But on the other hand I still remember the seer-hunter claim from Lost Wolves too...

You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means....wait wrong game.

I did not remember fcbl screaming about this. Atfter skimming his posts (which is easy, bc pretty much they all aer short enough to be fully viewable on search) I only saw him referenced being "cleared" one time. Please let me know if I missed some other time.

Actually here's an obvious problem that I'm dumb to not have mentioned.

I wasn't in the game when dudd was killed and myrrth was obviously AWOL, so it's pretty much impossible that myrrth/I decided to FPS the kill.

I know you said you were mainly thinking of FCBL but then Aries points out that FCBL didn't actually do the thing you say drew your attention.

It's not looking good.

This is the one psot I found. I would not even go so far as to call this raising his voice, let alone screaming.

cept for the little bit about ME NOT BEING AROUND AND PULLING IT OUT OF MY MEMORY...WTF! I STILL HAVEN'T TAKEN MY TIME TO GO BACK AND CHECK, AND I PROLLY WON'T. STOP ****ING BUILDING A CASE ON ME FROM AIR...THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS. I WAS IN AC ON VACATION AND DIDN'T READ THE THREAD FOR SEVERAL DAYS. I KNEW FCBL WAS THE FAKE PEEK BECAUSE FCBL (AND PROLLY SOMEONE ELSE) BROUGHT IT UP...I THOUGHT I SAW YOUR NAME SOMEWHERE THERE ALSO...THAT'S WHERE I GOT THIS "OMG COMPLETELY UNFATHOMABLE" IDEA FROM.

[_] bitchibee --- jg
[_] browneyedgirl ---
[_] coordi --- zurvan
[_] dustin --- jg
[_] fcbl --- zurvan
[_] gtpitch --- jg
[4] jennifer --- zurvan
[_] m1ke --- zurvan
[_] myrrth (wn) --- zurvan
[1] onthinice ---
[_] scrubbo (aries) --- zurvan
[_] sixfour --- oti
[_] zomghax --- zurvan
[7] zurvan --- jg

you are on the list of possible wolves, NAD LTLKAJTING LIKE THISJHLTGIJ UJST INSTO GOING TO EHLEP TOO MUCH FMOMGF

I know i'm on the list of possible wolves, but the fact that WN is consistently trying to fit his theory around small possible loopholes in what I'm saying is so damn bad. I explained myself as best I could and he's working hard to get me lynched and it's a PITA to correct every minute detail that he gets wrong

JG,

- I'm voting for zurvan. I'm not trying to get you lynched. In fact I have been trying to figure out if you could be a villager by asking you questions about your posts. It's your responses that are making you seem wolfy, not my questioning. I didn't start with a theory. I started with surprise that you called FCBL and I wolves, and proceeded from there. You weren't even on my radar before today.

- Pointing out inconsistencies, gaps and errors in people's arguments are part of wolf-hunting, especially when those errors don't seem to flow from a villagery thought process. You say it's "so damn bad" but look at it from the perspective of a villager who doesn't know your role. What's so bad about it? At the very least, it can't be anything but pro-village for me to point out arguments that help clear me (for example that I couldn't have pushed for dudd's NK as a leveling exercise.) Our interactions also provide an opportunity for you to change people's opinions about you, which is pro-village if you are a villager, given that you have not been that clear. In order for you to argue that it's bad, you have to either demonstrate how it's bad as a matter of gameplay strategy, or bad logic, or whatever. Otherwise, you have to argue that I'm being disingenuous and misrepresenting the facts (and say _how_). You haven't done either very well, and that's why instead of this interaction leading to you getting clearer, it's led to you getting more suspicious.

As an aside, if you are a villager, let me say that I know very well how frustrating it can be to have to defend oneself against accusations. Hell I got Nez so tilted he got himself mod-killed after he made a mistake in his herald claim in arrows of the queen. I've tilted at people at times myself. But at the same time, I also know I'm not making stuff up out of air, and I think you should be able to see that too. You say you're doing your best. So am I.

