****ty situation. I would like to the information about the shady people become public information so we are aware of this as well and know the details.

To Chuck.. I think you should make a small group of people with a very solid reputation and maybe even a connection to PS. First people coming to mind are Shaniac and Mement. With a group of ~5 people, go over it case by case and the people grinding from America in order to support there family but grind legit. Their own accounts in order to provide for themselves instead of screwing over the community and gaining unfair edges, those people should go on the don't tell pile (let the corruption come...........?)..

The others should be clearly outed to PS and to the poker community.

Rh, your post is basically exactly what I think should be done. I was already contacted by Mickey and we will talk soon, and hopefully we can get a bit bigger group (claydol should be there since he's coming to the meetings too, and a couple of other people?).

small issue - if one of my providers' servers is turning off for w/e reasons Im switching to another internet source. Technically my IP is changing, I had tjis issue several times and thought PS security might think Im cheating. From CB post I understand I have nothing to be worried about, but do cheaters use the same scheme?

I probably have to use backup internet at least once a week so I'd say you're safe.

I understand it. I guess creating those kind of lists is the only option that we have. But for ghosts it will always be a good deal. If pokerstars even having a list of proofs that includes A CONFESSION by the ghost and a full list of other evidences cant do anything and never refund a dime, why is there any reason(except the ethical) a player shouldnt ghost?

its a win/win situation for horses and backers in the way pokerstars is allowing it.

The fact that it is cheating is enough of a reason for most reasonable people not to do it.

I wish i was good enough to ghost ...(obviously been screwed myself a ton due to this subject with my stable etc)

Won't this thread now just encourage the remaining decent MTT backers to start ghosting more (can't beat em ,join em)

Seriously who gives a **** about people who are doing nothing but VPNing from the States, engaging in zero screen name deception

Well, I've received quite a list of ghosting backers just today and they will be represented to Stars. I'm going to be shocked if, even as lousy as they are, they don't do at least something about it. I'm hoping after that being a scummy ghosting backer won't be as lucrative an option. It's these greedy *******s that need to be dealt with imo, because having 60 horses playing endgame as top shark level reg actually affects all of us. If a singular person is vpning for some irl reason it's not the end of the world IMO. I've got so many pms in the last 18 hours it's not even real, but please do send me more and more. Big scummy backers from at least three continents are going to be in trouble already (unless Stars keeps being Stars and ignores everything).


edit: that was in response to demetri, but yeah watevs I do basically agree with you.

I'd go as far as to say the americans who are "cheating" the system because it's the only way they can play online poker should be supported and not called out by the community. I can only imagine the lengths I'd go to if my own country shut down internet poker, and it's not like I'm in any way dependent on poker earnings. I'm right behind any player (of any ability) who's simply determined to play online despite what their idiot government tells them they can and can't do.

The guys who need to be called out are the top tier pros who are gaining unfair edges by operating unknown accounts or taking over from others deep in mtts. It's a pretty clear moral distinction, but the problem is the innocent grinders getting round the system so they can play online are relatively easy for stars to clamp down on, and the systematic cheats are extremely difficult if not impossible to police.

Some good work from chuck itt.

I would say either stars wrt their DOJ deal or other players that have invested a lot of money and energy into relocating. Whos going to decide which family situation is bad enough for them to be OK. I couldnt care less but saying nobody cares seems foolish.

I'm really not a fan of people breaking rules to reduce my winnings, especially after all the hardships myself and others have had to go through to play on Stars. So yea, I ****ing give a ****.

+1

this

I mean what can they really do? The best thing Stars can do is implement their software to detect something like teamviewer but thats very costly and even if teamviewer is off limits people can just share screens via skype.....I mean there's a million programs you can use to share screens and even if you ban all of those you can never ban cell phones....

I think Stars monitoring what programs are being run is a very good idea for security but the banning of programs people are talking about is a bad idea because the bad guys will find a way around it and it will make it more difficult for casuals to enjoy the game/get into the game.

Hey Stars how about Snitches get Tickets?

Because we cannot choose which rule is ok to break and which one isn't.

I understand that it sucks for the people who have families and can't/don't want to leave the US to play online, but many others have moved with their wives and kids (dhilton, oncommand) successfully.
Why should some people be made to follow the rules and others not?

No, it's not fun when I don't have a US address to give to a Dr or my CPA to mail stuff to me, other than my mother's address. I moved out the moment I turned 18 and never looked back, but now have to rely on her for stuff like this since I have no US residence. Is it fun to have 100% of my belongings and sentimental items overheating in a 10x22 storage unit in Las Vegas for over a year? No it's not. But that's the rule.

Why is it fair for me to comply with the rules and others not?

Considering that you only got like 1 ft at the time it`s like impossible to make it stop as you dont really need any program to give advice. A simple chat is enough.

