lol, seriously?

Can't argue with the fact that people are getting cheated out of equity but it still seems like it's mostly ignorance and favoritism, to me.

Suf hands that are being retrieved from the muck and declared live after an opponent's hole cards have been seen surely must be considered cheating.

wow i cant really believe that any place could be more absurd than tampa hard rock on casino rulings

wow what a goddamn joke

I really shouldn't post if I can't take the time to thoroughly think about the situation and post my opinion clearly but I just mean that, when making such a serious accusation, we should be really careful how we word it. The more blatant accusations are more likely to be cheating then ignorance but the comments that a bunch of Americans had similar experiences kind of imply that there was some kind of premeditated plan to cheat the non-french and I think that's unlikely.

So, I guess, I'm saying that there was probably some cases of willful cheating along with a bunch of ignorance and favouritism. :P

since when did premeditation have anything to do with the severity of cheating?

this is just so wrong on so many levels. And i thought San Remo's organization was bad... thanks to MM and Binger to your efforts.

Another ****ty situation on Day 2 of this event, we were playing with the worst cards ever, which had solid color backs and unintentional marks on many random cards. I asked why we were using different cards than the rest of the week and was told by the floor that they couldn't inform me as to why. Floorman laughed after he said this.

Jesus this casino sounds like the biggest joke ever.

The pocketfives version of mementmori's rant is on page 1 of google now. Also, after talking with my dad about the region the casino is in he says it's not surprising. Imagine the stuff going on there as the equivilent of the stereotypical stuff that you think happens in the southern US when you think of the "good old boys club" and people getting local government favors.

it's accepted online, too. Welcome to your livelihood mement mori!

read op but didnt read rest of thread, as a former poker dealer forever i can say that floors often make terrible rulings, to avoid such things, DONT EVER show ur hand until the pot has been pushed to you, i mean It's REALLY simple

Ban Partouche

I talked with the tds in french regarding some of the **** that happened during the tourney and I just think theyve no clue what to do in most of the situations. They allowed people to speak any language during-after hands and I complained several times and they didn't do anything. I had a 3b pot vs a russian and another russian talked to him during the hand in russian, i was like wtf is this.

I also heard that the 1a is the day with ALL the qualifiers, so its like 40times softer then 1b.

It was a really shady tourney.

cmon buddy everyone knows what the french do best

not even a little bit surprising, thanks for the heads up tho

This is so nasty, great post Mement.

Not surprisingly the most absurd floor ruling I ever saw occurred in France. We'd gone on break and when we came back a couple older Euro guys accidentally switched seats at a table one over, and apparently their stacks were like 50k to 30k or something noticeable. Nobody notices, play goes on, and the guy who sat behind the larger stack goes on to bust the guy who sat behind the smaller one. The gentleman steps away but a hand later someone on the table realizes what's happened, everyone catches wind, and the guy who got busted comes back in yelling and demanding to get his seat back. I huge shouting match ensues and Bruno Fitussi screams at everyone to get out of the tournament area while they discuss it.

End result: The guy who sat behind the larger stack gets to keep it and play on, no penalty or disqualification.

I ran into the other guy around Barcelona, he says he believes the other guy did it intentionally because he's a scumbag. Who knows.

after reading this the Olympic ice skating judging scandal immediately came to mind

lmao bond

a+ story

lol donkaments

read that in the fulltilt blog lol. both are equally ridiculous

Someone help those of us who don't play overseas: Is it really reasonable to be upset that officials at a tournament in France, where the only native language is French, make their rulings and so forth in French?

The incident as described in the OP, and some others cited, are fairly damning, but from an outsider's perspective I find the whole argument weakened by those who are equating a failure to use English with the rest of the wrongs.



Separately: Is it possible (I doubt it, but just in case) that there really are different rules in France about some of these things, such as when a hand is considered mucked and irretrievable and under what conditions players may show others their hands without being forced to show the table?

^^ english is pretty widely known, im not sure how anyone can justify ruling only in french especially when non-french speaking people are involved.

Yep, they actually have some different rules, i saw at least one. Whenever you 3(4, 5 etc)betting postflop, you have to at least double your opponent bet. In a hand i saw, initial raiser made a c-bet 3,5k, than french guy raised him to 9k, than raised made it like 16k, but both dealer and all french guys at the table said that he had to make it 18k. Me and him argued we called a floor manager and he confirmed it.