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Old 06-14-2016, 08:10 PM   #1
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Exclamation Bot's network in MTT

I apologize in advance for any grammar mistakes [English is not my native language].

We [the group of Russian mtt-regs] did notice new mid/high stakes PS/FTP/Party regs from Russia and Netherlands which were and still are playing in their ‘signature’ style very similar [almost authentic] to D0nttiltonme and Co (link to thread in russian). [cliffs: group of Russian bots who were firstly accused by community and later banned by PS/FTP]

Combined profit of every suspicious account is over 1 million USD.



ALLIES

Later PS and FTP closed said accounts and that confirmed our suspicion.
You can see sudden stop of these winning ‘regs’ activity on PS/FTP on sharkscope:





After that they migrated to iPoker where they grind money up to this day also continue to play and reg new accounts on Party.


Proofs they are bots [or a group of human-operated accounts with same software which is making decisions for them] :


1. PS/FTP closed their accounts autumn 2015.

2. They have very similar % of finishes in early/middle/late stages and very identical HUD-stats. Accounts are from Russia and Netherlands.
Party:



Ipoker:






3.‘Signature’ playing style which is unorthodox/uncommon for regs:

- very high WWSF [>50%, several streets of bets with no equity in multiway pots, etc];

- no adjusments to stages of tournament: identical stats for pre and post ante stages, ignore of ICM [these are the reasons why we combined pre and post ante hands on HEM screenshots];

- ‘contradiction’ of preflop and postflop stats: have you ever seen human regs which are fighting for every postflop pot even with no equity (WWSF>50%, fold to c-bet < 40%) but still folding ±60% to 3bet and folding ±60% to steal? I think you haven’t (cause it’s impossible to find one).

If you bump at them at the table just go thru some of their hands with showdown to be sure that it’s not really usual game of regs.

4. Nobody knows who they are. Almost every Russian-speaking regs know each other in one way or another. In this case we have few dozen unknown ‘regs’. Dutch high-stakes regulars also do not know anything about them.

5. Rapid growth of their population in late 2015 / early 2016 (after PS/FTP closed their accounts they had start their expansion in other rooms).

It’s very likely that this is same people that were involved in d0ntiltonme case. Same unorthodox playing style and almost identical stats (but they lowered RFI which was clearly made to adjust for lower stakes and features of the second tier’s rooms with softer fields), again Russian and Netherlands, huge profit.

Here’s the list of active at the moment accounts suspected to be bots:

Party:



SegaMK3
RipWinamp
DuckShmidth
POKMY3blKAHT
durstfan
smartsowhat
partyphone37
but_flush
kingsnevrdie76
AcofAces14

ALLIES

Ipoker:



SegaMK3
RipWinamp
blankebetman
butttflush
tataromongol1

ALLIES


We suspect some more accounts but we don’t have enough proof at the moment.

It’s also likely that there are unknown to us accounts and that they are constantly adding new accounts.

What we already did:

We took our information to ‘pads’ (Patrick Leonard) who is PartyPoker ambassador at the moment. We hope he did what he can but there were no proper reaction (it’s been 2 month from our first talk)

We don’t have a clue what to do with iPoker accounts cause iPoker network has are a lot of rooms and it’s own security department is incompetent.
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:15 PM   #2
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

SegaMK3
RipWinamp
DuckShmidth
POKMY3blKAHT
durstfan
smartsowhat
partyphone37
but_flush
kingsnevrdie76
AcofAces14

Haven't read all the evidence posted yet, but this would be very sick if true. I regulary play with all of those guys. I have noted they never say anything in chat, or respond to me, and yes some of those guys do absolutely atrocious stuff but those are some really serious accusations. Def needs to be looked into further bc this would be huge if true. :s

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Old 06-14-2016, 08:24 PM   #3
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

Wtf, obv everybody has played a lot with these names. Would be indeed sick if true.

Only name that seems different from those is smartsowhat but again, could be bias.

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Old 06-14-2016, 08:33 PM   #4
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

Lol I hate every one of those accounts with a passion
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:36 PM   #5
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

I do have to say that from my limited experience smartsowhat seems to be the guy I d least suspect of wrong doing
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:36 PM   #6
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

i play all the time vs all of these guys, im not surprised by some of them but i just want to say, i have suspected for nearly 3 years now that smartsowhat and POKMY3blKAHT were the same person or a bot, so glad you've gone to the work pointing this out.
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Old 06-14-2016, 08:42 PM   #7
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

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I do have to say that from my limited experience smartsowhat seems to be the guy I d least suspect of wrong doing
yeah he also plays somewhat higher than most of those guys if I am right. But obv might be biased.