Afaik my IP address changes every single time I restart my computer (dynamic IP).

Chuck i say post the names of the cheaters here for everyone to see... as a community we all deserve to know. These are the worst kind of scum. Smile in your face while they reach into your pocket. I am sure some of these people i consider "friends" are 3 betting me light on random sn's. I want to know! And mement who do u think pistelcazo or whatever is... i played with homeboy the other day he def played good.

and lay off stars security, compared to other sites they are like ****ing maximum security prison.

NAME NAME'S. I WANT TO KNOW WHO'S ****ING ME.

Clearly it isn't "fair" but the point is those people don't deserve to be banned and have their money confiscated whereas the people who are ghosting and cheating get off scott free and continue to abuse everyone on the felts. NAME NAME'S CHUCK. I WANT TO SEE A BLOODBATH. These are the people we should be focusing our attention on, not the people who make an honest living and maybe use a VPN or whatever to grind. I'd rather break an arbitrary rule on pokerstars than move to ****in mexico to grind and risk getting murdered/robbed etc. I haven't had to because I'm generally comfortable financially still (brag) and i haven't had the incentive... but if I were busto ? sheeeeeeeit i might consider it.

And technically, if u play on team viewer and a computer is set up in say, canada are you even breaking any rules? You're still playing from out of the country. I love travelling to Canada and it's only a 5 hour drive from my house, but there are other people who don't have that option... should they be crucified? I don't believe so.

And what about people like Shane who get turned away at the border? Lucky for him he went down to Mexico and won ****ing TODDDDDD. Or how about a friend of mine who had a DUI 10 years ago and wasn't allowed into Canada? There are a lot of obstacles. It's not so easy to just uproot your life and spend a boatload of money to relocate to play online. What about grinders with serious health problems? I feel sympathy for these people and have no desire to expose them. They are just trying to make a living and have no unfair advantage over the rest of us, other than being in the privacy of their own homes i suppose. Meh. Whatever. OI. Let's focus on the cheating scum who may or may not have relocated (think costa rica) instead of the VPN-ers.

Kramerica,

I can assure you that I won't be holding onto the information sent to me. I just don't think I can expose any of it pre-Stars meeting and I definitely don't want to take any chances. The only way to get me to not out them in the long run is for Stars to come up with a VERY good reason for why I should say nothing and let them handle it, and to date they have shown zero ability to ever come up with something like that. What I suspect will happen is that me, mement, omgclaydol, shaniac and a couple of others will go through all of it, choose what to present, then me and claydol wil present it to Stars, they will say "we will investigate", then they will do nothing and never respond to emails after the meeting, and then we'll eventually get fed up with Stars' incompetence and post the information here instead. And then we'll have another dramabomb thread for people to enjoy for a few weeks and no one gets punished and new rings will come up.

Right now I'm extra interested in the Vancouver Connection. I have the names of most of the people involved, including the winner of a certain large WSOP event last summer, and a ton of information about how they operate. I already know that a TON of US regs play through them, they charge you $700 a month and you give them your laptop, and they set you up with a very good connection in BC to operate from the US. There's a ton of backing involved, and this piece of **** is going to be in some serious trouble soon because it shouldn't be too hard to track his money transfers to horses and then ask for travel documents from the horses. I'd still be happy to get more specific information though so feel free to PM me if you know anything. I know this was a big talk in this year's WSOP and I've heard about it from several different people, all pointing to the same person operating it, but more sources can never be bad so hit me up.

Also, before the people whose operations are about to get destroyed hire a hitman on me with their massive profits from this scam, just fwiw what I've gathered has already been passed on and there's nothing you can do about it anymore. Eat it, scum


(in before 50% less MTT regs with BC address register for mtts tomorrow)

cool.

I believe i know who u are referring to, but not positive... maybe shoot me a pm. Anyways, like i said, i don't have a HUGE problem with that as long as they are on their own names... if on different names **** em, they should fry. I would never do it, not because i think it's wrong, it's just not worth the risk. If u get caught by stars u are banned for life as far as i understand. If anyone doubts me come see me... i'm ready to snap on these french ****S and i'm knee deep in poutine on the reg ya'll.

I probably have much different views on vpn'ing then most. I am able to relate to the US player that has a family/other commitments that wants to keep their job and cant move out of the country. If you think an account is vping, why do you care? You have their HUD numbers if you so chose, you have the current game flow info, etc.
I obviously would always like to know the most information possible when playing a certain opponent and for that info to be truthful, but today you can not. Id try 2 gather as much info as possible, such as who backs who, bc I def know when a backer takes over deep, and I adjust. Multi accounts seems feasible to stop but you cant stop ghosting unless you give stars access to your computer and some sort of video surveillance.

he really is