Metagame the ghost, make muchos moneys.

Is a very common thing here, believe a big share of brazilian players use / make ghost.

Its so sick.

No need to ask for advice because you know the moral answer and what response you'll get. If anyone has a problem with ghosting or MA'ing, list names or stfu IMO.

Happened to me on FTP couple weeks ago (I think it was at the FT of $3r $6.5k GTD rush). Called them out in chat for it and funnily enough they went back to playing like a passive ****house.

^^ Spill the beans then, you obv know some names yourself.

anonymous rumour list seems like a reasonable idea, i'd like to be able to note all these people with "bryn?" or whatever and me/others having that read to take into account is at least gonna reduce their edge from cheating.

Hey if you guys aren't going to post lists at least add me on Skype so I can know the rumors.

Lol Noctus.

Can't wait to see that POS in hell.

a+ post kleatherson, tbh almost all of this is new info to me, although not exactly surprising.

I find it most amazing that the people involved feel cool and comfortable with these practices--that there are players who don't get queasy by the fact that they're not even good enough (is that what it is? not a high enough equity?) to finish out their own tournaments and not have to pass off the event to a backer or seek real time ghosting/advice.

That any backer could systematically do this sort of blows my mind too. I've worked with many many backers over the years, and never once was put in a position where ghosting was suggested. Is it, like, a requirement in some operations? Serious question--is there a firm agreement in place that the backer takes over at x-point in y-tournament?

How does such a backer sleep at night? And does having an avatar of the crucifix absolve one of all such misdeeds?

Then...just the idea that any of my peers would be willing to set up an anonymous account, play from the States while thousands of other grinders go to enormous hassle and expense to do it legitimately...well, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Most perplexing and frustrating thing is it's usually the most talented players with the highest natural edge who seek out the additional illicit edges.

But it's nothing new in poker...back in '04 I multi-accounted exactly once using the party poker exploit...it *felt* immediately and completely wrong, so I never did it again. Apparently many others didn't get this feeling, because "everyone was doing it."

So, meh, different ethical codes for different folks.

Also, seriously--LOL Noctus. My read on you was so dead-on from day one.

ye ban HUD's for starters and give the old school non cheaters a ***** chance pokerstarsssss

For the lulz...

This halfwit is actually offering ghosting for money

http://www.donbartos.com/coaching

"Live coaching means you play a couple of games and I will watch your play using join.me.
We will discuss your play using Skype and I will try to find things you should do differently.
The best thing about live coaching is the fact that we really get into the actual gameflow of the games.
Besides that I can give you tips that you can use directly and therefore profit instantly from it."

Now lets be honest anyone that wants coaching from this lolcat in the first place needs their head checked out but even still he's openly offering to ghost people for money...

... wug thoughts?

while we're at it, i heard your buddy 99nvrloses is using his brothers account, confirm/deny?

+1 for banning huds so that theres more bad regs to beat up on

or maybe it will make them think a little deeper and the games will get even harder!

+1 for banning fuds

Id just like to point out the fact that as a micro stakes player I'm happy I don't have to worry about this issue much, this is concerning though especially when my goal is to play high stakes one day.

It's particularly disadvantageous to people who grind higher stakes and don't have a network of other players to ask for advice deep in a major. I think it's almost impossible to police but it can be reduced if some kind of moral or silent code that it should be kept to a minimum should be a practice in the poker community. For something like that too happen people who do it continuously should be outed though, since its very unfair on some players.

Also on a sidenote, congrats on the Super tuesday win Mjw006, as per your suggestion of anonomous sns, I'm assuming that you feel like your getting multiaccounted or ghosted vs alot yet you still manage to crush, I can see your concern for other higher stakes players anD other rec players. Maybe just make supertuesday anonomous sns but doing it to every mtt in stars would really suck.

Also just to be clear i never play high stakes or know much about this whole issue just my thoughts

Do you really wan't them banned? I know your doing well without a hud but thats not a really good reason. Not dissing you but some people play alot of volume and they do help for that, so saying ban them may not be gooD For u in the long run since one Day you may need one to beat the higher stakes.

Just supriseD you woulD say ban HUDs since you clearly think you play better without one/ anD or just preFer that, why woulDnt u minD iF some numbnut was misreaDing his huD every 5 hans.

He is terrible, so it`s a good thing.

http://www.donbartos.com/apps/cafepress_shop/

Holy ****, thats my gf and daughter sorted for Xmas.

Srsly though, why not just moan about things people can actually change instead of pi$$1ng in the wind?!

Def gonna get a Donbartos.com shirt

I dont tend to agree with you a lot but.

2/2.

expectation/delivery of dramabombs ratio way too high itt, disappointing

No money in poker, everybody's so...mebody else.

LOL! You realize you are talking about poker players/gamblers. Some of the worst social humans are poker players. Degens will do anything for an advantage and I have seen many of their mothers on the corner begging for housing. Internet poker has turned many a young lads to become the same as those 60 year olds still needing to be staked for a $200 live tourney when they won $10000 two weeks before.

I think some people are confused on ghosting and what's wrong with it. There's nothing wrong with playing a hand to completion and than asking friends about it 2 min after hand is done. You can do this in live tourneys and discuss with friends on the rail. Problem is someone telling people what to do every hand in a deep run. Don't think there are many players who are 100% innocent either. I think this is a growing problem though and don't know what can be done about it.

All for banning huds tho lol

ghosting + ma'ing is very bad in MTTs today. not quite to the point of HSPLO, but things need to be done to protect the game. this thread has some good insights and suggestions as how to best combat what is happening:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...18/index6.html


i feel like stars needs to take a much more pro-active stance in these spots. the EV is simply too high right now, and you have a world of professional gamblers exploiting it. there needs to be an effective deterrent in place

Amazing passive aggressive OP from Squee after he has retired. Bravo on one of the most vague, passive, condemnation of a post. Didn't think it was possible to be such a large vagina in one post, but the post coupled with the timing is second to none.

RownIwin - grow the fk up.

EVERYBODY (with any clue about this community) knows somebody who is MAing.

EVERYBODY (with any clue about this community) knows somehow who is ghosting/has been ghosted/ or is ghosting others

Every industry has its underworld, dark side, call it whatever. Poker is obviously not an exception.

Anyways back to the horrible OP, are you calling out ghosting as your are in your title (which is 100% allowed) or MAing? Be more vague and do it at a more irrelevant time in your poker career. Stand up guy Squee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApTQ1kmrGbI

Pokerstars seems to be OK with Rafa being ghosted (ship ahead to the last :30 or so).