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07-07-2009 , 01:41 PM
Well that wasn't a productive two hours of work, but I've finished a re-read (somewhat quick) of the thread, and here is what I have from it. BEG, Gtpitch and m1ke are clear from Dustin's peeks. I feel I'm pretty clear from my interactions with Bigger. Coordi, WN, and OTI are also clear. FCBL I'm not certain on, but I'd lean villa from Dudd's nk. Aries has been pretty villagery today, but I'm not certain, and same with JG.

So that leaves us with Bitchi, Zurvan, Sixfour, and I guess one of JG/Aries. IMO, Bitchi is a wolf, and there is probably a good chance Zurvan is. Sixfour I don't really have a read on, and JG/Aries I feel are probably w/v.

It looks like Zurvan is probably going today. If we follow that with Bitchi and then one of JG/Aries and re-evaluate Sixfour after that, I think we'll be in good shape.
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07-07-2009 , 01:42 PM
Oh and vote: Zurvan
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07-07-2009 , 01:44 PM
I should probably do some real work now - for my job.
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07-07-2009 , 01:47 PM
ZOMG - do you have a reason for thinking I'm a wolf?
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07-07-2009 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
ZOMG - do you have a reason for thinking I'm a wolf?
I think you are a wolf too
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07-07-2009 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Zurvan
JG: I actually said "I don't look at interactions until a wolf is dead"

I was a little occupied last night, trying to deflect FCBL's lies about me. It's a little irritating that he goes after me EVERY SINGLE game, and in order to keep up that streak he's now making **** up, and when it's pointed out he's wrong, he just twists the facts to fit his predetermined conclusion
No lie Zurvan.

This game you are a wolf. Previous games are irrelevant.
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07-07-2009 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by FCBLComish
No lie Zurvan.

This game you are a wolf. Previous games are irrelevant.
Well, at least you've stopped making crap up to get a lynch. Stating it as a fact won't make it so.
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07-07-2009 , 02:04 PM
Does OTI's play weird anyone out or is it just me? Is this standard from him?
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07-07-2009 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
ZOMG - do you have a reason for thinking I'm a wolf?
Should I have a reason to not?
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07-07-2009 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ZomgHax
Well that wasn't a productive two hours of work, but I've finished a re-read (somewhat quick) of the thread, and here is what I have from it. BEG, Gtpitch and m1ke are clear from Dustin's peeks. I feel I'm pretty clear from my interactions with Bigger. Coordi, WN, and OTI are also clear. FCBL I'm not certain on, but I'd lean villa from Dudd's nk. Aries has been pretty villagery today, but I'm not certain, and same with JG.

So that leaves us with Bitchi, Zurvan, Sixfour, and I guess one of JG/Aries. IMO, Bitchi is a wolf, and there is probably a good chance Zurvan is. Sixfour I don't really have a read on, and JG/Aries I feel are probably w/v.

It looks like Zurvan is probably going today. If we follow that with Bitchi and then one of JG/Aries and re-evaluate Sixfour after that, I think we'll be in good shape.

Why do you have oti as villagery? I think 64 has been better than him.

Other than that, this is a pretty good list (providing you lynch jg and not me).
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07-07-2009 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
Certainly.

-You start with two players who you say are implicated.

- You assert that you arrived at that conclusion by process of elimination.

- In order for the process to be one of elimination, it must have involved starting with a larger set of players (for example: all unpeeked players, assuming dustin is seer)

- Having started with that larger set, and finished with a smaller set, and given that you described the process as one of "elimination", than it seems perfectly reasonable to assume that all the players in the initial set who are not in the final set were eliminated for some reason, which has not been stated.

So in order to answer my question, you have to either

a) explain that one of my assumptions is wrong. I.e you didn't start with the list of unpeeked players (and if not, why not?)

b) explain that just because you only mentioned me and FCBL and called it a process of elimination, you really didn't actually eliminate the other players, you just thought FCBL and I were the most likely. In this case you can read my question as: Why are we the most likely? (Which was basically my first question, and the more important one)
I knew off the top of my head that Dudd nk "cleared" FCBL cause he was screaming about it for 100 posts ITT. If you remember, I wasn't really around for a few days cause I was in AC, so memories of Dudd's "peeks" aren't really fresh on my mind. That said, I thought that you may have been "cleared" for the same reason, thus I think that the FPS of the LL nk also seems to point to an fps of the Dudd nk. I don't know if what I'm posting is clear enough...if you'd like me to try to make my explanation more clear then I'll try.