Do hate all of them with a passion indeed

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Old 06-15-2016, 01:26 AM   #8
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

Have wondered about but-flush myself when i have seen a player on raging tilt open jamming every hand he still raise folded to him non stop figured he was playing a billion tables but a bot unable to comprehend game flow makes sense.
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Old 06-15-2016, 01:28 AM   #9
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this is sick if true... def remember playing ton with sega, but flush and rokmuzykant. also def remember having all 3 of them marked as fishreg
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:33 AM   #10
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Only name that seems different from those is smartsowhat but again, could be bias.
No I agree.
Always thought its Vovtroy or some other HS reg despite they all are somewhat looser. Still it's eurosite so it could make sense.

But_flush plays looser than most of those SNs but yeah his OPR is weird.
And I feel skill level differs however you can change SNs on Party, right?
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Old 06-15-2016, 02:36 AM   #11
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

I was wondering where D0ntTiltOnMe went. He was a ****ing bot? jfc...
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Old 06-15-2016, 03:11 AM   #12
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

Hi all

Thank you OP for the detailed information
Can you please PM myself any further findings
I have raised this is urgent with the relevant team for review and full investigation
Action will be taken where deemed necessary

Kind regards

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Old 06-15-2016, 04:30 AM   #13
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jfc,thats sick.Thx OP for the great work!!(if true)
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Old 06-15-2016, 04:45 AM   #14
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

bots in mtts playing terrible and winning millions

confirmed mtts soft

good job OP, thanks for the work
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Old 06-15-2016, 06:32 AM   #15
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So they are not active on stars as far as your aware, I recognise a few names from party and old stars days damn my dad has always been right this games a scam :/ .

I have seen these bot forums though they do scare me somewhat, in ten years time if not stopped bots will have sucked most the $ out the games ...
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:02 AM   #16
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Re: Bot's network in MTT

I copy here my post from the same discution on Russian forum.

I don't play at Party. At IPoker I play the same tourneys every day. I've been playing a lot only with TataroMongol1. With other players listed above I played a few tournaments or even zero hands.
I didn't notice anything unusual in TataroMongol1's playing patterns. But I didn't make a deep research.
It seems strange that bots of the same kind are playing different tournaments with different average buy-in.
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Old 06-15-2016, 07:08 AM   #17
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I looked up some of them on sharkscope and it seems like they all stopped playing the end of may.

@user1234, not anymore.
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Old 06-15-2016, 08:27 AM   #18
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We don’t have a clue what to do with iPoker accounts cause iPoker network has are a lot of rooms and it’s own security department is incompetent.
I have some VIP contact on William Hill and they have been really helpful with variety of my issues unlike other iPoker skins. I send them a link to this thread and ask them for official statement.
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Old 06-15-2016, 08:41 AM   #19
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Thanks for pointing this out OP, hate But_flush so much idiot spazz reg.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:37 AM   #20
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This is fckn madness. wtf is ps and party security doing! Thanks OP.
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Old 06-15-2016, 10:42 AM   #21
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Tartaromongol never adjusts to me, neither has segamk or smart so what or pok3. Most human regs especially the better ones will adjust on a daily or weekly basis vs you if you are frequently playing pots vs each other but those guys never do. I had always figured they were either stubborn or just following a gto strat that made it pointless to ever change their basic approach, makes ton more sense they are just bots
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:30 AM   #22
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lol and i used to say : look at segamk3 and butflush, smart guys, avoiding stars and printing on euros

i guess we all had reads on the entire group to 3b the **** out of them already but makes sense now why they never ever adjust vs 3bets

agree that smartsowhat seems a bit different from the group

sick accusations!
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:39 AM   #23
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I played tons and tons of hands vs Sega on Stars, so idk about him avoiding?
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Old 06-15-2016, 11:42 AM   #24
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I played tons and tons of hands vs Sega on Stars, so idk about him avoiding?
i know he won the nightly 55 a few months back but havnt checked if he still plays there regularly
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Old 06-15-2016, 12:03 PM   #25
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I looked up some of them on sharkscope and it seems like they all stopped playing the end of may.

@user1234, not anymore.
I think PP users have an option to change thier SN every 3 months. Perhaps they changed them all or closed down the accounts?

Over the next X period if you find the same X players with same patterns it would suggest SN changes have been implemented.
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