So why would the seer actually say "if I'm the seer I peeked x as y"? Because it is something they might do as a villager. The ultimate goal of a player is to make their seer and wolf game look exactly like their vanillager game, that means their villager game has to have some method of conveying peeks so it does not look out of place when they are the seer.

wow, thread is really slow tonight.

Alright, gonna start with a little HiFi analysis since everyone thinks she's wolfy, this is her entry, starting here.
justifiably annoyed and this doesn't feel forced to me

Dean and Supine are the two that had voted her... it's actually kinda villagery to automatically suspect the two voting her.

Some jokes and fluff

Hoya touched on this yesterday

Fluffy stuff

Her vote

fluff, well not really, someone told her not Supine and this is her response if I recall correctly, it's an image so trying remember here

fakepeek talk has been done, Hoya covered this

Can't remember who this is to, she is really defensive but in fairness she came in to two votes without posting. I'd probably be a little defensive too.

Kinda weird if she really thinks he's a wolf

at Supine

Don't recall who this was directed to

or this...

ok, she called Dean and Supine wolves, this is what they had posted at the time:
And Dean:
Self preservation so early on day 1 always makes me go "what?"
Talks about wolfy jokes
What I assume is a joke, but includes HiFi
Really?
Ok, so going through these, not making judgements about Dean or Supine's roles... but of these two, why does she go Supine over Dean? I'd have picked Dean between the two if I was limiting myself that way.

Ok, next batch...

Ok, starting my re-read but no clue how far I will get. I also am going to assume its all been done before, but whatever.

For Page 1: HiFi not looking good, she combines "anger" and jokes in multiple post in a very short time span. IMO anger is fake.

So I caught this. In a previous game Herbie was a wolf with Dean, and cleared him on Page 1...

This is Herbies 5th post of zero content.

Villa lean: Herbie
Wolf Lean: HiFi

Want to clear nutjob for the million posts, but pretty easy to post that many times with noone to challenge you, no matter the role.

Ok, so the next batch by HiFi...
Ongoing game is over, I'm interested

I don't agree with this in terms of zero data points, but I can see why she's frustrated. I just don't know that I play with her enough to tell if it's fake or not, so I'm just going to stop at this point. I don't really see any wolf hunting on further skim of her remaining posts, there is a lot of joking and defensiveness. I can understand the defensiveness though. I'm still at nfi for her. I'd lean wolfy based on lack of villagery content. I was hoping to come out with she's w or v, but I could go either way. I don't see anything particularly villagery, no post that makes me say, she HAS to be a villa here. I'll do Dean, I think I can figure him out at least.

Dean, why why why do you have to have the second highest post count?

In regards to Loose...both Dean and CPH say its a horrible post, it certainly attracted my attention, but thought it was a shade villagery IMO. Not something I see a first time wolf saying.

I also think Loose never makes his first post he did as a first time wolf. I didnt even notice it till it got referenced but went back...villager IMO.


In Herbies MM I started as a vanillager, and had a villa lean on Fnord. (he was a wolf). I then subbed back in on his team, so might be able to grab a bit of a read on him later...the one thing I noticed was a ton of "pro-villa" vote counts in that game.

Page 2: adding a villager read to Loose.

Zaya, did you look at the timestamps between HiFi's "justifiably annoyed" posts, and her "joke and fluff" posts?

Those groups were literally groups of HiFi in the thread... so the first group was all bang bang bang bang... the second groups was all bang bang bang bang... she flips back and forth within them. I can understand the frustration, but I think I see what you are saying... the frustration is interspersed with jokes therefore it's fake? Hold on, I think I have a good reference point for that. When Duck tilted me hardcore? I'll see if I let his pissing me off affect my interactions with everyone else. I remember someone telling me thought I was faking anger, when I was genuinely pissed (and a vilager). I know I'm not HiFi, but it'll help me get in her head maybe.

because i'm a villager with oodles of awesomeness to sow about the thread?

the most productive thing to do here is just assume i'm a villager and move on.

JD, I think you're villagery so you better not be a wolf, k?

You soul read me wolf in my one wolf game recently (not counting Herbies MM)...

You are right again.

I am not clearing you in return though, k?

FWIW: angry posts: 9:05/9:06/9:06
nutjob non-peek: 9:07
Joke posts: 9:07/9:08
Fluff Herbie/"tilt post": 9:09
Joke post: 9:10

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=904 Here's the beginning of Duck "peeking" me wolf, I know it's more drastic then a couple of votes, but meh... I did try to not let it influence my interaction with others... a heart for mets a wink for YG, but I can tell I'm definitely more "touchy" than I normally am. I was touchy the rest of the game though, but that's cause I was wagoned every single day for the dumbest reason. And people kept saying I was not being pro-villa when I was doing everything I could for the village and solved the game at the end, to the point where wolves conceded.

That wasn't really a soulread to be honest, it was moreso POE and the fact that you seemed kinda w/w with rebonk.

And tbh I'm not clearing you, but at the very least I don't think I wanna lynch you unless vyk is confirmed villa and I can't think of a plausible wolf team that doesn't include you.

But if you are villa I really do wanna try and clear you based on tone, etc, so hopefully that will happen at some point.

Well clearing me is a really easy way to get on my good side

I usually trust people who clear me, since I also believe I can be a relatively easy mislynch for wolves.

ok, I'm not really joking in those posts, I'm pretty frustrated and it's obvious on tone if you read them.

Oh and I found this funny on skimming, some of you will greatly appreciate this, it is completely not relevant to this game, but it is to the one I wolfed with Sun and Sooted:

Dean why do you think HiFi picked Supine over you? Curious if there is meta I'm missing

Hey Dean, got a link to miencraften handy? Who'd you wolf with Herbie? and?

because she's a prolly wolf and he was an easier target?

i dunno, she hasn't made a single genuine read all game and there's no reason to not lynch her.

hifi, oti, chrja

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...ht=miencraften

You are kind of a sick wolf aren't you Dean?

What happened in Miencraften? Synopsis

I feel like I should be better

I blame Herbie for being so good at catching me

Cliffs:

-wolves crushed the rand
-s/s wagons d1
-I bus HiFi har-har-har-hard d2
-lotta UTR villagers gave us more mislynches than we could have possibly dreamed of
-me, herbie, oti, chrja never received more than 2 votes iirc

ultimately it wasn't very gratifying because it reached the point where globe and uaw were the only villagers trying and they were basically priced into trusting me since me and herbie were like the only two other people posting.

There are some things that make me want to clear you, but you are right... I'm scared to at this point. Especially after skimming Miencraften...

I was going to go read Hi-Fi, but thanks for posting all her posts so I didn't have to click through them.

When she came in on D1 and added some spam to my spam, I liked it because it was amusing, and when she called me a lock villager (but not her peek) I liked it some more because I can be a sucker for being called a villager.

Her tone doesn't seem forced, but it doesn't appear like she's really trying to figure out the game.

I could be convinced to vote her ... but how does her tone compare to other games? I've never played a long game with her, and we might have somehow not even been in a turbo together.

There I go asking for someone to say if she usually sounds different as a villager, and trying to use that as a dterminer of her role.

(lol to my Black Panther friend about that topic in a second btw.)

Zaya, you shouldn't worry about dean for now - or probably the rest of the game. But you should worry about Herbie.