If a 200 buy-in swing is considered standard for 180s where the top prize is about 55 buy-ins, why would a larger swing be suspicious if the average field size is 5-8 times greater and the top prize is often 250-500+ buy-ins?

Was asking myself the other day talking to a buddy of mine, also a turbos |180 regular..Wich has the biggest variance? Low/Mid Stakes Turbos 180s SNGs or Low/Mid Stakes MTTs? Our debate focused on the fact that, of course on turbos 180s the fields are a lot smaller than on a regular MTTs but the Regular:Fish ratio are also so much worst than on a MTTs wich compensate some how the large field variance, dont know, what u guys think.

105k abi ~$110

My worst was getting in 55k makeup over a few months at abi ~$80. All it takes is one to get out tho!

Meh, they aren't necessarily doing it wrong, as long as they can afford to lose 50K, and keep a good attitude still grinding every day and playing well.

If you play ONLY $55 MTTs and lose 50K, then yeah, you probably suck, but it's really easy to lose 50K playing all the huge fields from $11 on up to $215 and higher during SCOOP/WCOOP, and still have an ABI of $50. ABI is a pretty useless statistic for predicting what size of downswings you can expect. I think something to do with how much first place pays would be more useful, since as we all know, most of our profit in MTTs comes from top 3 finishes.

Someone like Pessagno who just plays a bunch of small field tourneys with <5k for first, he is never going to have a 50K downswing. I don't necessarily think one approach is "better" than the other; it just depends on your personality. I personally would lose it if I dropped anywhere near 100K so I go with the low-variance approach even though I may be giving up a little EV in the long run.

My 2 cents:

I was down 30k at the Big 162. In 1 week I finished 1st twice and 3rd another time.

fish on a heater!

8k+ while playing upto 27d's. sowwy zima ^^

There are more regs:fish in 180s and the structure isn't great, but the mean prize and the top prize aren't that far off. In an $8/180 the mean prize is like $74 and the top prize is $397ish. Compare this to Sundays Bigger $8 - with 8671 runners and 1170 places paid, the mean prize is ~$60 with $10,410.94 for first. Obviously the field as a whole is weaker and when a good player gets really deep in the Big $8 he's going to scoop tons of equity from weak/scared players but even the very best player in the world can't overcome the prize structure. Factor in that we're all human and prone to making mistakes, tilting, brainfarting after a long days grind, playing too many tables, dedicating focus to larger buy-in tournaments, have distractions outside of poker going while we're playing, etc. and it's pretty easy to understand the hows and whys of the swings in scheduled MTT's.

Obviously if your buy-ins are grouped pretty close together and you're down a heap you should probably be scrutinizing your play and hiring some extra eyes to look over your hand histories, but the "lol 300bi downswing u suck man" mentality is flawed.

what he said

This makes me want to switch to cash.

yea this.

I spent a lot of time agonizing over my schedule because I play 5r/11fo (stars turbos) up to a couple 100r on the euros/week and a few ~$300 fos. My abi is ~$75. I had a 450 bi ds and my avg roi was slightly positive, ffs. Swings can be crazy enough with a tight spread of buyins and they can be absurd if you have a wide spread of buyins and you run really bad in the biggest ones. abi really is fairly meaningless.

This, of course. Dont want to turn this into a crying post, but just informatively: basically the variance in highstakes majors like SM/SW/big109/big162 and WCOOP/SCOOP is so huge that if you run bad in them, youre screwed and any downswing is possible because of how much it skews your ABI.

Since before WCOOP last year, I have played 4418 mtts with buyin <100, with a 37abi, 18% avg roi and 26.5k profit.

With 100+ buyin I played 882mtts (basically just big109, other 109fos/turbos, big162, SM,SW, 2nd chance few times, supersonic few times, 162 6max few times, 320 saturday few times, 215 plo/plo8/nlo8 and obv the better WCOOP/SCOOPs), my results in those are 166abi, -33%roi and -60k profit

Just play the Wcoop 10k and wipe it all away

4/15/11-present

Not sure if its cause u run bad... Abi higher better player!!

$85k with ABI $140. Got out of it in one night, LOL Donkaments.

Probably like 100k playing everything online

Havent played much since april of whatever year that was but I think im down at the titty club by my place that has 1 table of 1-2 goin but i usually get to ****faced to remember..so probably alot.

33k $80abi

600 Buy ins @ $65ish ABI. getting out there was fun though.

$120k, $90-$100'ish abi.

yikes. hope you're out of it!

250-300 BIs.

1,200 buy ins? Are u serious?