YES!

THIS!

oh he was doing his no reads day 1 thing... that's why, let's see what later brings.

I don't think people fake anger as often as people seem to think.

I also don't think there's anything villagery about anger.

maybe hifi was angry about getting randed wolf again

He feels better on day 2, I'd be inclined to give him time before judging his fluffy day 1 based on his no reads thing. Cause if he's a villager he can own wolves.

Noooooooo

That is part of his wolfiness. Someone gave him "permission" to give no reads and he gladly took it.

He also easily "lended" me his vote an aksdal, although tbf, I think he changed it ... too lazy to look right now.

But the point is, he was mostly interacting with a select few people about stuff that anyone could easilt talk about as a wolf and not Herbie-izing the **** out of the thread like he should be.

Agreed.

Frustration, real honest frustration, can be super villagery, but anger is usually wolfy. And they are entirely different emotions even though they share some traits.

He did, he changed to vyk not too long after I was making my vyk > aksdal case.

I agree about the Herbie-izing, but right now I'd still be inclined to give him some time... tomorrow before condemning him. I'm biased I guess, if I know someone can be an awesome villager I tend to want to give them more time to be awesome. But yeah his first day of day 1 in particular looks so terribly fluffy and bad.

Fair enough .. but if stronger players start getting picked off, he can own villagers, especially newer ones, equally as hard.

Probably why everyone thought I was a wolf when I was soooooo pissed at Duck. But I was honestly pissed and I haven't played a game with him since, though I'll start again soonish I'd imagine.

He's not picking anyone off between now and tomorrow... and yeah, that is why I helped and even pushed his lynch when he was sorta like this his last villa game we were in together.

there's some truth to that but my point is that it's more reliable to look for similarities than differences

I mean, I obviously agree with you that there are differences between a person's wolf game and village game and that's what we try to find in playing this game

what I'm saying is there are other sources of differences

someone can post differently because:
- the structure is different
- their emotional state or circumstances outside the game are different
- the player roster is different
- they get heat early or don't get heat early
- they feel confident in their reads or they feel lost

you can't just say "you said something different last game and were a villager, therefore you're a wolf"

and you can't just say "you said that before and were a wolf, therefore you're a wolf again"

you have to look at how and why, not just what

Ok guys I have to crash, more analysis and brain beating tomorrow. Any last questions for me nut since you'll be gone most of tomorrow?

I've seen different types of village performances from herbie, including being mia at times

The game I pushed Herbie in, he was villa... if you want to x-ref... he was very mia.

He did Herbie it up when he was present though

We're obviously not really disagreeing at all then, so we can move on.

This helps me jump to different points itt to see what was going on, since we have such a big thread, it might help you tonight:

Count	Post	Player	Vote
1	26	Supine	HiFi
1	39	fnord_too	TheDean1
2	44	XXsooted	TheDean1
3	61	Sun Tzu	TheDean1
2	65	TheDean1	HiFi
	72	Sun Tzu	unvote
1	101	TheDean1	HerbieGRD
1	106	HiFi	Supine
3	126	loosekanen	TheDean1
1	211	TheDean1	loosekanen
1	248	TheDean1	Aksdal
	378	loosekanen	unvote
2	410	CPHoya	HiFi
1	505	HiFi	loosekanen
3	612	Sun Tzu	HiFi
4	613	Aksdal	HiFi
1	625	TheDean1	MikeyObviously
1	627	CPHoya	XXsooted
1	632	vyk07	Supine
2	644	bojtun	MikeyObviously
1	684	XXsooted	Anarchist
4	702	XXsooted	HiFi
2	705	Anarchist	TheDean1
1	763	bojtun	Aksdal
2	775	CPHoya	Aksdal
3	777	HerbieGRD	Aksdal
4	781	TheDean1	Aksdal
1	815	TheDean1	MikeyObviously
3	854	TheDean1	TheDean1
1	879	Aksdal	vyk07
	900	Anarchist	unvote
4	906	Anarchist	Aksdal
	942	Anarchist	unvote
	954	Anarchist	unvote
	956	vyk07	unvote
1	958	HerbieGRD	UAW710
3	960	UAW710	TheDean1
2	963	TheDean1	UAW710
3	992	TheDean1	Aksdal
3	993	Anarchist	TheDean1
4	1003	Supine	TheDean1
4	1008	MikeyObviously	Aksdal
2	1017	Zayana	vyk07
5	1047	vyk07	Aksdal
3	1052	HerbieGRD	vyk07
1	1090	XXsooted	Anarchist
4	1096	XXsooted	vyk07
4	1109	XXsooted	vyk07
6	1153	HiFi	Aksdal
5	1169	J.D.	vyk07
6	1189	TheDean1	vyk07
6	1204	loosekanen	Aksdal
4	1216	Night

Can't think of any right now. Oh wait, yes, one:

Why did Supine make your villa list? He's been kind of lost in the shuffle for me, aside from Page 1 when I was clearing everyone who came into the thread.

I think my point is you can't just find a difference and stop there

but I'm sure you agree with that, so yeah, we're done

I think Herbie is a villager fwiw

Because...

I can throw together a case for him being villa tomorrow if you want. His first post was good, his reaction to your calling the post above gold was villagery, imo. You were referring to your own post but he had posted in between. I can find more.

One thing you mentioned when I mention you not giving reasons is that people can always just ask, so I'll ask... why do you think he is? For right now I'm hoping he is, but I have to dig to really decide for myself.

I hate to do this but it deserves more time and intelligence than I have available right now

I'll go over it tomorrow

I'm about to crash

me too and I'm ok with that good night

It's not the MIA that bothers me.

Sun, you remember the phrase "a scintilla of passivity"? That is an example of just how closely I look at things when I'm not simply being my "entertaining" self.

I take a multitude of things into account when making reads. My scope is never all that narrow as to say things in such simplistic terms as X did one thing different, therefore X has a different role.

But sometimes I will emphasize one particular thing for effect. Ex: "Gatito is the leaning tower of Pisa."

Anyway, we're debating something that we agree on, so nm.