That said, I'm definitely not taking OTI and Bitchi off the wolf list. Bitchi was on me for a while for absolutely no reason, even when I was gone, which is absurd considering I wasn't even around to defend myself. Killing Luckay would kinda make sense for him to do because it would enable him to use the "see guys I told you JG was a wolf" logic that would thus lead him to be like "omg i'm so super clear for being on JG".
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07-07-2009 , 02:22 PM
nobody will be clearing bitchi after you come up wolf
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07-07-2009 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by coordi
Does OTI's play weird anyone out or is it just me? Is this standard from him?
In my experience he is kinda like LL. Loud and kinda obnoxious as a villa, more restrained as a wolf.
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07-07-2009 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ZomgHax
Should I have a reason to not?
It feels like a replay of arrows, you say I'm a wolf, but you don't know why.

Look through my posts, if any have been inconsistant, didn't make sense, or have been less then truthful; then tell me. Look at my tone and tell me if I've been wolfy - be honest.
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07-07-2009 , 02:32 PM
JG, your explanation is understandable and sensible enough. The problem is that it's not at all an explanation of a "process of elimination". You're basically now saying something that's completely different than what you said before. And it also doesn't help that you're just repeating something aries said earlier.
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07-07-2009 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Garner
This is so disgusting...one or both of FCBL and WN is/are FPSing wolf(ves)

I know I'm going to be lynched now/soon so I really don't see myself trying too hard (especially with Wire game going on), but I'll leave y'all with my reads and will check back everyone once in a while to answer questions that anyone has for me.

If I had to choose a list of 6 to contain the last 5 wolves:
Zurvan
FCBL
WN
OTI
BB
Aries (although I think less likely to be Aries because I know I'm villa so if wolves were fpsing I think they're more likely to fps fully rather than partially)
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JG, could you explain how you arrive at one of FCBL or I being wolves based on the night kill?
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Garner
POE...who else could it be? You two aren't peeked and FCBL has been screaming at the top of his lungs about how he's seer-hunt cleared all ****ing game.

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Originally Posted by Jennifer Garner
I knew off the top of my head that Dudd nk "cleared" FCBL cause he was screaming about it for 100 posts ITT. If you remember, I wasn't really around for a few days cause I was in AC, so memories of Dudd's "peeks" aren't really fresh on my mind. That said, I thought that you may have been "cleared" for the same reason, thus I think that the FPS of the LL nk also seems to point to an fps of the Dudd nk. I don't know if what I'm posting is clear enough...if you'd like me to try to make my explanation more clear then I'll try.

That said, I'm definitely not taking OTI and Bitchi off the wolf list. Bitchi was on me for a while for absolutely no reason, even when I was gone, which is absurd considering I wasn't even around to defend myself. Killing Luckay would kinda make sense for him to do because it would enable him to use the "see guys I told you JG was a wolf" logic that would thus lead him to be like "omg i'm so super clear for being on JG".
(emphasis added)
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07-07-2009 , 02:36 PM
Also it took way too long to come up with this explanation, although I don't like putting too much weight into those kinds of arguments, given the vagaries of real life.
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07-07-2009 , 02:37 PM
1) I was eating lunch with a friend
2) It what I was trying to say the whole time...i just couldn't phrase it properly
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07-07-2009 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by BitchiBee
It feels like a replay of arrows, you say I'm a wolf, but you don't know why.

Look through my posts, if any have been inconsistant, didn't make sense, or have been less then truthful; then tell me. Look at my tone and tell me if I've been wolfy - be honest.
I wasn't in arrows afaik.

Your posts don't have to be inconsistant, not make sense, or be untruthful for you to be a wolf.

You had a fairly villagery start, and I think you felt comfortable that you were in the village good books, and stopped offering real analysis, then you started taking heat and have all but ceased posting. I mean, the only real content you've posted in the past few days that I remember is "Jennifer Garner"

By all means, if you feel you have done some things that should clear yourself, then bring them up. But as of right now, you are a wolf in my books.
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07-07-2009 , 02:38 PM
I'm still on Zurvan btw.
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07-07-2009 , 02:40 PM
it's really implausible to me that you could have meant "I'm connecting this kill to the dudd kill and drawing an inference based on my knowing my role" when you said "POE...who else could it be?"

