X-Men: First Class Slow Vanilla Game Thread
07-26-2011
, 01:17 PM
in before tl;dr... this is Dean day 2... I stopped at 1311 for labeling...
The peek analysis
hifi = wolf stuff
Hifi UAW and Supine voted him (it could have been convenient and UAW and Supine could be his peeks) the kinda is lame though
He did not peek Vyk based on this post, I changed the way I did the peeks, reference the chart at the top, I'm not going to remove anything I've written so far... I'll put the chart at the bottom too, and I think I labeled the posts.
1250
1259
1263
1296
This was a good argument for Dean being villa and everyone ignored it 
1311
This is villagery, imo
There is nothing vague about Sun... I wonder if he peeked Mikey...
| Person | Peeked |
| Anarchist | x;1250 |
| bojtun | x;1311 |
| CPHoya | x;1311,1263, 1296 |
| fnord_too | x;1250 |
| HerbieGRD | x;1263 |
| HiFi | x;1250 |
| J.D. | x;1311 |
| loosekanen | x;1311 |
| Sun Tzu | maybe; 1263, 1296 |
| Supine | x;1234,1267 |
| TheDean1 | x |
| UAW710 | x;1267 |
| vyk07 | x;1250 |
| XXsooted | x;1250 |
| Zayana | x;1259 |
The peek analysis
hifi = wolf stuff
He did not peek Vyk based on this post, I changed the way I did the peeks, reference the chart at the top, I'm not going to remove anything I've written so far... I'll put the chart at the bottom too, and I think I labeled the posts.
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OK if supine is a wolf i'm going to feel dumb for making this post, but first look at the different ways i've been voted.
anarchist just says it's very suspicious that i'm pushing aksdal when he seemed to agree enough to sponge earlier. i feel like he basically knows aksdal's a villager and is accusing me of being suspicious for pushing him, a new villager should be considering that aksdal's a wolf.
here's a counter example from supine where he thinks i didn't try to find any other wolf very hard. i think he's alluding to herbie's mish mash where i called like 15 people wolves day 1, so i can see how he thinks that. and i guess he missed the part where i called aksdal wolfy earlier and thought i was just sponging. this just feels like a villagery reason to vote me and a stark contrast to anarchist.
more to come
anarchist just says it's very suspicious that i'm pushing aksdal when he seemed to agree enough to sponge earlier. i feel like he basically knows aksdal's a villager and is accusing me of being suspicious for pushing him, a new villager should be considering that aksdal's a wolf.
here's a counter example from supine where he thinks i didn't try to find any other wolf very hard. i think he's alluding to herbie's mish mash where i called like 15 people wolves day 1, so i can see how he thinks that. and i guess he missed the part where i called aksdal wolfy earlier and thought i was just sponging. this just feels like a villagery reason to vote me and a stark contrast to anarchist.
more to come
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here's another example
Sun Tzu asking people why he thinks he unvoted me page 1
Anarchist agrees even though Sun didn't articulate a reason.
OK so now he thinks loosekanen is a wolf
literally like less than half a page later loosekanen shows up on his villager list, unprompted. and i show up on his wolf list out of the blue (i think i was starting to put mild pressure on him)
now anarchist doesn't think loose is a wolf anymore for some reason.
Sun Tzu asking people why he thinks he unvoted me page 1
Anarchist agrees even though Sun didn't articulate a reason.
OK so now he thinks loosekanen is a wolf
literally like less than half a page later loosekanen shows up on his villager list, unprompted. and i show up on his wolf list out of the blue (i think i was starting to put mild pressure on him)
now anarchist doesn't think loose is a wolf anymore for some reason.
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Some new villagers are spongey some are defiant and live in their own world.
But the primary tell for new wolves is a lack of originality and fluidity in their thoughts.
It's not like he's realllly curious as to my role and keeps changing his mind. It's like he just arbitrarily agrees with what everyone else itt is saying and isn't coming up with anything original. Look at his thoughts on loosekanen- he goes from wolf to village to wolf without any explanation whatsoever, his reads entirely depend upon what other reads people in the thread have been sharing. This is because they likely aren't real reads.
But the primary tell for new wolves is a lack of originality and fluidity in their thoughts.
It's not like he's realllly curious as to my role and keeps changing his mind. It's like he just arbitrarily agrees with what everyone else itt is saying and isn't coming up with anything original. Look at his thoughts on loosekanen- he goes from wolf to village to wolf without any explanation whatsoever, his reads entirely depend upon what other reads people in the thread have been sharing. This is because they likely aren't real reads.
