hard to explain to someone who is not a fellow degen, but the degens will understand.

As for my response to the poster who said "you might as well put it all on red", well, I will say this. It's not like I had 180k in my pocket at once. The loss was over a number of years. And yeah, sure, I mean, I could put it all on black/red, like that guy who was televised and ended up winning (they even took the zero off the table for him, 122k or smth I think?). It's not really the point though.

The point is, saying to someone who has lost 200k or so on poker and running at -10% "you might as well have put it on red" is a vacuous statement. It doesn't mean anything. It's not even advice. It's just an observation that -10% is worse than -5.25% (double zero) or something. It's just not something I wanted to engage with.
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08-17-2019 , 07:41 PM
You sound like an interesting guy--one I'd like to grab a beer with.

Thanks for sharing your story.

Grunching, but has your addictive personality affected your interpersonal relationships in a meaningful way? I don't just mean 'I should've spent more time with this person, but instead I was gambling,' but actually ruined things.
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08-18-2019 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
You sound like an interesting guy--one I'd like to grab a beer with.
Thanks bud. Sure, are you in London? Drop me a PM.

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Thanks for sharing your story.

Grunching, but has your addictive personality affected your interpersonal relationships in a meaningful way? I don't just mean 'I should've spent more time with this person, but instead I was gambling,' but actually ruined things.
That's a bit of a hard question to answer. All of us, if we are of reflective habit, blame ourselves for the failures in our interpersonal relationships. Whether that was the "addictive" part, or just the straight "personality" part, I honestly couldn't say.

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08-18-2019 , 04:40 AM
Here is my month, chart starts July 17th or something like that.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zvY...Dg_Dq64zw/view
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09-15-2019 , 12:45 PM
your SN on stars?
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10-01-2019 , 05:48 AM
Great read and a brutally honest account.

Thanks for sharing your story bro and gl with your endeavours.
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10-01-2019 , 06:24 AM
I read your pool playing story. What city were you in around what year?
Also, have you ever attempted to quit drinking?
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10-11-2019 , 09:56 AM
You are very composed for a degen. In your example of having to gamble 5 when you have 40 and need 35, I would have expected a bet of 10 would make things interesting.

It feels like you are wearing the term degenerate like a badge of honour. I'm not sure what to make of this. This thread is both awesome and sad at the same time.

Sorry for not putting it into questions, but could you comment on the above?
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10-12-2019 , 04:37 AM
This might be a silly question but I guess what I don't understand is, if you enjoy drinking and gambling both, why do you have to do them at the same time? To achieve that super enjoyable state? Why don't you just go drink on a patio with friends, then sober up and start gambling, if being sober helps control the level of it?

Like if I like chocolate and I also like cheetos, I could eat one for breakfast and the other one for lunch and that'd be a nice day. That's not how it works?

Even in a gambling sense, I play the craps machine sometimes b/c the tables are loud and intimidating and I like betting 12 and 11. They are totally sucker bet but I like it when I hit, so I bet it. But I don't have to bet both at the same time. Or should I say, betting both doesn't make me happier than betting one. If that makes sense.
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10-12-2019 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdave2304
I read your pool playing story. What city were you in around what year?
Also, have you ever attempted to quit drinking?
Boston - 2000 to 2002
London - 2003 onwards

And. no
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10-12-2019 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by uberswinger
You are very composed for a degen. In your example of having to gamble 5 when you have 40 and need 35, I would have expected a bet of 10 would make things interesting.

It feels like you are wearing the term degenerate like a badge of honour. I'm not sure what to make of this. This thread is both awesome and sad at the same time.

Sorry for not putting it into questions, but could you comment on the above?
Not sure what to say. I can't disagree with anything you've said.

Maybe not so much a "badge of honour". I've just sort of come to terms with/accepted that this is my life. Lying about it or pretending that it's something else is never going to change that.
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