But I guess it's possible, and that's why were lynching zurvan :P
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07-07-2009 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by AriesRam
In my experience he is kinda like LL. Loud and kinda obnoxious as a villa, more restrained as a wolf.
well he has 4 posts in the last 3 days....
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07-07-2009 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Garner
This is so disgusting...one or both of FCBL and WN is/are FPSing wolf(ves)

I know I'm going to be lynched now/soon so I really don't see myself trying too hard (especially with Wire game going on), but I'll leave y'all with my reads and will check back everyone once in a while to answer questions that anyone has for me.

If I had to choose a list of 6 to contain the last 5 wolves:
Zurvan
FCBL
WN
OTI
BB
Aries (although I think less likely to be Aries because I know I'm villa so if wolves were fpsing I think they're more likely to fps fully rather than partially)
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Garner
POE...who else could it be? You two aren't peeked and FCBL has been screaming at the top of his lungs about how he's seer-hunt cleared all ****ing game.
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Originally Posted by well named
it's really implausible to me that you could have meant "I'm connecting this kill to the dudd kill and drawing an inference based on my knowing my role" when you said "POE...who else could it be?"

But I guess it's possible, and that's why were lynching zurvan :P
I was trying to relay that it was the Dudd nk that was fps'ed and that's why he was screaming about being seer-hunt cleared.

Your being on the list is kinda a combination of me not being able to read you, you not doing anything particularly memorable, me thinking that you might have been "seer hunt cleared" at the same time as fcbl (which would be even more of a reason to fps an nk considering it clears 2 wolves for a long time), and as I said, POE.

I don't know what lynch order I'd like, but definitely start with Zurvan and then either OTI or BB followed by the other then FCBL. You're questioning of me hasn't been too outlandish, which I can respect, and even though you've misrepresented **** about me, I guess I'm more alright with FCBL as the fpsing wolf than you. That said, were you "cleared" by the Dudd nk? If not, who was other than FCBL
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07-07-2009 , 02:46 PM
ZOMG, that was a general comment. People like oti should remember, he was adamant that I was a wolf, but when prodded he had nothing to say. I kept asking people why I was a wolf, all they could respond, was "your a wolf" or some fairy tales of how I was "coaching" known wolves itt.

Look it is a flaw of my game that I'm litterally unable to clear myself - people who play alot with me will tell you that, and that my posting quality consistatntly declines dramatically past d2-3 in ANY role, just look at any of my games. I just cannot concentrate or focus, and the amount of information and posts overwhelm me.

And please I never really took heat, thats a misrepresentation.
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07-07-2009 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Jennifer Garner
I was trying to relay that it was the Dudd nk that was fps'ed and that's why he was screaming about being seer-hunt cleared.
The fact that it's specifcally FCBL and I lends some credibility to this, although you were obviously also saying that the luckay kill was FPS'd too, because otherwise you're a wolf :P (and you talk about Aries, which obviously has nothing to do with the dudd kill.)

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Your being on the list is kinda a combination of me not being able to read you, you not doing anything particularly memorable, me thinking that you might have been "seer hunt cleared" at the same time as fcbl (which would be even more of a reason to fps an nk considering it clears 2 wolves for a long time), and as I said, POE.
But then this bugs me because now you're asserting something different, yet again. You're not even sure the dudd kill has anything to do with me but the whole theory is based on the dudd kill? It's a little weird.

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I don't know what lynch order I'd like, but definitely start with Zurvan and then either OTI or BB followed by the other then FCBL. You're questioning of me hasn't been too outlandish, which I can respect, and even though you've misrepresented **** about me, I guess I'm more alright with FCBL as the fpsing wolf than you. That said, were you "cleared" by the Dudd nk? If not, who was other than FCBL
I believe dudd called myrrth a villager when myrrth hadn't posted yet. I replaced myrrth. I think it was OTI who first posited that this "cleared" FCBL and I. So yes you have the right person.

It's still pretty weird to ask this question and I still don't like the inconsistency in your story. You can call it misrepresentation all you like but from my perspective if you're a villager here what we have is a failure to communicate on your part, not a misrepresentation on mine :P

The only thing that makes me think there's a chance you're a villager is the fact that it's specifically FCBL and I you mention, and I guess that if a wolf was going to present this theory he might be more inclined to not do such a bad job of expressing it.
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