my game is evolving and being developed as I get more and more experience under my belt

being around my ~10th ww game, this is the first game where I attempted to incorporate seer cover into my village game and it backfired terribly (look at any of my other wolf or village games for reference)

regarding Herbie's reads about my game here being similar to my game as a wolf in the noob mason game, 1) I don't see it the way you do (please elaborate) and 2) I am in the process of merging my wolf and villa games for strategy and deception

I mean, I don't know what else to say here. As I said repeatedly before, If I was a wolf I would be bending over backwards to accommodate zaya's request of "act more villagery nowwwww!" and with the help of my wolf teammates in wolf chat, I am sure someone experienced could give me the right guidance/advice to do so.

I mean, this must be my first villa game where I have been accused/questioned early resulting on each and every further attempt I make to comment/clear myself, only further implicates me in the opposite direction. It's not as if Zaya telling me to act villagery is out of the question, but that every action/comment I make as a villa only further and further implicates me somehow

if I am a wolf here, there is no further impetus for me to comment in this game, as some master detective or another is going to over analyze as a wolf further, unless you think that my overlord wolf teammates are throwing me out as a decoy or something

im basically a lame duck waiting to get lynched during the next few days regardless of the hifi or supine outcomes. understandably so

dont level yourselves please

You guys should coin any further futile defense strategy, vyk-centered.

i.e.

Master: "I am upset that loosekanen was lynched and flipped villa yesterday, but his defense was very Vyk-centered."

krayz: "Oh yah, standard"

This part is why I keep trying to give you a chance...

This part is bad... it was systo's strategy for a LONG time, ask him how it worked out for him. He got lynched early, EVERY game. Even now, after he's finally stopped doing it, people STILL want to lynch him early because of his old meta.

Basically it's a BAD plan, so if you intend to continue that course of action, don't be surprised if you get lynched early as a villager or a wolf EVERY time. Ask Systo how many must-lynches he lived to while he was doing that. Not many I'd wager... I like playing with Systo now, and it bugs me when everyone tries to turbo-lynch him when I think he's a villager. You are just setting yourself up for a lot of frustration with your plan imo.

Which is exactly why I'll NEVER compromise my villager game for my wolf one. I LOVE wolfing... but ~75% of the time you are a villager. I'd rather have a good wolf game and an EXCELLENT villager one. I think I've accomplished that. Even if I'm wrong about wolf reads, I myself am easily cleared by others. And I do a lot of legwork to make it easy for the rest of the village to make up their minds. I try not to blinder. I really do try, I mean even you have to admit I keep giving you chance after chance. IMO, until you are lynched you can change my mind. I've had my mind changed at the last minute before and cleared someone that was literally about to be lynched at EOD and found better wagons. You can only work with what you are given though. So if you don't give me villagery, I can't clear you for it. I asked you to give me your opinion on two people (EASY rereads) and why, and you still haven't done it. Why not, I have no idea? But if you get lynched this game, you can only blame yourself.

*laugh* you do crack me up if that makes you feel any better

And with that I'm crashing

I sometimes think the trajectory of how a player develops in ww varies quite a bit by what role they get in their first game or 2

very true

but I would also incorporate their initial results with their first few games into that statement

i.e.

losing as a 1st time wolf, "I think I screwed up or could have played differently, I need to change how I play this down the line"

winning as a 1st time villager, "ez game"

I lost my 1st and 2nd wolf games and then drew wolf in like game 7 and went balls to the wall for the win but ended up losing because the 3rd person made the right vote on accident.

When I say merge my wolf and villa games, I don't mean entirely. I am taking about partial merging of certain things that I would do in one role and not the other, making sure to do each in both. A good example of this is seer cover. If I only provide seer cover during my wolf games, than all of a sudden my games a lot easier to read. However, if I integrate seer cover into village games also, that balances my range.

And you asked me about loosekannen earlier. I read him as a villa and hes gone. I would love to read some more posters, but they arere not posting otherwise than the standard, "I agree", "That's so wolfy of you to say", and/or "Wait, lets not MAJ yet guys! It's too early!"and so as well as countless fluff, giving no critical info.

Point of reference: loosekannen has employed the Vyk-centered defense methodology in all of his previous villa games with me and he has been mislynched and flipped villa every time. He had a few good quotes about defense strategy in the mason noob game about that.

About the bolded: if you are the tie breaking vote which lynches me down the line, I am not going to blame myself/ It is going to be your fault we lost, for failing to read my Vyk-centered defense properly. That is my own personal style and it's something you will quickly notice and become accustomed to down the line.

Your command of "QUICK, DO VILLAGERY STUFF SO I CAN CLEAR YOU" is highly exploitative for experienced wolves. You are much better off judging my reaction after applying pressure. Do I thunderdome you? Do I get mad? Do I ignore you? Do I go out of my way to qualm your fears? Do I post a LOLcat in response?



This is all critical, Vyk-centered defense information that I have given you for the luxury of your analysis and interpretation, rather than just a scripted and faked outpouring of posts fitting what I believe to be your villagery template.

Alright bitches, I'm home from Vegas AND home from work for the first time in about 72 hours, so I'm about to do work up in here.

lolcats are wolves

In order to do so I'm heading back to like page ten, gdi.

What's the current soft-consensus or thought on who the peeks were? I know Herbie thinks it's hopeless but I'm gonna try anyway, Dean is too good to bungle seer that badly.

First of all, I cannot believe we lynched Dean after vyk did his fake wolf peek. Like, I can't believe that happened.

Second, regarding the red: wat.

vyk

because he isn't even trying

Both peeks will be in day 2 btw, not sure if anyone noticed this today.

that's such BS

You've been trolling/spamming the thread from the start and you say that I am not even trying? Exactly what the hell have you done to contribute as a villager instead of spaz (your first ww forgiving).

There are like 4 players still left in the game who have 10 posts between them the last 2 days. Am I supposed to read the 4 of them as wolves for credit here?

I already give yourself and zaya as villa reads, and would prob include supine and JD in that group as well given time. Picks wolves from the rest of the other group via Herbie's plan if Hifi flips wolf. Something like Hifi/xxsooted/fnord/ + 1 of sun/cphoya

huh?

the huh was at cphoya

I already said hifi and supine are wolves, then take your pick from the low posters. could be uaw, JD, etc.

i mean also we're assuming that all of our clears are 100%. its possible one wolf could be someone we think is villa

I already explained it as a grammatical/structure fail due to multi-tasking 3 live ww at the same time and getting drunk in AC as I post from my small as sprint phone

I will throw you a wolf lean here after fakepeeking you villa on d1

I am already a wolf goat here for whichever days upcoming lynch and theres no reason to push me here unless your trying to get some late credit.

no reason to push you? you lies about peaks and in general have acted pretty damn suspicious.

throw in UAW in the potential wolf group and solidify cphoya as a prime wolf candidate

CPHoya

Get some late credit for what?

If you're a villager I just voted a villager. One only gets credit if you're a wolf.

You keep doing this.