I always feel kind of bad/guilty when I make an argument about someone being a wolf and they get upset or whatever (but mostly only after I find out I'm wrong). So that's probably why I'm writing this, but at the same time I think it's a little asinine to act like you getting lynched would be indicative of some horrible bad unjustifiable play on my part. Basically, I'm always open to changing my mind, and I try to be as fair and even-handed in my arguments as I can be (well normally, sometimes I get aggro-tilted :P), but if you get lynched as a villager here I think it's going to be your fault, not mine.

I understand what you're saying but there really aren't inconsistencies. You suggested that I backpedaled, but I didn't do that at all and I tried to explain that and then you go ahead and try to say that my point is invalid cause I wasn't sure. I don't wanna assign myself villa-points, but I think that me not knowing that you were part of the Dudd "seer-cleared" people and just going off memory is more villagery than wolfy, because I would be firm on my stance that you were definitely "seer-hunt" cleared, which would go well with the double fps nk theory.

Also, you say that I bring up Aries in the same post as you and fcbl...doesn't it make sense that I'd do that seeing as how you and fcbl were "cleared" (at least that's what I thought) cause of the Dudd nk, whereas Aries and I were made to look bad because of the LL nk?

And I agree, it's more villagery that you didn't bring up that you're seer-hunt cleared, and I think it's way more wolfy that FCBL did. But you just keep bugging me in that you seem to be twisting my words and really want me lynched. I know I'm a villager so it's just like you say ya huh and me saying nuh uh

JG,

Please link to the posts where fcbl was screaming about being seer-cleared.

i looked back...he didn't scream it, but it stuck in my head (idk why)

he was talkign to someone and said "I'm seer-hunt cleared. what have you done?" or smoething

.

This is probably my last post about this for now since I don't want to bog down too much more, but just to clarify:

I didn't really say you're point was invalid, I said that it's not the easiest thing in the world to believe that when you said "process of elimination" you actually meant something that is substantially different than process of elimination in the usual sense, and it's even harder when certain other things you say (i.e that you weren't sure it applied to me) don't seem to fit.

You say that the two posts about why FCBL/WN are wolves are not "inconsistent", but it seems plain to me that any one else in the game would consider it inconsistent (opinions from others?), and the only villagery sort of thought process I can impute to you where I could give you credit for not seeing the inconsistency as a villager is one in which the assumption that the kills are a connected FPS-play is so ubiquitous in your mind that you didn't realize that it wasn't something that had been talked about in the thread at all, and you made the mistake of thinking we were all already on the same page.

That's one possible interpretation. There are two others I can think of though.

One is just the basic level 0 "JG is a wolf who got caught making a bad argument and is doing his best to patch it up now". The only reason I don't immediately favor this one is that you specifically mentioned FCBL and I.

The other is "JG is a wolf and wolves discussed the 'double-NK-FPS' idea in wolf chat and JG made a mistake in that he meant to elaborate on it in his post calling FCBL/WN wolves but when he was writing it he got confused and treated it like that assumption was already out in the open precisely because it _was_ out in the open in wolf chat".

why do u think the wolves didnt take a shot at dustin? Weird imo

Alright I'm gonna reread Luckay.

Saw one quote that basically forces me to do this

AriesRam

OTI: You guys are bussing zurvan today. Just thought you might like to know.

Your friend,

WN

@ Aries.
Aries is a wolf

About Zurvan. Zurvan= Villager

BEG= Villager

Aries + JG = Wolf

Wolves
JG
Aries

Villagers
Zurvan
BEG

Also the only reason the wolves didn't kill Dusting is because they did not think he was the seer. They must have thought LL was.

Therefore we need to lynch JG/Aries

And get the hell off Zurvan who probably isn't a wolf anyway based on the way yesterday went.

What about yesterday clears zurvan?

Jennifer Garner

I think more villagers should stop letting the wolves lead them

The fact that there were 5 wolves and we only had 2 wagons (Zurvan/Icon) wolves rarely leave themselves 0 chance of getting a villager myslynched.

sometimes wolves don't have much of a choice.

that means nothing

Combine that with Luckay being the one killed last night after calling him a villager. I am very certain that Zurvan is a villager.

And am even more certain JG is a wolf.

BTW If I were actually the seer this game my peeks would go something like

n0= Zomghax(Villager)
n1= DMK(Villager)
n2= Bigger(Wolf)
n3= M1ke(Villager)
n4= xxxx (Wolf)