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lurking isn't really inherently wolfy, and there's also nothing really that wolfy about his votes last night or his explanation this morning. I guess I can kind of understand the logic behind zurvan's argument, but it also bothers me that it seems like the kind of case you arrive at reasoning backwards (start by assuming gtpitch=wolf and then interpret along those lines) than frontwards.

I saw something wolfy, I pointed it out, and why I thought it was wolfy. It all comes at once. His response - not villagery. I mean, dude has 9 posts, 3 of them today. There's not a lot to work on there, so I can hardly build up a stunning wall of deductive logic.

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07-03-2009 , 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by VayaConDios

Yeah. I won't be around most of today, but if I get back by EOD I'll announce who I'm going to NK

Don't

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07-03-2009 , 03:21 PM

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Also it seems like a distraction from a more straightforward idea about resolving the way the wagons went after the claim (i.e resolving icon)

What do we learn if Icon is a wolf? What if he's a villager?

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07-03-2009 , 03:23 PM

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if he's a villager not much (depending on vaya's role). If he's a wolf we learn a lot because of the chinese fire drill. Also he's wolfy, which is a reason to lynch him by itself.

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07-03-2009 , 03:23 PM

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And Gtpitch is a villager, get off of him please.

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07-03-2009 , 03:24 PM

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also this is a straw man, I'm not saying you can't read someone as wolf without a "stunning wall of deductive logic". I'm saying the thought process behind the read sounds wolfy to me, and gtpitch not so much.

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07-03-2009 , 03:28 PM

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What thought process? Seriously. The post was wolfy. I said why. It's (necessarily) based on little. You disagree, thus you think I'm wolfy for coming up with a flaky case. You're assuming I'm wrong and making up a case on a villager. Begging the question, imo.

Let's logical fallacy the whole thread; should be good fun.

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07-03-2009 , 03:29 PM

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You don't think defending a villager RIGHT AT nightfall is wolfy? Not even a teency bit? It was 9:30 on the nose, he had to know there was no way to change the wagon by that point, so it reeks of trying to get villager points

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07-03-2009 , 03:33 PM

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Let's logical fallacy the whole thread; should be good fun.

=D

fwiw when I say I find your thought process wolfy it's not really intended to be a logical argument at all. It's just a feel. And of course that's probably also true of your gtpitch read. I didn't criticise your case against gtpitch by saying it wasn't logical, I just said it felt wrong. I did say it was logically wrong to say my criticism is invalid for the reason you stated, i.e you mischaracterized my disagreement as being about the non-logicality when it wasn't.

misrepresentation also feels wolfy to me :P

But no I don't think defending a villager right at nightfall is wolfy at all really.

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07-03-2009 , 03:36 PM

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Didn't mean to say you were criticizing my case because I didn't have logic behind it. I was exaggerating for effect.

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But no I don't think defending a villager right at nightfall is wolfy at all really.

crazy talk

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07-03-2009 , 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by well named

You're right. I'm doing it again. I have a bad habit of auto assuming wolf and not trying to see it from the villager perspective.

Unvote.

I honestly do not know who to vote for. I will just keep trying. I'm going to be gone this eveing, but hope to be here before eod.

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07-03-2009 , 03:55 PM

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And Gtpitch is a villager, get off of him please.

you also lead the charge on aao

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07-03-2009 , 04:16 PM

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I'm off; should be back before eod

Lynch gt, lynch coordi.

Totally confused about BEG completely changing her game today. Need to think on it some more.

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07-03-2009 , 04:33 PM

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zurvan,

what about biggerboat?

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07-03-2009 , 04:36 PM

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I just finished my re read. On page 1, I decided that cordi is a villager. When I later found out this is his first game, it solidifies my read and if he is a wolf, I will drop my ego for one month. Thats how confident I am of my read.

Other villas

BEG
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Zurvan
Aries (because I came across a dudd post that I was like wtf and I had it quoted, then I seen aries pick up on it)
wellnamed

Other than that, if OTI or Digger ever turn up wolf, we have to lynch the other cuz they could be w/w.

I think dud is my strongest wolf lean but I'd prefer to kill VCD today cuz I don't want him viging another villager tonight.

VCD

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07-03-2009 , 04:37 PM

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zurvan,

what about biggerboat?

If he's a wolf, let him spew.

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07-03-2009 , 04:38 PM

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While I haven't played with him before, aao pulled this same random vote crap in his only previous completed long game, and he ended up villa in that. He did have the exact same discussion in that game about why voting random is a bad idea, so he should know by now that voting for a random afk player is a bad idea. Either he just doesn't care about being helpful for the village by sticking to this so clearly flawed voting style, or he's trying to remain consistent with his previous villa play as a wolf, neither of which is helpful for the village.

Vote aao.

This is a terrible reason to vote aao imo and I can see a wolf making up this type of lame excuse to vote for him. aka I'm doing this to teach him a lesson, that he should have learnt by now.

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07-03-2009 , 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckayLuck

We're going to end up lynching a villager get lynched today almost certainly. If we get a wolf lynched it's because there seems to be low activity in the thread?

shroop?

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07-03-2009 , 04:47 PM

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i do not like the current wagons fwiw

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07-03-2009 , 04:55 PM

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Ok well I think I like

MCavoy

better than Dusting

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07-03-2009 , 04:58 PM

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Hi guys, only read up to the nightkills.
I just wanted to say that this day one was possibly the worst I have ever seen. That is all.

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07-03-2009 , 04:59 PM

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Luckay,

Just trust me and vote for bigger

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07-03-2009 , 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by coordi

you also lead the charge on aao

and?

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07-03-2009 , 05:05 PM

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This is a terrible reason to vote aao imo and I can see a wolf making up this type of lame excuse to vote for him. aka I'm doing this to teach him a lesson, that he should have learnt by now.

Should I just claim tone like everyone else on day one, that's pretty unimpeachable? It wasn't that he needed to be taught a lesson, but that he had already had this discussion multiple times and should by this point have changed his day one game unless he was trying to remain consistent with his previous villa play. Conversely, if he really was villa, voting him off can't be that big a mistake because he wouldn't be that helpful to the village anyways.

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07-03-2009 , 05:27 PM

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For the record before I delete him off my spreadsheet:

GT1T repeated that he thought Jennifer Garner, McAvoy, and VayaConDios were wolves about three times.

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