blah here's a crosspost from frnl forum
what do you guys think about this:

http://forums.twoplustwo.com/showthr...32#post1867732

I agree with the responses on the other forum...I think it's a shove, and if he has a boat, so be it.

i can't describe to you how standard this is

haha, just kidding.

But seriously, I'm very happy getting it all in here.

yeah i agree akak , just was going thru my sesh and posting some of the big pots/tougher spots

i bluff too much. same as it ever was.

When I read your post about NL and bluffing I thought "Bluffing? I should do that?" I take stabs at pots from time to time, but honestly I hardly ever bluff.

man, nl is ALL about bluffing. Doyle will tell you - sometimes a man's just not willing to put his whole stack in the middle. Find those spots and drag those pots!

I guess my question would be... why? As in, why do it more than I do? I'm already pretty profitable over 25k hands.

Maybe against the tougher, TAGgier opponents that are more willing to lay down a hand?

Maybe I just don't think I play at stakes where people can make the lay downs necessary to bluff. I don't see the point of making it a major point of my game beyond c-bets, double-barrels on whiffed overcards, etc.

there are multiple styles obviously

online if you play a lot of hands with a solid style, bluffing isn't really necessary to be a winning player at least up through nl100 in my estimation and experience. if you play a very aggro or lag style then obviously bluffing and semibluffing is key to take down lots of small and orphan pots or to get a tag off qq on a k38 board when you have air but c/r him very big and you know he doesn't stack off with underpairs.

live, as doyle says, is a different scenario where you can't play 2000 hands a day, and playing the man can be as important as playing the cards.

for my style, which is lots of tables, lots of hands, lots of grinding to reduce variance and get to the long run, i don't focus as much on bluffing as my primary source of winning. obviously in certain spots against regulars once you develop reads it becomes more useful but for a beginner i recommend playing tight and solid and only once you get very comfortable should you open up your game and your repertoire. it kind of goes back to the stealing blinds thread earlier. some people were saying why bother and that they don't even mess with it, and some people are definite advocates of it.

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SB: $37.10
BB: $42.75
UTG: $39.05
Hero (MP): $54.55
CO: $28.40
BTN: $24.20

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with Q J
UTG calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB raises to $2, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.50) J J K (3 players)
SB bets $3, UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, SB calls $4

Turn: ($20.50) J (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB calls $10

River: ($40.50) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB folds

Sometimes you just have to fold your full house getting 3-1. What more do you want?

LOL royal - I probably screwed up this hand, too.

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CO: $2.97
BTN: $7.92
Hero (SB): $3.48
BB: $2.50
UTG: $1.96
UTG+1: $13.62
UTG+2: $8.00
MP1: $0.75
MP2: $1.97

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K T
6 folds, BTN calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.06) J K A (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, BB folds

Turn: ($0.18) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.18) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.24, BTN folds

I recently passed the 200k hand mark, has 2 royals so far. One at limit , one at NL, I think I managed to get some pay-off on both.

Tonight, I had a a hand with 8d7d, where I bet/called a bit at flop and turn. Turn made my straight with JT9, not so nice really. River brought the 9d, completing my straight flush.

Brag: I checked and villain bet all-in with his ass-end straight.
Beat: He was a short stacker at 40 BB or so.

Also, on a side note, can anyone explain this:

My current main site is Everest. They offer good bonuses and attract donks that make Party players jealous. In playing their bonus, you need to start up tables (double bonus clearing rate) .

Somehow, I start up play on POT-limit tables a lot and my win-rate at these is thru the roof. Is there any specific reason PL is more fishy than NL?

hmmm, good question. Maybe regs just stick to one game, ie, 'I always play 100nl' so don't ever bother looking at the PL tables. Fish on the other hand, 'ooooohhh, pot limit, that's a bit different I'll give that a go'.

I like this theory. I found that the non-BBJ tables on UB were much tougher than the BBJ ones. I think it was because the good players didn't want to donate to the jackpot so were grouped on the non-BBJ tables.

Also, FT has .15/.3 tables that I'm pretty sure I'm going to skip altogether. They usually have a quarter of the players at .1/.25 and .25/.5. I have a feeling only people who are playing w/ bankroll considerations in mind play there, and thus no fish.

the .15/.3 tables are deep buyin iirc

okay swongs at nl100 are starting to get ridiculous imo

You can crush microlimits / lowstakes without ever really running big bluffs, occasionally semibluffing with a combo draw (like oesfd or something) is enough to make sure you get action, really. That and an aggressively-styled game, lots of pf raising and lots of flop cbetting, but big bets on turn + river only with the goods.

I played like this for my first ~50k hands of NL, the biggest downswing was about 4BIs and I won ~3.5ptbb/100 at 1/2 and 2/4. The games were a bit softer then but the point remains.

At higher stakes you really need to learn how to bluff/rebluff, and then you have to learn when NOT to bluff, because you'll start doing it way too much!

Developing the instincts to put in rare (but well timed) big bluffs will do quite well in 2/4+, you only need to do it a very small % of the time to get ppl thinking "hmm...I saw him get a big bluff snapped off" or "hmm he's been betting really big on the river the last couple times we've made it there." etc.

The only way to figure out what works and what doesn't, and what board textures are good etc is to think about hand ranges and then go out and try it.

Surf

Decembers going pretty well:

Hands: 12,266
$: $18237.60

Mostly 5/10, a good amount of 10/20, and a bit of 3/6 when the higher games aren't that soft.

Beat: No PT so I don't get to make pretty graphs. Ah well!

Surf

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CO: $24.05
BTN: $9.40
SB: $26.90
BB: $13.80
UTG: $40.15
Hero (UTG+1): $20.85
MP1: $9.75
MP2: $30.25

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6 6
UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.25) 6 4 2 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $1, MP2 folds, SB raises to $3, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($7.25) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $23.65 all in, Hero calls $14.60 all in

River: ($42.45) Q

is anyone playing 100 fr (or 50) and wants to do a session review/many reviews or become study/play buddies? lemme know or PM pls, thx

I have no idea what you mean. Thought it was an interesting hand from a no-content who-cares point of view. The K on the river was a bad card, but I wasn't bitching.

Is there something that makes everyone think that my posts are bitches and complaints?

(with no disrespect meant) you mostly seem to post beats and coolers?

Fine, I'll post more hands that show what I'm an expert player I am.

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BB: $151.60
UTG: $30.00
CO: $50.60
BTN: $25.10
Hero (SB): $75.80

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K A
UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50) 5 2 J (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

Turn: ($1.50) T (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $2, UTG folds, Hero calls $2

River: ($5.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5, Hero calls $5