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09-16-2020 , 04:11 PM
PokerStars Hand #218507398006: Tournament #3002741491, $9.80+$1.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (125/250) - 2020/09/16 21:43:19 CET [2020/09/16 15:43:19 ET]
Table '3002741491 32' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: owlucky (17882 in chips)
Seat 2: AfraocOG (9322 in chips)
Seat 3: L300NN 85 (18080 in chips)
Seat 4: ImolAyrton (11748 in chips)
Seat 5: silveradopop (10770 in chips)
Seat 6: Shamane7 (5612 in chips)
Seat 7: fishsif (7264 in chips)
Seat 8: Fob92 (13879 in chips)
Seat 9: conradofpg (4940 in chips)
owlucky: posts the ante 30
AfraocOG: posts the ante 30
L300NN 85: posts the ante 30
ImolAyrton: posts the ante 30
silveradopop: posts the ante 30
Shamane7: posts the ante 30
fishsif: posts the ante 30
Fob92: posts the ante 30
conradofpg: posts the ante 30
silveradopop: posts small blind 125
Shamane7: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ImolAyrton [8h 9c]
fishsif: folds
Fob92: folds
conradofpg: folds
owlucky: folds
AfraocOG: folds
L300NN 85: raises 250 to 500
ImolAyrton: raises 1000 to 1500
silveradopop: folds
Shamane7: calls 1250
L300NN 85: calls 1000
*** FLOP *** [7d Ah Jh]
Shamane7: checks
L300NN 85: checks
ImolAyrton: bets 1500
Shamane7: folds
L300NN 85: calls 1500
*** TURN *** [7d Ah Jh] [Ac]
L300NN 85: checks
ImolAyrton: checks
*** RIVER *** [7d Ah Jh Ac] [2s]
L300NN 85: checks
ImolAyrton: bets 7500
L300NN 85: calls 7500
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ImolAyrton: shows [8h 9c] (a pair of Aces)
L300NN 85: shows [Jd Kd] (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
L300NN 85 collected 22895 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 22895 | Rake 0
Board [7d Ah Jh Ac 2s]
Seat 1: owlucky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: AfraocOG folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: L300NN 85 showed [Jd Kd] and won (22895) with two pair, Aces and Jacks
Seat 4: ImolAyrton (button) showed [8h 9c] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 5: silveradopop (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Shamane7 (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: fishsif folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Fob92 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: conradofpg folded before Flop (didn't bet)


What do you think about my play??
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09-18-2020 , 01:17 AM
The guy called on the river because your story in the hand didn't add up. You bet the flop, check the turn and all of a sudden you are betting the river. The guy probably put you on a missed flush draw or a bluff because you didn't bet the turn. I would of just saved the hassle and folded preflop because you have a weak off suit hand even though you are on the button. In a $10 mtt players are going to be sticky and call you down there. If you would of sized the turn to set up a river jam he might of mucked the hand because there isn't many value hands he is beating with river jam. You started the hand with 45 bigs you could of avoided playing the hand. I play a tighter style preflop than some players a lot of the time which works for me but I can change gears when I need to based on the dynamic of the table my chip stack etc.. I haven't been studying much and just started playing again mtts again 5 months ago so I am rusty and still adjusting. These are just my thoughts so take it with a grain of salt.
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09-21-2020 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kevmode
The guy called on the river because your story in the hand didn't add up. You bet the flop, check the turn and all of a sudden you are betting the river. The guy probably put you on a missed flush draw or a bluff because you didn't bet the turn. I would of just saved the hassle and folded preflop because you have a weak off suit hand even though you are on the button. In a $10 mtt players are going to be sticky and call you down there. If you would of sized the turn to set up a river jam he might of mucked the hand because there isn't many value hands he is beating with river jam. You started the hand with 45 bigs you could of avoided playing the hand. I play a tighter style preflop than some players a lot of the time which works for me but I can change gears when I need to based on the dynamic of the table my chip stack etc.. I haven't been studying much and just started playing again mtts again 5 months ago so I am rusty and still adjusting. These are just my thoughts so take it with a grain of salt.
Kevmode was pretty spot on. I also take into account how active CO has been before I 3b (will adjust bet size and/or 3b range based VPIP/RFI from LP).

I also consider other dynamics such as stage of the tournament and table dynamics (loose/tight, passive/aggressive).

But since we do not have that information, in a vacuum I would probably put this in my fold range. However as played... We have understand how strong our hand needs to look to our opponent to get him to fold better hands (since we don't even have a bluff catcher). If you 3b pf, you will need to continue to tell a story on multiple streets if you have people calling your 3b. Let's try to construct this (your homework):

-Hands villain opens/calls 3B...
-Hands a normal person might 3B...
-Hands that BB defends...

Are you there?

- Examine flop texture... Who has advantage?

If it is you, but you DONT have it--then make them believe you do have it. This includes triple barrels, down sized flop bets followed by turn over sized bets, etc

If it isn't you, but you do have it-- take the same line as above.

If it is you and you have it... Play a little weaker nd give opponents a chance to catch up so you can extract more value on later streets (turns or rivers).

Not sure if my thought process came across as logically as it is in my head. But it really begins with understanding hands to 3B and why, then studying how to proceed after you pull the trigger.
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