the wcoop talk is misguided and counterproductive. very few people even have a meaningful edge in an online $5k, no-ones lining up to multiaccount it.

it's the people with 30 mostly unknown horses in the warmup and mill every week that go unnoticed, or the sickos in apartments in mexico or canada within walking distance of 20 mediocre grinders that are grinding every small coop

in those situations someone is always going to make a run, its very +ev to take over, and no-ones ever really going to notice or know

Rip playmoneyyy

i was joking about wizo fwiw

im either way to high or squee just made himself look like a complete idiot itt. you make a thread about trying to provide a solution to this problem but wont name people you have caught/know do this. LOL much.

I think this is half-correct at best, and the problem really is: the players with the biggest edges are also the most efficient at multi-accounting, ghosting, and finding extra edges/cheating.

From the sounds of this thread and other things people tell me, honest grinders have equity stolen from them in all kinds of situations...including the WCOOP main.

Heh, funny you say that. I know the guy that was playing on it and he is now playing on his own account again. When he relocated to Canada Stars refused to reinstate him for whatever reason so he bought the playmoneyyy account since the owner basically never used it. This was when Stars was being super anal about relocation verification, they took more than 2 weeks to reinstate my account around the same time period as when he started playing on playmoneyyy.

this would never happen tho because zeee germans are zeeee best.

eagerly awaiting the revelation of who was ghosted in the $3r rush

yeah cause the wcoop main is soooooo tough AMIRITE?

also gtfo @ any1 posting about this but refusing to call ppl out

This is such a bold claim, at best it could only be slightly true ,but you can't just make that assumption without any proof. Sure maybe a couple of sickos in the past have been caught ,but implying a majority of the best players take edges in immoral ways is just wrong.

i think he might be saying that the players who are taking those extra edges are the ones who are realizing it and thus have the clear advantage or edge.

Absolutely pathetic to see how many regs are in this thread and not naming names. Glad to see you dont care your "friends" are stealing money from other "friends" but its okay beacause its an online "grey area"

It is not grey. This thread would not exist if enough HSMTT players didn't think it was disgusting. It's cheating the game.

As far as banning HUDs, it should be done. It would not be harder to detect account if Stars actually did some hand analyzing and listened to regs who e-mailed them (isnt this how POTRIPPER was found?)

People will not stop until they are totally outted. If anyone wants to tell me names, I will gladly post them as long as I can get confirmation from an anonymous source. What's going on is going to destroy the poker world. Then no one will be able to blame the government anymore, just the people they let steal equity.

Nice job keeping quiet, close bunch of friends.

pointless derailment but yeah, kinda is tbh? it's a 2k person field with a really good structure so let's say 400 people are profiting in it. every good player in the world plays it, including cashgame players and all the baller regs who never normally grind online mtts. if you're in the top couple hundred poker players in the world then that's great, congrats, but most people reading MTTC and grinding and ghosting mtts are not. anyway pointless tangent and happy to defer to people who know more about what goes on than i do.

Pretty sure one of the big factors that put the nail in the coffin for potripper was his infinite river aggression, so HUD data was pretty important in that particular case. But srsly this HUD discussion stuff is a completely different beast to the issue of ghosting.

Its an impossible situation because the people doing it successfully just dont care that its unethical/cheating. They are not going to drop themselves in it and unless you have screenshots of someone using Teamviewer to control another account or a photo of someone else sat playing an account that isnt theirs, im not sure how youd get hard evidence? The few people jumping onto accounts and changing IP's deep in a game, which stars can easily detect, are not likely to be the successful/serial abusers.

If people did start posting rumours then it would quickly deteriorate into people just throwing any old names they didnt like around, because people are petty and vindictive.

Whoever said its just got to be taken as part of the game at the moment is right I think (Hasnt it always been part of the game?), and you just have to be on the lookout and try and play accordingly if you notice it. Raising awareness however isnt a bad thing as stars might start to do more about it. Although with regard to Online Poker cheating, MTT ghosting has got to be pretty far down their list of priorities.


I really wish elio did ghost his horses... J/K but yeh im very sure hed be rich(er), if he did show any interest in that whatsoever, which he doesnt.

What if I was tell you that (lets say theoretically) there was a situation in the last 2-3 years in a high profile 4max tournament where it played 3handed for a prolonged time (something like 30~mins) and player 1 was some reg, player 2 a MAer with account no.1 and player 3 that MAer with account no.2? Would that be something you'd be interested in?



(I wont elaborate on this theoretical situation that mightve happened, because nothing good can come of it, but some people here would be really surprised/sick of what kind of stuff goes on, sometimes with the knowledge of the sites even)

More pointless posts about stories that won't be told. Some players are so spineless and its sickening. How can you justify letting people cheat and not feel guilty, but guilty enough to post in this thread? Or are these just bad brags?

i did not read all the posts.
but what i want to mention is that on the german pokerstrategy forum in the selling shares corner are some players that "brag" with facts like that they know good players/coaches who can support them in a deeprun or if a late game coaching is taken the investors have to pay their part of the costs for the coach. (for pokerstars tournaments)
all that to make their staking offer more interesting and of course for their own financial advantage.

yup, stuff like this is actually out there in plenty of communities. People selling action with the promise that if they go deep, they'll be ghosted by some sicko

What kind of moron accept that ?

apparently morons in the german pokerstrategy forum.

unfortunately thats true to some extent, but from what I see people stopped doing that publicly. That being said it (obv) doesnt mean they're not doing it behind closed curtains..

@ Shane or Mickey, you are both team pros, does this ever come up in any discussions you have with stars?