100/200

BU (9 bb's)
VIllAIN (53bb's)
HERO BB (32bb's) AQo

Button limps
SB raises to 713
HERO raises to 1,934
Bu folds
SB calls

FLOP (4,068)
9 5 4 DD

SB checks
HERO shoves for 4,742

would it be better to bet flop (like half pot) and shove any turn?

Any reads on villain?

The shove looks weak IMO. Would you play it the same way if you had TT+?

In these spots, it's important to answer two questions before betting.

1) Will a better hand fold?
2) Will a worse hand call?

The issue with your bet here is that it is highly unlikely a better hand will fold. Maybe you can get 22 or 33 to fold, but those just aren't appearing in Villain's range that often, given the preflop action. Since AK is the only other hand that might fold and that also doesn't appear in Villain's range too often (due to them not shoving preflop), I think the answer to question 1 is no, you will not get a better hand to fold.

The other issue in this spot is that in order for you to one pip your opponent, your opponent needs to be holding AJ. Will AJ call an all in here? Likely not. And if the very next best hand won't call an all in, it is unlikely that any hand worse than yours will call an all in.

An argument could be made that a flush draw will call, but those make up a very small portion of Villain's range, and unfortunately for you, the flush draws they do have also have live pair draws, making you a coin flip at best.

So I don't like the shove.

Should you bet? I'm not sure. It depends on Villain's image. What you need to do is ask yourself those two questions for varying bet sizes to determine whether or not you should be betting in this spot.

I agree, i just didnt go into as much detail as i know you or someone else always do

Checking back this flop because you commit way to much of your stack with no backdoors and ace high.

I also thought it looked weak as soon as I did it and immediately regretted it.

The villain had only been at the table for a few hands but was aggressive in the short time he was there. He opened a few pots, iso'ed some limpers, 3-bet twice, called a raise and was very aggro in the hand (min check raised the flop c-bet and jammed the turn for pot), I actually thought he was weak in that hand as he check raised a min c-bet so he probably assumed pf raiser wasn't strong which he seemed to be right.

But anyway, when the ss button limps, I had a strong feeling Villain was going to try and isolate/steal the pot. I was almost positive he wasn't strong.
My read on him was spot on, however, he still outflopped me with K5cc. I was very shocked at his pf call.
If I could do it over I would bet around half pot on flop and shove any turn. I'm not sure Villain would fold to this but my line would look so much stronger, I would be happier about it.

Prefer a shove preflop instead of a small 3bet with these stack sizes. Problem with the 3bet is if you miss the flop you're in a gross spot (just like the flop that just occurred) and you basically have a pot size stack left and not a lot of wiggle room.

Also you shouldn't be surprised at the Preflop call since your sizing was pretty small. Bump it up next time since there's more dead money in the pot if you decide to take the 3bet route

I'm really not trying to be argumentative or defensive but I couldn't disagree more.

The only issue with 3 bet shoving is that it's over 30 bb's, that to me is a weaker play that screams, "I have AK/AQ etc.." and will most likely result in folds. The hand is too strong and it's just a tad too many bb's to be 3 bet shoving in this spot (imo).

As for the 3-bet sizing... I actually don't mind it given the circumstance;
it's a very strong hand, I have a good feeling the Villain is weak and making a play and I also have position on him, and I really don't mind if someone 4 bet shoves on me as I'm prepared to gii pf here.
Also, I raised 2.7x which is a fairly strong size considering a "standard" 3 bet size would be around 3x.
After looking at the hand I think I should have just bet on flop and shoved the turn because that's what I would have done if I had an overpair.

Yes shove. No reason to put BU or SB on anything better than your AQo and now is not the time to need to flop a pair.


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I'd normally agree that a normal 3bet is usually better but due to the button limper it inflates the pot enough that I believe a shove is better. Also if you consider you're entire range, it's kinda difficult to have a balanced 3betting range in this spot. You may think it's better to do this with your strong overpairs as well like KK/AA but honestly I'd just call looking to induce the button limper with hands as strong as those imo wouldn't you say?

As for your other statement on it screams like a weak play I'd argue against that by saying despite AQos, despite being a strong hand, it doesn't play well postflop on many boards, especially multiway if button called somehow. If you really want to squeeze the thinnest of values with a small 3bet then sure you can get a weaker hand to call but those hands will have very good equity vs AQos and with the given pot odds villain is never making a mistake by calling. Position helps yes but if the stack to pot ratio that is so small then really it becomes less of a factor. Sometimes it's not about getting the very max value of a hand. Let's not forget by shoving you can still get called by worse!

Anyways, I'm not here to say your 3bet was bad or didn't have logic behind it, all I'm saying is given the stack sizes and button limp there are strong merits behind shoving.