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Old 11-27-2010, 05:42 PM   #1
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TPTK facing aggression

Villain = 27/0/5.0 over 15 hands

Full Tilt Poker $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP1: $7.67
MP2: $4.93
CO: $3.80
BTN: $5.00
SB: $5.58
BB: $5.00
UTG: $0.45
UTG+1: $0.51
Hero (UTG+2): $5.31

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG+2 with A Q
UTG calls $0.05, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.22, MP1 calls $0.22, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.22, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.78) 5 K A (3 players)
Hero bets $0.60, MP1 raises to $1.80, BTN folds, Hero calls $1.20

I'm not sure on my cbet sizing here. I was betting for value but as soon as I get raised I have to reevaluate. Is calling here ever correct or am I best throwing the hand away?

Turn: ($4.38) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $4, Hero?

Easy fold?
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Old 11-28-2010, 04:58 AM   #2
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Re: TPTK facing aggression

PF I would have opened bigger given my position. If people are CC this much at the table you want to cut down on the SPR and on their IO for calling so much.

On the flop this is a crappy spot. You hit you hand but your OOP vs. 2 full stacks. C-bet is mandatory IMO but once MP raises us it's decision time and you should really be thinking how to play the turn whatever you decide to do.

Hands we are behind:
Sets: AA and KK seem unlikely given PF action so the only set that makes sense is 55.
2-pair: AK seems unlikley given the PF action (though some players flat AK) and K5 should probably be discounted so it leaves just A5

Draws he could play this way:
Only thing that makes sense is a FD, and if he has the NFD with the A he has 50% equity in this spot.
SD don't make sense expcept maybe FD's with a GSSD (JTs, QJs, QTs).

Hands we beat:
AJ and below (expcet for A5)

So the question is of course how likely is villain to play a draw this way and/or a weaker Ace? Your read is sketchy given he's an unknown. At 25NL I probably let this go until I have a better read since this is at best a draw and at worst a better made hand which puts me in a sucky spot. At 5NL though the average player is probably worse and so I would be reluctant to fold TPTK (given AK is 2-pair) so fast. If the average 5NL player overplays Ax I think the best play is to call and stack off on any non club turn (so at least our equity is better vs. the draw part of his range). If you think this can't be worse Ax hands often enough it's a fold on the flop.

As played call the turn. The T only helped QJ, so it's mostly a blank.
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Old 11-29-2010, 06:06 PM   #3
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Re: TPTK facing aggression

Thanks for the in depth response Lanyi. I wish I thought about all of that stuff when playing a hand.

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PF I would have opened bigger given my position. If people are CC this much at the table you want to cut down on the SPR and on their IO for calling so much.
This is one of the concepts that I'm still having trouble with. I'm reading Professional No Limit Hold Em at the moment and some of the author's advice on this topic doesn't seem correct to me. However, I had the same opinion of a lot of stuff in SSHE the first time through so a reread will be in order once I've finished it.
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Old 11-30-2010, 03:45 AM   #4
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This is one of the concepts that I'm still having trouble with. I'm reading Professional No Limit Hold Em at the moment and some of the author's advice on this topic doesn't seem correct to me. However, I had the same opinion of a lot of stuff in SSHE the first time through so a reread will be in order once I've finished it.
I haven't read PNL so I don't know how much of it's content I agree/disagree with but from what I've read about the book on 2+2 the gereral consensus is that it's a good book to read.
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Old 12-04-2010, 06:59 AM   #5
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Re: TPTK facing aggression

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This is one of the concepts that I'm still having trouble with. I'm reading Professional No Limit Hold Em at the moment and some of the author's advice on this topic doesn't seem correct to me. However, I had the same opinion of a lot of stuff in SSHE the first time through so a reread will be in order once I've finished it.
PNL is a good book, tho some advice may look akward because they're geared to play against live non-observant terribad player.

Regarding the hand I don't play FR, but on the turn you're toast like always. Otf I'm inclined to bet/fold given pf action and positions and board texture.
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:19 PM   #6
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Re: TPTK facing aggression

I think it's more likely that its me that's wrong. It's something that I've never considered before so it will take a while to sink in.

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