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they aren't totally independent.
if xxsooted is a wolf he doesn't really fit with either hifi or vyk because he was pushing both of them and i don't think he busses d1
anarchist had a couple of interactions with hifi/vyk that seemed kinda not ww but i wouldn't clear him for either or both of them flipping wolf.
fwiw fnord fits in with a lot of possible wolf teams right now.
if xxsooted is a wolf he doesn't really fit with either hifi or vyk because he was pushing both of them and i don't think he busses d1
anarchist had a couple of interactions with hifi/vyk that seemed kinda not ww but i wouldn't clear him for either or both of them flipping wolf.
fwiw fnord fits in with a lot of possible wolf teams right now.
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Why is this is a safe assumption?
I know I'm villa and I really don't think any nut/zay/sun/hoya are wolves.
So among the name brand players I guess it's too soon to clear Herbie or s00ted, but I don't think we can safely assume that at least one of them is a wolf.
There's no reason that the wolf team can't be something like vyk/hifi/fnord/anarchist and they would be fully capable of letting a w/v flip occur.
It's anti-villa to just say "I want to catch the good wolf" on d2 and vote me. It's much more important that I don't get lynched early as villa than I do get lynched early as a wolf.
I mean you can be suspicious of me all you want but there's no way that you can say that this isn't my villager game. I have been working hard to clear myself here and I'm a bit surprised that I am a legitimate wagon.
I know I'm villa and I really don't think any nut/zay/sun/hoya are wolves.
So among the name brand players I guess it's too soon to clear Herbie or s00ted, but I don't think we can safely assume that at least one of them is a wolf.
There's no reason that the wolf team can't be something like vyk/hifi/fnord/anarchist and they would be fully capable of letting a w/v flip occur.
It's anti-villa to just say "I want to catch the good wolf" on d2 and vote me. It's much more important that I don't get lynched early as villa than I do get lynched early as a wolf.
I mean you can be suspicious of me all you want but there's no way that you can say that this isn't my villager game. I have been working hard to clear myself here and I'm a bit surprised that I am a legitimate wagon.
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A lot of wolves are afraid of outing themselves to save their partner.
Consider that vyk is a wolf for a moment. I believe that this also makes HiFi a wolf, and she made an effort to save him by voting aksdal. Then it's perfectly reasonable for the other two wolves to be like, anarchist/fnord who are just sitting on the third wagon and hoping that nothing goes awry.
You said earlier that you think anarchist is wolfy. If anarchist is a wolf, do you think I would let him bus me like that d1 as his partner?
Consider that vyk is a wolf for a moment. I believe that this also makes HiFi a wolf, and she made an effort to save him by voting aksdal. Then it's perfectly reasonable for the other two wolves to be like, anarchist/fnord who are just sitting on the third wagon and hoping that nothing goes awry.
You said earlier that you think anarchist is wolfy. If anarchist is a wolf, do you think I would let him bus me like that d1 as his partner?
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I didn't say vyk's vote on aks was villagery. I said it made them unlikely to be w/w
Then I re-read the turbo and his reaction wasn't as similar as I had made it out to be in my head.
And I thought it was wolfy how he was volunteering to get lynched.
And I just wasn't as certain on aks being a wolf anymore.
Then I re-read the turbo and his reaction wasn't as similar as I had made it out to be in my head.
And I thought it was wolfy how he was volunteering to get lynched.
And I just wasn't as certain on aks being a wolf anymore.
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Well HiFi claimed to be an excited villager but instead she's playing like a wolf who doesn't give a ****. I just re-read her and she has yet to post anything that resembles a thought process, let alone a villagery one.
This post is just a complete joke, and for a villager to vote me over her you would have to be high on crack or something.
This post is just a complete joke, and for a villager to vote me over her you would have to be high on crack or something.
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No.
But why?
Meh sorry aksdal, The difference from your last villager game and this one made you clearly the best option to me.
CPHoya, remember the turbo you won recently as a wolf where I was quiet most of Day 1, came in and fake-peeked swiitch late, you killed me, and then talked about how it was a weird kill? And then after the game, I told you how I looooved to do that as a wolf as well? Does this from HiFi remind you of anything??
Hi villager.
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I don't get the dean votes AT ALL, and I don't get the votes for him yesterday either.
A point in Dean's favor, aside from being villagery, is that he said he thought aksdal was wolfy yesterday but ended up voting vyk - the guy who aksdal called a wolf once aksdal kicked into gear. This by itself would by wolfy if aksdal was a wolf, but he wasn't. Also, when dean voted vyk the vote count was:
6 - aksdal
5 - vyk
4 - dean
putting aksdal and vyk in a 6-6 tie with dean still in danger of being lynched if someone flips a vote or snipes.
