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Probably since the new payout structures started, that made it a lot easier and more worthwhile since the min-cash increased. Most likely started by a few ppl, but I noticed them recruiting new players to the collusion ring in the chat so it's getting bigger quick. All at max $22 and often just 2-3 tabling, so they aren't getting rich by it. Still ridiculous that a player had to notice and the Stars Game Integrity team that supposedly exists didn't notice it themselves and doesn't act now they now.
Luke, is there just 1 Game Integrity Specialist for 0,1 fte or how do you explain this?
This seems to me more like a valid strategy than anything else. What exactly is the problem with max late regging and playing super tight if it results in 70% ITM? When the money is close and you're down to 5 bigs, doubling up is nowhere near as valuable as just making the mincash, in that scenario you're supposed to play extremely tight. They are all maximizing their tournament ev so even from a game theoretical perspective they're doing the right thing. Your argument is more along the lines of "these people are playing correct and winning too much money, stop them".
I'd imagine most people reading this thread would play in the exact same way if they found themselves in that situation. This strategy being viable is purely the fault of Stars for allowing late reg so close to the money.
Its one way to play a small stack the correct way but its another matter if these players collude, softplay and chipdump to each other to make the bubble.
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Exactly. Folding on the BB against a 1.5bb shove is never a justifiable play and that's what happens at these tables on more than 1 occasion. Without colluding or edge it wouldn't be profitable as you still have to survive a few orbits between registering and mincash and can't do that without risking your chips more than once.
This seems to me more like a valid strategy than anything else. What exactly is the problem with max late regging and playing super tight if it results in 70% ITM? When the money is close and you're down to 5 bigs, doubling up is nowhere near as valuable as just making the mincash, in that scenario you're supposed to play extremely tight. They are all maximizing their tournament ev so even from a game theoretical perspective they're doing the right thing. Your argument is more along the lines of "these people are playing correct and winning too much money, stop them".
I'd imagine most people reading this thread would play in the exact same way if they found themselves in that situation. This strategy being viable is purely the fault of Stars for allowing late reg so close to the money.
The problem would be easily solved by the software not putting them in same table but is that possible if 30-40 players late reg 30 seconds from time?I guess they must play at same table for few orbits just like when u win a sattie ticket in a ongoing tournament.At first u will play in a table with other ticket winners.
This seems to me more like a valid strategy than anything else. What exactly is the problem with max late regging and playing super tight if it results in 70% ITM? When the money is close and you're down to 5 bigs, doubling up is nowhere near as valuable as just making the mincash, in that scenario you're supposed to play extremely tight. They are all maximizing their tournament ev so even from a game theoretical perspective they're doing the right thing. Your argument is more along the lines of "these people are playing correct and winning too much money, stop them".
I'd imagine most people reading this thread would play in the exact same way if they found themselves in that situation. This strategy being viable is purely the fault of Stars for allowing late reg so close to the money.
Sadly you actually have a point. Probably Pstars will use your post as a reason why they won't be banned.
Sadly you actually have a point. Probably Pstars will use your post as a reason why they won't be banned.
Lol who is buying that bull****? not good for the game anyway that a whole table agree to stall and futher more decides to reg to same tours at same time for getting better odds at getting at same table by regging in last sec before close..
Without doing a calculation, at first glance,they need 50%+ ITM to be profitable if only min cash.Right?
They usually climb some payout jumps also
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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely
This seems to me more like a valid strategy than anything else. What exactly is the problem with max late regging and playing super tight if it results in 70% ITM? When the money is close and you're down to 5 bigs, doubling up is nowhere near as valuable as just making the mincash, in that scenario you're supposed to play extremely tight. They are all maximizing their tournament ev so even from a game theoretical perspective they're doing the right thing. Your argument is more along the lines of "these people are playing correct and winning too much money, stop them".
I'd imagine most people reading this thread would play in the exact same way if they found themselves in that situation. This strategy being viable is purely the fault of Stars for allowing late reg so close to the money.
Sadly you actually have a point. Probably Pstars will use your post as a reason why they won't be banned.
It's not as if you're almost in the money when regging at the latest moment in these tournaments, you still need to lose ~50% of the players at that point. If you don't have the cooperation of the table it isn't a winning strategy, and you certainly won't achieve ITM %'s of 60%+ many of these players have.
I honestly don't see a problem here with people abusing the bad system, rather a good thing that will show stars a hole in their system which they will need to fix.
This seems to me more like a valid strategy than anything else. What exactly is the problem with max late regging and playing super tight if it results in 70% ITM? When the money is close and you're down to 5 bigs, doubling up is nowhere near as valuable as just making the mincash, in that scenario you're supposed to play extremely tight. They are all maximizing their tournament ev so even from a game theoretical perspective they're doing the right thing. Your argument is more along the lines of "these people are playing correct and winning too much money, stop them".
I'd imagine most people reading this thread would play in the exact same way if they found themselves in that situation. This strategy being viable is purely the fault of Stars for allowing late reg so close to the money.
It's collusion. yes, a good strategy, but its collusion!
I honestly don't see a problem here with people abusing the bad system, rather a good thing that will show stars a hole in their system which they will need to fix.
I wouldn't see a problem in ppl using a bad structure to their advantage, but these people are abusing other players by colluding as well. And that's bad regardless how you think about Stars' structures.
A friend of mine had the same problem a few days ago and told me about it (it was before I read this thread, so I wasnt aware of the problem). 4-5 players on the same table decided to max timebank to the money (max latereg). After they got to the table they only played a few hands/hour and they completely destroyed the other "serious" players chances. I have some names, just sharkscope them and you´ll see that they have more than 60% ITM as well:
- leadpiggy
- helymimi
- desh29
- MariDream