So, if dean were a wolf, why wouldn't he put his vote on villager aksdal, who was a viable lynch that wouldn't bring him heat, and give himself a bigger cushion from being lynched as well?
Because he's a villager. That's why.
But why?
Meh sorry aksdal, The difference from your last villager game and this one made you clearly the best option to me.
CPHoya, remember the turbo you won recently as a wolf where I was quiet most of Day 1, came in and fake-peeked swiitch late, you killed me, and then talked about how it was a weird kill? And then after the game, I told you how I looooved to do that as a wolf as well? Does this from HiFi remind you of anything??
Hi villager.
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I don't get the dean votes AT ALL, and I don't get the votes for him yesterday either.
A point in Dean's favor, aside from being villagery, is that he said he thought aksdal was wolfy yesterday but ended up voting vyk - the guy who aksdal called a wolf once aksdal kicked into gear. This by itself would by wolfy if aksdal was a wolf, but he wasn't. Also, when dean voted vyk the vote count was:
6 - aksdal
5 - vyk
4 - dean
putting aksdal and vyk in a 6-6 tie with dean still in danger of being lynched if someone flips a vote or snipes.
So, if dean were a wolf, why wouldn't he put his vote on villager aksdal, who was a viable lynch that wouldn't bring him heat, and give himself a bigger cushion from being lynched as well?
Because he's a villager. That's why.
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Because I don't think Herbie helps contribute to a CFD of vyk as w/w, I know Zayana wouldn't bus there, and I'm pretty sure that XX or JD wouldn't bus there either. I know I'm villa but I wouldn't bus there either in case outside viewers need convincing.
That would mean that all 4 wolves were Dean/Aksdal voters (including vyk).
So looking at the Aksdal voters other than vyk we have:
bojtun- super villagery
hoya- villagery and shc
loose- really villagery
mikey- dead villa
hifi- wolfy
So if vyk's a wolf for HiFi to be villa that would mean one of the following is true:
1) an unlikely busser was bussing vyk
2) all 3 of his buddies were voting me
or 3) I am erroneously clearing one of hoya/boj/loose
It's possible that one of these are the case but it seems kinda unlikely to me.
So if vyk's a wolf I have trouble envisioning a scenario where HiFi is villa.
That would mean that all 4 wolves were Dean/Aksdal voters (including vyk).
So looking at the Aksdal voters other than vyk we have:
bojtun- super villagery
hoya- villagery and shc
loose- really villagery
mikey- dead villa
hifi- wolfy
So if vyk's a wolf for HiFi to be villa that would mean one of the following is true:
1) an unlikely busser was bussing vyk
2) all 3 of his buddies were voting me
or 3) I am erroneously clearing one of hoya/boj/loose
It's possible that one of these are the case but it seems kinda unlikely to me.
So if vyk's a wolf I have trouble envisioning a scenario where HiFi is villa.
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I am posting in 3 live ww threads at the same time, one of which just concluded and put me on lifetilt. The 7/18 Euro and Vanilla Mason Superhero one. That mistake was a big oversight on my part. I would like to think that I would never make it as a wolf.
I am heading down to the shore, will try to post from my phone later
I am heading down to the shore, will try to post from my phone later
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since when are you confused about people's roles?
btw i feel like you might be eating your right nut sack at some point. i don't see what you see, i just see a chatty n00b who likes to level.
it kinda reminds me of eadgbe in that one game where he was top poster as a wolf and everyone just cleared him on tone and he won endgame. or milkreggae in his first turbo when his tone was pristine and he would have won endgame but ****ed up the NK.
btw i feel like you might be eating your right nut sack at some point. i don't see what you see, i just see a chatty n00b who likes to level.
it kinda reminds me of eadgbe in that one game where he was top poster as a wolf and everyone just cleared him on tone and he won endgame. or milkreggae in his first turbo when his tone was pristine and he would have won endgame but ****ed up the NK.
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That wasn't really a soulread to be honest, it was moreso POE and the fact that you seemed kinda w/w with rebonk.
And tbh I'm not clearing you, but at the very least I don't think I wanna lynch you unless vyk is confirmed villa and I can't think of a plausible wolf team that doesn't include you.
But if you are villa I really do wanna try and clear you based on tone, etc, so hopefully that will happen at some point.
And tbh I'm not clearing you, but at the very least I don't think I wanna lynch you unless vyk is confirmed villa and I can't think of a plausible wolf team that doesn't include you.
But if you are villa I really do wanna try and clear you based on tone, etc, so hopefully that will happen at some point.
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because she's a prolly wolf and he was an easier target?
i dunno, she hasn't made a single genuine read all game and there's no reason to not lynch her.
hifi, oti, chrja
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...ht=miencraften
i dunno, she hasn't made a single genuine read all game and there's no reason to not lynch her.
hifi, oti, chrja
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...ht=miencraften
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I feel like I should be better
I blame Herbie for being so good at catching me
Cliffs:
-wolves crushed the rand
-s/s wagons d1
-I bus HiFi har-har-har-hard d2
-lotta UTR villagers gave us more mislynches than we could have possibly dreamed of
-me, herbie, oti, chrja never received more than 2 votes iirc
ultimately it wasn't very gratifying because it reached the point where globe and uaw were the only villagers trying and they were basically priced into trusting me since me and herbie were like the only two other people posting.
I blame Herbie for being so good at catching me
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-wolves crushed the rand
-s/s wagons d1
-I bus HiFi har-har-har-hard d2
-lotta UTR villagers gave us more mislynches than we could have possibly dreamed of
-me, herbie, oti, chrja never received more than 2 votes iirc
ultimately it wasn't very gratifying because it reached the point where globe and uaw were the only villagers trying and they were basically priced into trusting me since me and herbie were like the only two other people posting.
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sun, you can't vote me over hifi when you have never corrected cleared me as a villager on tone.
and ofc i'm going to attack vyk when he hard claims seer with a dean = wolf peek when i'm lead wagon.
supine's confidence in my wolfdom seems like that of a misguided villagery and i look forward to controlling his avatar.
anarchist is probably a wolf because he lays off me when i don't get pressure and immediately votes me whenever the pressure turns up. just because a few people are tonereading him as villa doesn't make me the wolf and him the villager- his role is still unconfirmed.
hifi has basically given up which i really wouldn't expect her to do as a villager. she needs to die regardless.
otoh i'm a villager and will in due time clear myself and draw a night kill because that's what i do.
if you guys wanna be ******ed heroes and lynch me over the obvious wolf then you get what you deserve.
and ofc i'm going to attack vyk when he hard claims seer with a dean = wolf peek when i'm lead wagon.
supine's confidence in my wolfdom seems like that of a misguided villagery and i look forward to controlling his avatar.
anarchist is probably a wolf because he lays off me when i don't get pressure and immediately votes me whenever the pressure turns up. just because a few people are tonereading him as villa doesn't make me the wolf and him the villager- his role is still unconfirmed.
hifi has basically given up which i really wouldn't expect her to do as a villager. she needs to die regardless.
otoh i'm a villager and will in due time clear myself and draw a night kill because that's what i do.
if you guys wanna be ******ed heroes and lynch me over the obvious wolf then you get what you deserve.
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if another hifi voter switches to me be sure to lynch them after her
if herbie or hoya vote me be sure to lynch them
policy lynch anybody who maj's me
i have a mish mash to rand, i'll offer more later
lol @ me not helping the village, i have posted a ton of reads and content.
if herbie or hoya vote me be sure to lynch them
policy lynch anybody who maj's me
i have a mish mash to rand, i'll offer more later
lol @ me not helping the village, i have posted a ton of reads and content.
| Person | Peeked |
| Anarchist | x;1250 |
| bojtun | x;1311 |
| CPHoya | x;1311,1263, 1296 |
| fnord_too | x;1250 |
| HerbieGRD | x;1263 |
| HiFi | x;1250 |
| J.D. | x;1311 |
| loosekanen | x;1311 |
| Sun Tzu | maybe; 1263, 1296 |
| Supine | x;1234,1267 |
| TheDean1 | x |
| UAW710 | x;1267 |
| vyk07 | x;1250 |
| XXsooted | x;1250 |
| Zayana | x;1259 |
07-26-2011
, 01:50 PM
I still think my Supine UAW assumption has merit he does say kinda, but whenever he mentions supine being a wolf, he puts a 
on it... he's definitely joking and he wants to make it obvious. The way the pushing happened I would think he'd consider Supine = wolf more if he hadn't peeked him.
The HOYA=villager is mikey's peek... he's reiterating it itt... I thought Hoya maybe, but I found stuff on day 1 and day 2 to discount that so far. I think Hoya is villa, but not his peek, aorn.
on it... he's definitely joking and he wants to make it obvious. The way the pushing happened I would think he'd consider Supine = wolf more if he hadn't peeked him.The HOYA=villager is mikey's peek... he's reiterating it itt... I thought Hoya maybe, but I found stuff on day 1 and day 2 to discount that so far. I think Hoya is villa, but not his peek, aorn.
